[Dave514]

I expect it went something like this.

You're gonna do it this way.
No I'm not.
If you don't, you're fired.
Ok, up yours.

The general feeling was that he was fired because he would rather quit than do it the way they wanted.

That's not exactly "getting fired" like they make it sound.

 

[prism]

ok, thanks.


I will assume it was not directly discussed or explained during an episode.

 

[ScaryWoody]

From Cody's FaceBook page

Hi Campers,
Taking the high road does not involve letting disingenuous people dump on you. I have heard that Discovery Communications and Original Media (the production company) tried their best to defame me on last night’s program, even dredging back into season three. Like herpes, just when one thinks the last boil is gone, another one appears. A cease and desist letter for defamation was sent to both companies by my attorney weeks ago. It seems this was ignored. For executives to purposely pick and edit footage out of context at my and the viewers expense, all the while knowing the real back story, is without conscience. Once again, these actions are uncalled for and have forced my hand to defend my professional reputation.

What Dual Survival fans don’t know is that last night’s “behind the scenes” episode was Discovery’s “Plan B” at attempting to explain why I am no longer on the show. “Plan A,” which I refused to participate in, is far more interesting, informative and damning to those involved.

On a positive note, I am overwhelmed by the support I have received from fans. Thousands of you have sent notes of well wishing in letters, emails, voice mails, facebook, and on my blog. Many of you expressed sadness at my parting, but were grateful for the integrity. One couple who had used my role on the show to teach their children outdoor skills is now using my termination as a teaching point to remind their kids to be true to themselves regardless of the apparent cost. Brilliant! We can all lose jobs, we can all lose friends, but if we lose our integrity and honor, we all lose. I appreciate your supporting qualities that cannot be bought.

Remember, the Light never fails!

Stay true, Cody

 

[volsbear]

I don't like either one of them. Cody clearly knows some stuff, but left me scratching my head on more than one occasion. Joe is just a buffoon.

I do like Les Stroud though.

 

[wingryder]

Watching a new episode of Dual Survival. The new guy is seems pretty competent in primative living skills, hunting, shelter construction, etc... not much personality though. Its the first episode for him so, maybe he will grow on me.

 

[bluelightbandit]

I like all of the survival shows. Not going to debate who is better than who but Naked and Afraid is as real as it gets, period.

 

[Deputydave]

Last night I watched the second episode with Matt Graham. So far, between what I've seen of him from 'Dude, You're Screwed' and these two episodes of DS I'm impressed. He's clearly very skilled in making things with primitive methods i.e. raft, shelter, raised bed etc. His primitive fire-making is impressive, perhaps on par with Cody. He is a skilled hunter and gatherer as well. Really haven't seen a negative. He'd be comfortable whether it was two days or two months due to his skill set.

Joe on the other hand, well the more I see the less impressed I become. He's clearly hamming it up for the camera and I get the feeling he's intimidated by Matt. And he's an adrenaline junkie that doesn't make smart decisions sometimes. For example;

• I've already talked about the desert 'cow hide' scene. Despite one of the countries leading desert survivalists telling him it wasn't a sound idea...he goes ahead and peels the hide off the dead cow....and then does NOTHING with it.
• Matt nailed the peccary (pig) with his attlatal (sp). It isn't going anywhere as its pretty much trapped in the water and done from the wound. Yet Joe has to jump in and try to steal the spot light. And then goes on about how dangerous the animal is and he can't turn his back on it. Give me a break. The thing was half drowned and on it's way out. Joe simply had flashback to the Hawaii pig episode that he hammed up.
• Last night they crawl up the roots to get out of the flooded sink hole. Okay, good job. Then Joe sees a rip in the bag and freaks out to the point he goes back down to look for the glass lens. Are you frigging kidding me? Like he's seriously going to find two small pieces of glass in a pool of water that was larger and deeper than an olympic pool! And he barely made it back up the second time. All the while Matt's telling him that fire isn't an issue and he can get it going just fine...which he did. Joe just isnt' making sound survival decisions.

At this point the only reason I'm watching is because of Matt. Discovery could drop Joe and I wouldn't be upset in the least. Replace him with someone that has some sense like Mykel Hawke (which would have been a far better choice in S3).

 

[20South]

I like Matt. DD is spot on about Joe. I think he is/was reaching to stay relevant to the show - and exert himself as Alpha. He doesn't annoy me yet, but I would already like to see Matt have his own show.

 

[wingryder]

Last night I watched the second episode with Matt Graham. So far, between what I've seen of him from 'Dude, You're Screwed' and these two episodes of DS I'm impressed. He's clearly very skilled in making things with primitive methods i.e. raft, shelter, raised bed etc. His primitive fire-making is impressive, perhaps on par with Cody. He is a skilled hunter and gatherer as well. Really haven't seen a negative. He'd be comfortable whether it was two days or two months due to his skill set.

Joe on the other hand, well the more I see the less impressed I become. He's clearly hamming it up for the camera and I get the feeling he's intimidated by Matt. And he's an adrenaline junkie that doesn't make smart decisions sometimes. For example;

...

At this point the only reason I'm watching is because of Matt. Discovery could drop Joe and I wouldn't be upset in the least. Replace him with someone that has some sense like Mykel Hawke (which would have been a far better choice in S3).

Agree on all points! Matt is seems to be a no nonsense Abo dude. Cody has a lot of hangups about his shoes and the whole hunting thing. This is almost easy for Matt. Like you said, he could easily set up and stay put for weeks. I don't know how he will handle some of the more extreme environments but they definitely made a good choice going with him.

Also Joe Teti is a baffoon. I have seen some of his Youtube vids and he's a bit of a tacticool hothead and not a very eloquent speaker either. I don't think he could do a survival show alone. I wish they could bring back Dave, but Dave has moved on. He is much less "military guy" and far more about Self reliance skills now.

I can see Matt "ruining" this show with his can-do attitude. The producers are trying to emphasise drama and confrontation. Every episode is a "we barely got out alive" episode. So the fact that Matt's MO is to stay put, build a GOOD shelter, find resources, get calories up THEN work on getting rescued, with little problem, is going to make the producers have to work at stoking some "drama" into the show.

EDIT: After watching a "behind the scenes" interview with Matt and the producers of Dude You're Screwed, it seems that they have a lot of respect for Matt. He seems to bond with the crew pretty well. It will be interesting to see where this show goes from here. Joe is almost an unnecessary element on the show at this point... just there to stir up some drama, I guess.

I will keep watching DS. I wish Cody well, he is pretty amazing. I have read a couple of his books, he's a good writer and I confident that he will continue to thrive in the self-reliant marketplace. I wish he would jump into Youtube.

 

[kirgi08]

Punt.'08.

 

[Mountainview]

I just watched the behind the scenes clip on Youtube and don't understand why Joe was freaking out. Yes, Cody should have dressed better, but they had 5 or 6 people and a snowmobile there. If something happened to Cody I doubt they would sit and watch while he died. He wouldn't have been the guy carrying him out.

 

[wingryder]

I just watched the behind the scenes clip on Youtube and don't understand why Joe was freaking out. Yes, Cody should have dressed better, but they had 5 or 6 people and a snowmobile there. If something happened to Cody I doubt they would sit and watch while he died. He wouldn't have been the guy carrying him out.

Yea, and it's not like wardrobe is something new! Cody has been dressed like that for 3 seasons. It didn't look or feel like staged drama either, Joe seemed really pissed.

 

[Deputydave]

I think it was exactly that, staged drama on Joe's part. Cody has been dressing that way for around 25 years. And in every cold weather episode he dressed the same. So it wasn't something new or out of the ordinary for him. Toss in the fact that he actually teaches cold weather survival...and Joe doesn't and you have a pretty good recipe for something that is a non-issue being blown into an issue due to someone's agenda. I really think someone wanted Cody gone and needed a reason. This just happened to be it. Looking at the episode and the uncut stuff, was Cody in any sort of distress? Nope. Was he able to keep moving? Yep. Did Joe all of a sudden decide on a crappy shelter location that wasn't necessary? Yep. Was Joe's sudden 'concern' for Cody pure drama-queen crap? Yep. And finally is Matt running circles around Joe in terms of skill set, knowledge and common sense? Yep.

So it's all working out fine. :supergrin:

 

[Deputydave]

One last comment to toss out there; I really get the feeling that in any of these DS situations that Cody or Matt or even Dave would be fine if it turned long term. In otherwords, they can live of the land and make the most of where they find themselves at. In fact, Matt was on the island for three weeks living of the land before Joe got there (in the first episode with Matt). I get the feeling that you'd find Joe in the fetal position...or the legs up cockroach position in the same situation. He just doesn't have the same level of skill set.

 

[Aceman]

I like what I have seen of matt.

Joe, I'm enjoying more and more. As comedy relief….

 

[Lone Kimono]

I will say I'm very curious as to the layers and type of clothing Cody was wearing with his 3 pairs of wool socks and shorts. Makes me feel like the kid from Christmas Story planning my cold weather preps.

 

[Dave514]

Matt makes it look like SurThrival. Joe makes it look like luck.


Oh, btw, hand catching a wild turkey.......only in TV land.

 

[20South]

...I get the feeling that you'd find Joe in the fetal position...or the legs up cockroach position in the same situation. He just doesn't have the same level of skill set.

I dont agree with this. He was SF trained and those guys know their fieldcraft. He may be over the top gung-ho and an adrenaline junkie, but what would you expect from someone who did what he did for a living. No way he couldn't survive. His techniques may be a little less elegant, but I'd have no problem being dropped off in a forest (or maybe a desert is more relevant) and needing to get home with him (or any of the others).

 

[Deputydave]

I dont agree with this. He was SF trained and those guys know their fieldcraft. He may be over the top gung-ho and an adrenaline junkie, but what would you expect from someone who did what he did for a living. No way he couldn't survive. His techniques may be a little less elegant, but I'd have no problem being dropped off in a forest (or maybe a desert is more relevant) and needing to get home with him (or any of the others).

I can't agree with your assessment. Yes, SF is impressive...in some areas. But I've been in the military and I've commanded a SOG team with members of the other branches. There is quite a bit of Hollywood hype in some areas. Survival is one of them in the venue(s) we're discussing here. And taking a class in the military (or L.E.) is quite a bit different than actually using that class material extensively i.e. dirt time. Joe prior to the show didn't have much dirt time in regards to 'survival'. Yeah, he's taken classes but in an interview he even admitted his skill set didn't prepare him for what was required in the venue of this show. Build a shelter? Yes. Catch an animal in a trap? Yes. Build a primitive fire in any way? Haven't seen him do it yet. He's built a fire with technology i.e. battery or chemical. I suspect if he didn't have either he'd be lost. I'm not saying he's totally inept but look at his track record. As soon as Joe meet Matt on the island for example he said the island didn't have any resources and they needed to get to a different island. But Matt had already been on the island three weeks and was quite content to go longer. And Matt didn't have the camera crew handy with him. Could Joe have lasted on the island for three weeks with no support? Maybe, but I really don't have a good feeling about it.

Got to be honest, I'm just not impressed with his skill set at all. If I need an adrenaline junkie drama queen he's on speed dial. If I'm in a true survival situation, well of all the current experts on TV he'd be my last choice. And yes, that means he comes in behind Ruth Hawke as well. I'm impressed with what she's learned and she's demonstrated it on various shows and YT vids. And she's quite a bit more rational in her thinking. YMMV

 

[20South]

I can't agree with your assessment. Yes, SF is impressive...in some areas. But I've been in the military and I've commanded a SOG team with members of the other branches. There is quite a bit of Hollywood hype in some areas. Survival is one of them in the venue(s) we're discussing here. And taking a class in the military (or L.E.) is quite a bit different than actually using that class material extensively i.e. dirt time. Joe prior to the show didn't have much dirt time in regards to 'survival'. Yeah, he's taken classes but in an interview he even admitted his skill set didn't prepare him for what was required in the venue of this show. Build a shelter? Yes. Catch an animal in a trap? Yes. Build a primitive fire in any way? Haven't seen him do it yet. He's built a fire with technology i.e. battery or chemical. I suspect if he didn't have either he'd be lost. I'm not saying he's totally inept but look at his track record. As soon as Joe meet Matt on the island for example he said the island didn't have any resources and they needed to get to a different island. But Matt had already been on the island three weeks and was quite content to go longer. And Matt didn't have the camera crew handy with him. Could Joe have lasted on the island for three weeks with no support? Maybe, but I really don't have a good feeling about it.

Got to be honest, I'm just not impressed with his skill set at all. If I need an adrenaline junkie drama queen he's on speed dial. If I'm in a true survival situation, well of all the current experts on TV he'd be my last choice. And yes, that means he comes in behind Ruth Hawke as well. I'm impressed with what she's learned and she's demonstrated it on various shows and YT vids. And she's quite a bit more rational in her thinking. YMMV

Fair enough. Especially about the island hopping. However, I am pretty sure Ruth would be at the top of my list. :tongueout: