After a lot of deliberation, about three years ago I bought a Cabot 1911; the Gentleman's Carry. From making the decision to delivery-about a week. Now, you can expect to wait about a year. Possibly find one on the Web, but general delivery time for their guns is about a year. And they start at about $4,000. What do you get for this amount of money? Obviously, a beautiful, high quality gun. And a shooter. Mine is an EDC gun with several thousand rounds down range. And customer service that is tops in the industry, in my opinion. And here's the story. I called Cabot about 3 years ago and Rob answered the phone (owner and CEO). Talked to him for about a half hour about the gun I wanted and his ideas. Last week, and several years after selling out a year ahead of time some of the most beautiful and top quality guns in the business, I called Cabot about a question, and Rob answered the phone. Again, we talked in detail about my question concerning cuts for a Red Dot sight, and he was in no hurry to hang up or get on with other business that I'm sure he had to deal with. Try calling Baer, Wilson or Ed Brown and try getting them to come to the phone, let alone that they would answer their own phone. And I read about how customer service is non existent for Glock Store and other such businesses that have been incredibly busy since the "gun rush". So I write this for those that want to knock as they like to say, "over priced guns", safe queens and those that choose to buy them. Before knocking a gun, shoot it. And I will quote from a discussion I had with Jeff Cooper years ago, "it's only too expensive if you don't have it to spend". So in closing, in the case of Cabot, their success has not gone to their head (Rob's), and they are still there to serve those that are interested in purchasing their gun, or have already done so. Rare in this day and age.
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I have been intrigued by Cabot. They certainly are very well made. I am in their backyard, and that’s another reason I might buy one.
Quality costs. As long as the product delivers, I've never had a problem with high prices - you get what you pay for, and there aren't many bargains anymore.
Congrats on your purchase. Great to see a company that cares about their products and customers. While many say it's outdated, nothing feels, shoots and looks as good as a 1911. I'm just a casual gun guy so I don't have any interest in purchasing something like a Cabot but I certainly appreciate the beauty and craftsmanship of such a fine piece.
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Yes, you definitely get what you pay for with them. I’ve got a lot of high end 1911’s. I don’t own a Cabot yet.
The Cabot isn't just a great looking pistol, but really groups good. This from 5 yards, offhand.
One hole drill. Start with a pencil dot and from a distance of 5 yards (3 yards if no one can see the dot at 5 yards) and fire 5 rounds into the dot creating one hole. Used this a lot when I taught law enforcement and maybe only 2 or 3 could satisfactorily do it. Easier with a .45 acp because obviously it creates a bigger hole and easier to connect each shot. Harder with a 9mm but with practice and a lot of concentration can get consistent results. Of all the drills I do and had them do, this one probably shows up weaknesses the most. Miss one shot and you have blown the exercise. ,
Yes, I love when people want to talk trash about high end 1911s, and want to compare it to their Taurus, Rock Island, Armscor, etc guns.... You never understand until you own one....
VERY nice!
VERY nice!
I like the pistol. I also like the combination of a BBQ/EDC gun. When considered from that perspective, you really got your money's worth! Congratulations on your newest acquisition.
When I went back and looked at the picture of my target on the one hole drill, I had obviously fired more than 5 shots. I was on a roll and just kept firing more rounds. Once you get a pretty big hold the drill becomes pretty easy. 5 rounds is ideal, and the first three tell the story. I would guess that with a red dot sight, this drill would become infinitely easier although I haven't tried it with the one pistol that I have the Trijicon RMR-Type 2 sight mounted. Then maybe 7 yards left handed 
A 1911 is like a girlfriend.
Sure the ugly ones can make a sandwich or do the deed just like the pretty ones but which one do you want to show your friends?
Nice 1911
Sure the ugly ones can make a sandwich or do the deed just like the pretty ones but which one do you want to show your friends?
Nice 1911
But you can buy 6-7 Glocks for that price. And if one shoot poorly, just toss it and grab the next one. . .
I'd love to get a nicer 1911. My definition of nicer would be ~$1600 as if I spent more than that and my wife found out, the funeral would be scheduled for the following day and the 1911 would be in a police evidence locker. . .
Nice gun! I really like the bob-tailed 1911s!!
I’ve got several types and brands of pistols including 1911’s. I don’t really see them as better just different. If you have the dough and want a high end 1911–go for it! You can get a very nice Dan Wesson for well under $2k and they are hell of a nice firearm….IMO.
An EDC 1911 is a reliable but low-cost roscoe you won't lose sleep over when it's confiscated by the local Gendarmes after you've had to use it - 'in the gravest extreme' - to put a street thug facedown on the concrete.
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Maybe you'll get it back ... one day. Or maybe you won't. But you can be sure it'll get banged around and played with, and maybe even dropped several times, by the otherwise bored cops who man the property lock-up where your gun's been tagged and stored. Either way, you likely won't miss it, especially if you have other suitable EDC pistols.
A $4K custom bling-blaster for street carry? Nope. Too much coin to risk.
Sure, it might shoot lights out while looking hotter than the hottest NFL cheer gal, but its only real-world (practical) use is as a weekend range toy for rich guys.
Maybe you'll get it back ... one day. Or maybe you won't. But you can be sure it'll get banged around and played with, and maybe even dropped several times, by the otherwise bored cops who man the property lock-up where your gun's been tagged and stored. Either way, you likely won't miss it, especially if you have other suitable EDC pistols.
A $4K custom bling-blaster for street carry? Nope. Too much coin to risk.
Sure, it might shoot lights out while looking hotter than the hottest NFL cheer gal, but its only real-world (practical) use is as a weekend range toy for rich guys.
Price is relative to the owner. The last new vehicle any of us bought depreciated more than 4K the second we drove it off the lot. Not knowing anything about the OP, he could be driving a $200,000 car and wearing a $20k watch. In that regard a $4,000 gun is pretty modest. Or it could be a huge investment, but one he made on his own life. Either way, the notion of not carrying an expensive carry gun because it may get dinged up or confiscated is a personal choice.
It's a beautiful pistol, to be sure, but I have to wonder what separates it from , say, a nice Wilson or a Baer besides $1,000 - $1,500 or so....
Not a lot, really. I have several Wilson's and a Nighthawk. The Cabot is heavier and recoils somewhat less which is better for repeat shots. While the other pistols are tight, the Cabot is much tighter. Is it worth the extra thousand? Only if you want a Cabot, which I did and enjoy shooting, as I also enjoy shooting my ZEV and Glock 19. I have several guns of various price ranges, and enjoy each of them in their own way. Have a SUV and also a high performance convertible. Enjoy driving both for different reasons. Why do people buy a RR over a nice Lexus or Mercedes? Really hard to explain other than some would consider it a waste of money and others would understand. There's a 5 year wait for a 1911 by Stan Chen, for those on his waiting list. He's really not taking any new orders now and there is no set price, for each gun is custom made but can go as high as $10,000 or more. And I've never seen any for sale on a public web site. So to answer your early question, you really can't give a perfect answer, only that some people are willing to pay whatever the market is for the gun they want, and wait 5 years after a thousand dollar down payment.
I love your style and while I could afford it, I lucked into my simple Ruger SR1911 10mm, learned about trigger jobs and ended up producing the nicest 2.75# trigger with minimal take-up and overtravel you would want to shoot. If I would just pay to get the front strap checkered I would bet if you closed your eyes and fired a few rounds, it would be difficult to determine it from most anything available at any price. So in that regard I feel completely blessed and grateful to own it!
Interesting conversations, which have no end. All personal preference or available funds. I particularly liked the comment by Shipwreck "until you own one you won't understand". Sorta like what Louie Armstrong said when someone asked him to explain Jazz and he said something to the effect of if he had to explain it they wouldn't understand. And then there was the comment about purchasing a high end pistol (or even shotgun, rifle, etc) being sensible. The implication being if that person doesn't think it's sensible, then it's not sensible. Maybe not to them, but by no stretch to everyone else. I've done a lot of things that others thought weren't sensible, and maybe they weren't. But to me, at the time they made sense. I remember when I dropped out of college and joined the Marine Corps. My parents and every relative I had thought it was an irresponsible, senseless act. But they were first in line to say how proud they were when I got out of Boot Camp and certainly when I graduated from college, medical school, Residency training and established my surgical practice. Those were the ones that said my life was over when I enlisted in the Marines and my so called brilliant future was washed up. All pretty subjective, huh? So I'll end by saying that I like nice things, but that takes nothing away from my Ruger Single Six .22 I got when I was 14 and my Hi Standard Sport King .22 my folks got me on by 12th birthday. Still have those guns, and would not sell them due to sentimental value. So my Cabot, Wilson's and NightHawk, like them too. And might even get a Stan Chen 1911 but unfortunately too many people think owning a high priced, super quality gun makes sense to them. He is 5 years behind on orders, and not taking any new ones. And maybe taking Kali 2-3 times a week with all the cuts, bumps and bruises isn't sensible, but I enjoy it, so will keep it up.
I’m a Colt guy so unless Colt start churning out primo factory custom jobs equal to Wilson, Cabot, etc., I won’t be buying a big dollar 1911.
However for the life of me, I will never understand the attitude of “it’s too nice/expensive to use”, or “it’s sweet but is it $xxxxxxxx better than XYZ?”
If you gotta ask then you either can’t afford it or can’t justify it.
Once again, if it’s not a Colt then I don’t want it but if I were to want a $6000-10,000 Cabot - I’d not only shoot the hell out of it but if it were a CCW piece or OW piece, you bet your ass I’ll be carrying it. If it got confiscated by the cops after a shoot? Then I’ll put my lawyers on the job to fight to get it back.
If I’m not scared of taking a $16K watch scuba diving, banging it up and risk losing it then I ain’t scared of carrying a mere $6K pistol. When I had my $120K M6, that mutha didn’t sit in the garage and only driven slowly around the block twice a year.
You can’t take your money with you when you die.
However for the life of me, I will never understand the attitude of “it’s too nice/expensive to use”, or “it’s sweet but is it $xxxxxxxx better than XYZ?”
If you gotta ask then you either can’t afford it or can’t justify it.
Once again, if it’s not a Colt then I don’t want it but if I were to want a $6000-10,000 Cabot - I’d not only shoot the hell out of it but if it were a CCW piece or OW piece, you bet your ass I’ll be carrying it. If it got confiscated by the cops after a shoot? Then I’ll put my lawyers on the job to fight to get it back.
If I’m not scared of taking a $16K watch scuba diving, banging it up and risk losing it then I ain’t scared of carrying a mere $6K pistol. When I had my $120K M6, that mutha didn’t sit in the garage and only driven slowly around the block twice a year.
You can’t take your money with you when you die.
bac1023
Only owning one 1911 and never even racking the slide on something special like the Cabot I have no idea ALL of the things that separate them. I assume differences are in minimal tolerances, smooth slide racking, high polish finish if applicable. If you could make a list for me to appreciate the 4-6X price difference I would love to be educated.
Now the point I was trying to make is ALL of the stuff I listed above would mean next to nothing if the two pistols had a trigger as nice as mine in the Ruger when being fired, not stroked and manipulated at waist level. From what I have read there are few out of the box 1911's at $2K or over that come with a 2 3/4# breaks like glass trigger and it is that along with the quality of the sights and of course accuracy that is what pistols are made for, shooting right?
I have entertained the idea of looking at a Dan Wesson upgrade but suspect it comes with a 3 1/2# trigger. My other firearms like my Volquartsen Scorpion, Canjar set trigger Ruger 77, CZ 527 set trigger, Kimber 82G w/trigger job and 4 Olympic quality pellet rifles and pistols all have spectacular triggers that IMHO are one of the foundations for accuracy. Where my Ruger is at right now is probably near the top of the heap in 1911 triggers. Yes its too light to be much beyond a range toy, hunting or maybe even a woods carry pistol but I do have a nice Glock 20SF with lots of add ons to apply to combat ready applications.
Just read up on the Cabot triggers and they are set at 3.5-4#'s. I would not even entertain messing with its trigger but on my $800 Ruger I feel fine making the attempt to have it fit into my trigger snob arsenal! The other big negative is I don't think Cabot makes one in 10mm, you know the caliber with more energy at 100 yards than the .45 has at the muzzle. Love the ability to go from light target to 750 ft lbs of energy with a wide meplat bullet that could penetrate 5' or more.
Only owning one 1911 and never even racking the slide on something special like the Cabot I have no idea ALL of the things that separate them. I assume differences are in minimal tolerances, smooth slide racking, high polish finish if applicable. If you could make a list for me to appreciate the 4-6X price difference I would love to be educated.
Now the point I was trying to make is ALL of the stuff I listed above would mean next to nothing if the two pistols had a trigger as nice as mine in the Ruger when being fired, not stroked and manipulated at waist level. From what I have read there are few out of the box 1911's at $2K or over that come with a 2 3/4# breaks like glass trigger and it is that along with the quality of the sights and of course accuracy that is what pistols are made for, shooting right?
I have entertained the idea of looking at a Dan Wesson upgrade but suspect it comes with a 3 1/2# trigger. My other firearms like my Volquartsen Scorpion, Canjar set trigger Ruger 77, CZ 527 set trigger, Kimber 82G w/trigger job and 4 Olympic quality pellet rifles and pistols all have spectacular triggers that IMHO are one of the foundations for accuracy. Where my Ruger is at right now is probably near the top of the heap in 1911 triggers. Yes its too light to be much beyond a range toy, hunting or maybe even a woods carry pistol but I do have a nice Glock 20SF with lots of add ons to apply to combat ready applications.
Just read up on the Cabot triggers and they are set at 3.5-4#'s. I would not even entertain messing with its trigger but on my $800 Ruger I feel fine making the attempt to have it fit into my trigger snob arsenal! The other big negative is I don't think Cabot makes one in 10mm, you know the caliber with more energy at 100 yards than the .45 has at the muzzle. Love the ability to go from light target to 750 ft lbs of energy with a wide meplat bullet that could penetrate 5' or more.
While I don't have first hand experience with high end 1911's I did start acquiring back in the 60's where good to excellent triggers were the norm not the exception like today. I too appreciate quality owning a .22 pistol that sells for $1800, a single shot .22 at $800 and 4 pellet guns worth over $1K each and a long history of owning high quality pieces. So most important to me is a good trigger with minimal backlash that I have experienced from 8 ounces to 3 pounds.
1. Like I said at waist level its easy to experience the difference between a $500-5K 1911. Once you chamber a round and bring the pistol up, if the sights, grips and trigger pulls are identical the very nature of a 1911 being kind of standardized, all of the positive differences like how tight it is and how nice the finish turns out mean absolutely NOTHING! Again, close your eyes, pull the trigger and if a 2 3/4# trigger does not win the day over a 3 1/2# trigger you don't have enough expertise to judge the issue.
2. The Ruger upper/lower is CNC machined from a solid block of S.S. not forged/injected/MIM. Yes, internals might be MIM but if you can get a perfect trigger out of them, I certainly don't mind.
3. Ruger will always take care of anything so durability is a non-issue and accuracy due to the bull barrel design is excellent. How many of the millions of 1911's in use have been WORN OUT by the users, too few to mention so this is also a non-issue. When my Ruger was new it locked back the slide on round 5 and that is the only hiccup in many hundreds of rounds, great reliability.
4. The Cabot is probably worth every penny it costs and pride of ownership certainly feels good, but the ability to feel blessed and grateful to own a lesser example is something that cannot be bought!
1. Like I said at waist level its easy to experience the difference between a $500-5K 1911. Once you chamber a round and bring the pistol up, if the sights, grips and trigger pulls are identical the very nature of a 1911 being kind of standardized, all of the positive differences like how tight it is and how nice the finish turns out mean absolutely NOTHING! Again, close your eyes, pull the trigger and if a 2 3/4# trigger does not win the day over a 3 1/2# trigger you don't have enough expertise to judge the issue.
2. The Ruger upper/lower is CNC machined from a solid block of S.S. not forged/injected/MIM. Yes, internals might be MIM but if you can get a perfect trigger out of them, I certainly don't mind.
3. Ruger will always take care of anything so durability is a non-issue and accuracy due to the bull barrel design is excellent. How many of the millions of 1911's in use have been WORN OUT by the users, too few to mention so this is also a non-issue. When my Ruger was new it locked back the slide on round 5 and that is the only hiccup in many hundreds of rounds, great reliability.
4. The Cabot is probably worth every penny it costs and pride of ownership certainly feels good, but the ability to feel blessed and grateful to own a lesser example is something that cannot be bought!
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