I have a dozen Glocks ranging in age from 1 month to 26 years. They all seem to work fine with the extractors Glock put in them.

 

Glock extractors have a lot of purchase on the cartridge rim and I don't know it they're MIM or forged but it doesn't really matter because the heat treatment and the metallurgy on them is good and they never wear out.

This is why you can fire a shorter 40 S&W cartridge in a Glock 20 with 100 percent reliability and it also helps that both the 40 S&W and the 10mm have identical rim sizes and extractor groove dimensions. And even if a 10mm cartridge is out of spec, then it isn't headspacing on the case mouth but It's headspacing on the spring loaded extractor claw.

The only reason why Glock tell you not to fire 40 S&W in a G20 is that they know that many Glock owners are lazy bums who NEVER clean their guns and that can cause malfunctions if carbon is allowed to build up in the 10mm chamber.

 

The stock extractors work fine in my Glocks. My G17gen3 worked better with the 30274 ejector, however.

The Apex extractor for a gen3 Glock did not work well in my G17gen3 or G19gen3. The extractor would intermittently pull the spent casing above the ejector, causing a failure to eject. This resulted in a horizontal stovepipe with the next round stripped off the mag, blocked by the FTE casing, like a double-feed.

 

Never had a reason to consider an aftermarket extractor. All my Glock pistols have the OEM part.

 

OEM here. But the instant someone starts making extractors from Ytterbium or Praseodymium I will get them for all my Glocks.

 

OP,what type of malfunctions are your oem extractor causing?

 

Occasional BTF/erratic ejection.

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I've never had an extractor problem in any Glock I've owned over the years. All remain in OEM form, too.

Now...my 1911's are a different story. They account for more brass-to-the-head than I care to admit, however, I'm hopelessly smitten with them and eventually get each one running well.

 

Usually, extractor issues in a 1911 can be fixed with just a couple minutes of examining the slide and extractor strength with a snap cap then a little bending. In most cases they are easy to fix at no cost other than time. This is all assuming your 1911's aren't from S&W, Sig, or the oddball Kimbers where they decided an external extractor was a good idea for whatever reason I will never be able to figure out.

 

Recently purchased two Gen 3 19s. One is VFR prefix, test fire date 06/25/13 and the other XXF 07/30/14. The latter gave brass to the top of my head. Not unbearable but was consistent. The VFR has had no ejection issues. Since I shoot the XXF more I swapped extractors and the problem is solved in this pistol. Perhaps order another extractor from Glock and hope for the best.

 

Swapping extractors, came to mind, but it's hard to find a older gen 3 9mm, that you could swap parts with. Iv read and seen videos, on the apex and it looks pretty legit. $60 though

 

Whatever extractor that the weapon had/has was what is used. Anywhere from 10k to 27k rounds per year.

 

I have a Gen 4 G19 that gave me consistent brass to face. With factory 115's and 124's and my 125gr handloads. My girlfriends Gen 4 G19 did the same. The only thing that stopped that was an Apex extractor in each one. Now we never get brass to face with any loads

 

Great news. Yeah, Iv read a lot about the apex. Seems like a quality piece. Huge upgrade from the "dipped" extractor and even the orginal ones

 

I do get some brass to the face. Doesnt bug me enough to pay money and getanother

 

I own four Glocks and I have never experienced anything that would make me consider changing the extractors in any of them.

Speaking of extractors however , I was detail stripping the slide on my brand new 17 gen 4 last night, and I noticed that the finish in the newer extractors are different than my other glocks. By "finish" , I mean the surface of the extractor itself has a rough texture in comparison to my older glocks.

By "older " , I have a 19, and 21 made in 2013, and a 30 made in 1997. My new 17 was made this year.

 

My 2014 Gen 3 G19 is giving me BTF. I'm trying the 30274 ejector and an H.R.E.D. before trying extractors. If it ever stops raining.

 

It's NOT the ejector but the extractor. The 30247 ejector was merely a bandaid, to the real problem. I have a older gen 3 with the 336 ejector and extractor and maybe will get 1 towards my chest every 200 rounds

 

Which model? What ammo? I've been running Glocks since 92, shoot competition every weekend with plenty of other guys that run Glocks, and have never witnessed issues with etraction/ejection that were not either ammo related or operator induced.

 

I wonder when Bren will be along to tell the OP his grip sucks.

 

My early gen 4 19 caused btf. Put the Apex extractor in along with the recommended bearing change. Life is good, the brass colored hole in my forehead is fully healed. Almost.

 

It's not the gun it's your grip.... Haha

 

Glock barrels are cold hammer forged, not drilled and button rifled.

 

Glock barrels are cold hammer forged, not drilled and button rilfed.

That has not always been the case. On some G17 (serials BB to FE) and some G19 (serials DN to DZ) chambers were drilled out of line. Now, however, chambers are hammered in as part of hammer forging the barrel.

 

Glock extractor cast vs mim. Cast on top, mim on bottom. Cast is from a 2005 Glock, mim is current offering.

 

Glock extractor cast vs mim. Cast on top, mim on bottom. Cast is from a 2005 Glock, mim is current offering.

Great pictures. Wouldn't happen to be wanting to sell that would you ? Lol

 

I only get BTF like 1 in every 500rds, BUT this may sound weird, but the EXTRACTOR doesn't seem to stick out as far as it used to with a round in the chamber--it's MUCH harder to just feel for it now. Since I like having extra parts, I'm thinking of buying the APEX just because I hear it's non-MIM (not that I'm a metallurgist and/or know if it matters) and I'm hoping it sticks out a bit more. Plus most people seem to like it.
The one with the tritium vial (ICSI) probably sticks out pretty far, but I think it's only available for the .40 cal--if they're still even selling it.

 

Hmm - my brand new gen4 G19 has a claw more like the top one, with the right angle where the cartridge rim fits. Don't know if it's MIM or not and haven't fired it enough to say how well it works, but no problems through 400 rounds.

edit: I first wrote bottom picture when I meant top - it's right now.

 

Think Ima go with the Apex. Has a GREAT track record, and heck you can't get much better that machined stainless billet.

 

On both my girlfriends G19 and mine, ejection goes 4:00 o'clock and about 5 feet away. every time. I have one on my Gen 3 G17, same deal

 

Not sure how the Apex extractor changed my grip, but spent shells used to fly anywhere in a 45 degree arc from straight back to off to my right. Now they fall in an area off to my right consistently, even if I try to limp wrist.

That was a sarcastic remark joking about another user who likes to litter threads like these with posts blaming the shooter for poor technique rather than admitting the pistol might actually be at fault when there is erratic ejection. It was nothing personal.

 

I have owned and shot different models of Glocks for 20 years and never had a problem until I bought two Gen 4 Glock 19s made in late 2012. Both had severe brass to face ejection, as in at least 3-4 hot empties in my face every single magazine full. And I mean every single magazine full. I never even shot a partial magazine of five rounds without at least one BTF.

I tried almost every fix suggested on this and another Glock forum and nothing worked, or even slowed down the incidence of BTF. After spending hours on forums and Youtube I ordered one Apex extractor kit and tried it in one of the G19s.

Instant fix.

Ordered another Apex kit and installed it in my second G19 and it was also an instant fix. I now have over 1500 rounds between the two of them without one single brass to face. Ignore the fanboys and Glock apologists who blamed the shooter, ammo, grip technique and climate change for erratic ejection problems.

It's the fault of the gun!

Looking at the Apex extractor it has three differences:
1. It is machined and the Glock isn't.
2. The Glock has the "dip" and the Apex doesn't
3. The Glock has a "hump" and the Apex doesn't.

My Glocks had all the updated parts and they didn't work correctly. The Apex extractor kit worked for me. If it hadn't both of my Glock 19s would be gone. With the Apex kit they work as well as all my past Glocks and they are keepers.

 

Great reply

I have owned and shot different models of Glocks for 20 years and never had a problem until I bought two Gen 4 Glock 19s made in late 2012. Both had severe brass to face ejection, as in at least 3-4 hot empties in my face every single magazine full. And I mean every single magazine full. I never even shot a partial magazine of five rounds without at least one BTF.

I tried almost every fix suggested on this and another Glock forum and nothing worked, or even slowed down the incidence of BTF. After spending hours on forums and Youtube I ordered one Apex extractor kit and tried it in one of the G19s.

Instant fix.

Ordered another Apex kit and installed it in my second G19 and also and it was also an instant fix. I now have over 1500 rounds between the two of them without one single brass to face. Ignore the fanboys and Glock apologists who blamed the shooter, ammo, grip technique and climate change for erratic ejection problems.

It's the fault of the gun!

Looking at the Apex extractor it has three differences:
1. It is machined and the Glock isn't.
2. The Glock as the "dip" and the Apex doesn't
3. The Glock has a "hump" and the Apex doesn't.

My Glocks had all the updated parts and they didn't work correctly. The Apex extractor kit worked for me. If it hadn't both of my Glock 19s would be gone. With the Apex kit they work as well as all my past Glocks and they are keepers.

Great reply! Everything you say is on point. Pretty excited to get mine this week. Although my ejection isn't that bad, I would rather have superior parts in my gun. What's good enough for Glock and others, isn't good enough for me.

 

The more I read the more I realize how little I have experienced. I see us old timers with a lot of experience coming to the table with prejudice, we have not experienced everything that there is to experience( not all of us have bought every model with every change)
Looks like a REAL problem, while many if us sit here saying it cannot happen, all I can say is sorry, and do not give up on those that sit in judgement and in ignorance, please keep educating us.

 

I'm not sure how old this thread is but I inheritaded a Glock G23 gen 3 and based on the cost of ammo decided to buy a Conversion barrel to convert it to 9mm. It was not a straight forward swap as they had stated as I get brass to face and have stovepipe issues. I changed the ejecter to the 30274 and even changed the extracter to the stock 9mm. I also purchased a new stainless guide rod with stock 18lb spring. The issue has gotten better but still not fixed. 200 rounds and I had multiple stovepipes. Inconsistant ejection left right and in my face. I'm using a Lonewolf barrel. I herd Lonewold also makes a extractor now and its LCI like the factory one. But I've herd lots of good things about the APEX. Anyone herd anything about Lonewolfs extractor? Any suggestions?