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Best .380 Ammo for Self Defense?

32K views 90 replies 67 participants last post by  Bobcatbaseball35  
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Two of my favorite carry pistols are the Glock Model 42, and the Ruger LCP. Two totally different guns, for the Ruger LCP I carry some zombie loads from a few years back when zombie themed anything were the rage. Supposedly a little more potent, and makes the LCP a little harder to shoot accurately with one hand. G42 can handle it without no problem, but it's a bigger piece.

Do you have suggestions for some great .380 self-defense rounds?
 
#2 ·
The ammo the functions best in your firearm. How do you really judge how effective ammo is? Gelatin tests? Shooting statistics? The Hatcher study?

Where do you live? In an area where it is warm all the time and clothing is light or in MN where you may have several inches of clothes to penetrate before you want expansion.

Are you capable of head shots or center of mass?

Too many variables other than whatever functions 100% in your firearms. Everything else is just an opinion.
 
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#13 · (Edited)
^^Do not listen to this guy. Speer Gold Dot is junk in 380. Way too large expansion for the bullet weight and power of the cartridge. It is fantastic in 9mm and 10mm, though. In 380 it only goes ~8 inches in gel.

For a 380 JHP, the only bullet that consistently hits bare gel 12" is the Hornady XTP. It's a mild expander which is why it meets the penetration minimum. It's also pretty good through 4 layer denim.

You have your choice of loadings for the bullet. I personally use the Underwood hot "+P" loading of the XTP. I think the Underwood loading of the Xtreme Defender is also a decent round.

I do not recommend the Xtreme Penetrator as it doesn't deliver as much energy to target if you're anticipating a normal size unarmored / no barrier threat. It overpenetrates past 18" and is a waste of energy. If you have a low power cartridge, you want all the power it has delivered in your target window.

If you're looking for deep penetration without compromising energy delivery, you have to step up to a hotter caliber. In 380 you can't have something for nothing.

It's also worth noting that if you shoot an XTP or other JHP through clothing it won't expand and it'll then penetrate deeper. In my denim testing, the Xtreme Penetrator and an unexpanded XTP both had similar 18"+ penetration. Contrary to some people's beliefs, that's not a good thing.

I'd rather have the Xtreme Defender's consistent 15" barrier blind penetration. Deeper flutes to accentuate energy delivery in the first segments of distance. But in testing, it's pretty similar to the much cheaper XTP.

Thanks, those are the tests I did to help me come to the conclusions I did. I really, really wanted the G42 to get close to the G26 (and later the G43) but it never did. I wound up picking up a bunch of different small 9mm pistols instead.
 
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I prefer a good quality JHP made by one of the major American ammo makers.

The ones I typically use in my pair of LCP's include W-W T-Series, Rem Golden Sabre and Speer Gold Dot (not in any particular order of preference). They feed, fire, extract & eject in my LCP's, in my hands, and are surprisingly accurate.

I've tried a couple other JHP's (because some boxes came my way), and they worked fine, but I prefer the 3 brands listed above.

I might try some Hornady CD's sometime, if availability and pricing are favorable at some point. I thought I remembered that's the load LAPD approved for use in the 2 .380's they approved for use by their officers (Ruger LCP & S&W Bodyguard).

I'd only use ball (RN or FN) loads if that were all that were available, as I prefer some potential for at least some minimal deformation/expansion, myself.

I don't carry my LCP's to be employed as "duty weapons", in the sort of situations where I might have invoked my peace officer status off-duty and become actively involved in an enforcement action. Instead, I carry one or another of my LCP's as an occasional retirement CCW option for strictly close range, personal defense situations ... meaning I'm not planning on engaging suspects at distance, or at oblique angles (presenting shoulder capsule structures, intervening limbs) or intermediate barriers, etc.

Since I have a pair of LCP's, and might have loaded them and their mags at different times (depending on range sessions, cleanings, replacing carry ammo, etc), I think as often as not I've had a different brand of JHP (of the 3 I normally prefer to use) in each of the guns at the same time. Kinda depends how much I have of the different brands on hand at any time I'm loading guns/mags. I think I'm down to only 1 box each of the Golden Sabre and T-Series, but have some remaining 50rd boxes of the Gold Dot. Might be time to refresh the GS & T-Series. ;)
 
#14 ·
If the zombie loads are made by Hornady they might not be too bad. But the best defense ammo in 380 caliber is the most powerful, like the Underwood XTP's and that's what's best in your G42.

But in the LCP these would not be a good idea but the regular Hornady Xtp's are also one of the best loads for the 380, and one of the few loads in 380 that give you both expansion AND penetration.

Other wise, most jhp's don't give enough penetration and for yeas most people carried FMJ's in their .380's. The Lehigh "Extreme Penetrator" that looks like a Phillip's head screwdriver bit also seems like a good load and is 90 grains but might be considered Plus P and good for the G42 but not for the LCP.

The only ammo I would NOT use in the 380 is the Ruger ARX ammo which uses something like a 50 grain bullet which develops high velocity, trading velocity for mass, but is more of a pellet than a bullet. It works ok in jello but is unproven in the real world.
 
#16 ·
.380 is a difficult round to find good SD ammo for. It typically doesn't have enough power to both expand well and penetrate well. You typically have to choose one or the other- you can carry ammo that either penetrates well but doesn't expand or ammo that expands well but doesn't penetrate well.

Myself, I try to go by the FBI's standards for ammo performance- minimum of 12" of penetration through calibrated ordnance gel, maximum of 18", in both bare and clothed gel. The FBI also specifies expansion should be 1.5 times the original bullet diameter, but that really doesn't work for .380 because of the limited power available. The FBI protocols help ensure that the bullet can penetrate enough to reach vital organs from any angle while expanding as much as is practical in order to cause the most trauma.

In .380, there aren't many loads that can meet this standard. Most JHPs either don't expand and overpenetrate or expand very large and underpenetrate. Most FMJs massively overpenetrate since they don't expand at all and are virtually guaranteed to overpenetrate. Also, because of the extremely elastic nature of most human tissues, FMJ wounds typically aren't large at all because of the skin and tissues snapping back into place after the bullet passes through them. Hitting critical areas with FMJ can work, but the person can take a LONG time to bleed out if you miss things like the heart, brain or spinal cord. JHP ammo works better for this because they damage more tissues and can help with the target bleeding out and loosing consciousness.

Luckily, we live in a time when gel testing is fairly widespread and available on the Internet. There are quite a few people doing testing and publishing their results. One of my favorites is Shootingthebull410 on Youtube. He is very meticulous in his testing, properly calibrates his gel blocks and uses the same denim material that is used by the FBI for testing. If you go this route, just be careful and educate yourself to make sure that the tester is using verified testing techniques. With watching his testing, along with a few others, I have come to a few conclusions.

The best performing .380 JHP ammo seems to be any of the various loadings using Hornady's XTP bullets. The XTP expands, but does so modestly, meaning that it still has energy to penetrate well. XTP reliably penetrates over 12" and also reliably expands, but expands to small diameters. There are some other loads that gain honorable mention, such as Speer Gold Dots. They don't reliably penetrate to 12" but do reliably penetrate to 10-11" and expand well. That's the toss up with .380. You can have good expansion or good penetration, but not both due to the lack of energy in the cartridge. Also, check any resources you come across and see what gun or barrel length they are using. Lots of times, manufacturers use longer barrel lengths than what are typically found on carry guns to make the numbers look better. That's one thing I like about Shootingthebull 410, he actually uses a Taurus TCP in .380 with a 2andsomething" barrel, which is equal to most of the sub-compact .380s like the LCP. This gives you more realistic results than, say, Winchester using a 4" test barrel.

About all you can do is do your research, decide what you want for performance and pick a load that matches your performance goals. You can have penetration if you want it or expansion if you want that. It's all up to what you want the gun to do. Myself, the PD I work for is currently using Speer Gold Dots for .380. Since I am the head firearms instructor and am in charge of buying ammo, when we run out of Gold Dots, we will be using Hornady American Gunner, which uses the XTP bullet.

Bub
 
#17 ·
I keep G2R RIP loaded in my 42. I went by AmmoZone in Flippin, AR last year and saw first hand what a this round in .380 did to a wild hog. Made a believer out of me, I too hope I never have to find out.
 
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I have settled on the XTP bullet for my 380 needs. My choice for load is Underwoods +P 90gr XTP. JCN posted a bunch of gel tests in the Caliber section with very impressive penetration and expansion results through both bare and denim setups, easily reaching FBI minimum pentration standards with reliable expansion.

I have chronographed this load from my G42 at near 1200fps for my OEM barrel and well over 1200fps using my Alpha Wolf barrel (my preferred carry option). I recently tested the load from my diminutive Kahr P380 and it still came in at 1150fps! Very impressive ammo.

The LCP I believe specifically calls out no +P ammo, so for that, I likely would fall back to one of the many tested normal pressure XTP offerings such as Hornaday's own Custom line, Fiocchi Extrema or Precision One (the winner I believe in the Shooting the Bull tests). I also might consider the UW load of the LeHigh Xtreme Defense bullet in normal pressure.

Lots of good choices I think. Good luck.
 
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