I’ve had M9, USA made 92 and Italy made 92. The markings were the only differences I noticed.

I wouldn’t worry about it. My most used range gun and reload tester is a M9. It’s eaten 10k+ of my cheap reloads with no issues. Very reliable and accurate pistols.

 

They say the same thing about some other manufacturers as I am sure you know. I have one American made Glock and it seems to work as well as the Austrian made models. I don’t own anything in recent manufacture from American (exception being a Colt 1911 which I promptly got rid of) or foreign made though.
The 92 is a fine handgun and performs superbly, IMHO. If American made guns cannot perform up to standards of their European counterparts across the board then there are a few issues to address.
I do know some American made cars lack in very specific areas. I also know there is a UAW issue in some if not all the plants in the US. There are some things that need and should be addressed on those fronts but the unions are responsible for the degradation In quality. There was a day when American Union made products were of the highest caliber. Not so much anymore.

 

I have seen precious little indication that any major firearms manufacturer has "quality control" beyond the customer.

 

About 15yrs ago I bought a new Glock 26 that had a couple machine marks inside barrel similar to that pic but not as severe. Ever since then every time I buy a new pistol I take a flashlight and look inside the barrel, some sales people think I'm over doing it and my story about my G26 barrel goes over their head. I don't care I inspect anyways.

It can happen, it shouldn't but it does.

 

Great post! I always inspect all gun barrels on any guns I buy, new or used. I go over all guns closely. There is a primer here on Glock Talk on how to check used guns.

 

I have a new TN made M9 that has a similar looking barrel. Been waiting for a replacement since August...customer service is also garbage.

 

I didn't actually see the firearm myself nor talk to the owner, but supposedly a fella here in our area ..years ago...bought a Colt Python that was smoothbore...no rifling cut in the barrel at all.

 

That was the special snake shot Python

 

Not good

 

On the beretta forums, there are quality control issues being reported, as well as lack of support "responsiveness" and/or failure of resolution.

 

I love Beretta, but they honestly are not doing that great right now.

Over the years, I have owned 41 Berettas - 29 of them being 92 variants. So, they are obviously my favorite brand. But, I will say that ever since they moved from MD to TN, their quality has gone down significantly.

Apparently, they did not take most of their workers with them - they started over with unskilled people in TN. But, for some strange reason - since the move, I have seen more than usual complaints (on the various gun forums) about Italian made guns as well.

Many guns should not be leaving the factory in the condition they are, but they do... Unfortunately...

I hate to say it, but at this point, you need to inspect any Beretta 92 variant in person before you buy it. On the Beretta Forum, I've even seen 1 or 2 Ernest Langdon 92 variants that never should have left the factory. So, you can't even count on that.

I hope they get their act together because it is sad right now.

Back when Beretta was in MD, I preferred USA made guns. They seemed a bit tighter. The two problems I have had on 92 models I have bought were both Italian made. Also, years ago, there were Beretta employees that would sometimes join the Beretta Forum - and give us a little incite into things...

It used to be that the return rate for problems was a little higher on the Italian made models. And, because the CNC machines were newer on the USA made ones, the tolerances WERE a little tighter for American made 92 variants.

I don't have that info any longer - but with the stuff the TN plant sometimes cranks out, they should be ashamed. I've seen some horrendous photos on the Beretta Forum of some people's new guns. And, to try and pass that off as "cosmetic" and not fix the issues is deplorable.

 

Yes, I’ve heard and read many complaints about the Tennessee facility. Many. You can chalk it up to mass manufacturing, but the quality control is obviously lacking. Or their workforce in that area isn’t up to par. When you read that many complaints about the quality and workmanship from many different mediums, it’s a sign of smoke.

 

Yes, and as big of a fan of Berettas that I am, I can admit the truth.

Funny how ya never see Taurus fanatics do that

 

Akin to the new vehicle situation over the last two years (wouldn’t buy one), I’m trying hard not to purchase new firearms until the labor and pricing kinks get worked out. Hope it’s not a long wait.


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Beretta, like any human ran shop, isn’t infallible. I’m sure that a lemon had squeaked through now and then.

Not to defend Beretta Tennessee but since 2018 I have bought one LTT, four Wilsons, one M9A1, one Inox Brigadier, one M9A4, three Performances. A good combination of Tennessee and Italy shops. If Beretta quality control were to have slipped that much, surely I must have experienced one or two lemons out of the eleven?

 

Picked up a 92 Performance and a LTT 92X last year; both are flawless.

Hoss touched on... other companies are experiencing quality issues as well. We see it in the gun industry, automobiles, electronics, and so on. I believe the root cause of these quality issues come down to one thing; the current labor shortage throughout our country.

Companies are forced to hire unemployable, bottom of the barrel workers; unfortunately even this class of workers are even hard to find now a days. Many companies can't even execute their own progressive discipline policies, because after three strikes they can no longer fire them, because... who will they find to replace them? They won't, so they're essentially forced to tolerate inferiority and failure.

Where have all the workers gone? We've been competing with our own government for workers, since many people make more on government handouts than they do working. Hell... some people can't even afford the fuel to get to work. Failed socialist policies are to blame. 50% of us voted for socialism. To those of you who voted for Joe... you are to blame.

 

That is an example of an extremely fouled bore. I suspect one could scrape that out with a Lewis lead remover just fine. I have one of the newer TN guns that I bought to host a .22 conversion. There wasn't a damn thing wrong with my gun, and it's quality was on par with my older M9s and Italian made 92s.

 

posted pic before, but purchased nib m9a1 out of gallatin a couple years ago that had an out of spec safety-decocker that didn't drop hammer without exerting excessive downward pressure. replaced with wilson lo pro that remedied issue. if owners are still encountering problems with recently produced guns there may be something to it unfortunately.

 

. if owners are still encountering problems with recently produced guns there may be something to it unfortunately.

Oh, there IS something to it - and this is coming from a Beretta fanatic....

 

I don't know if there are actually more bad reports concerning quality issues leaving the factory in the past couple of years but it seems like I am reading about a lot of quality issues from Springfield, Sig, Beretta, etc. Reading reports about the new S&W pistol, one of them stated the polymer front strap came off due to broken tabs and another with a misaligned front sight.

I had a Beretta 92x on layaway at my LGS, got close to paying it off and decided to pass on it. I didn't feel too bad, there was a guy at the counter that was happy to buy it when I told the owner I didn't want it. It seemed like a neat pistol but I had been reading issues about quality from the TN plant and figured I would just save my money to put towards something else.

I've purchased two Staccatos and a Wilson Combat in the past 6 months, all three pistols were excellent right out of the box. I guess it is hard to get excited about production pistols with hit or miss quality anymore. I sold off quite a few Glocks(not that I have ever had a problem with one) and a couple of Sigs to help facilitate the purchase of those three pistols but I couldn't be happier.

 

This is all disappointing to hear. The Beretta is one of my favorites and they have always been cheap and available.

This makes me want to find a railed 92 made a few years ago and grab it up.

 

There are Qc issues with the Italian guns too.
I had 2 different guns last year with issues that had to be sent it.

 

My Beretta M9A4 is inexcusably awful

This post was supposed to be a glorious unboxing of my first Beretta 92/M9... a M9A4... after inspecting it after disassembly it's now a "how do I get this fixed" post. I've never seen a slide so poorly machined. I would barely consider the machining on this acceptable on a $200 Taurus, much...

www.waltherforums.com

Here ya go

 

Damn. That is downright awful. How does that pass quality inspection?

 

The only thing I know that Beretta makes, which is consistently bad, is the 20 round extendo magazine for the 92 series.

I ordered four for my Cx4. Spring pressure is incredibly intense. Maybe they use the same spring in the 20 that they do in the 30? On three of them, the follower didn't come up far enough to hold the bolt open. The magazine tube was too small and wouldn't allow them all the way up, despite the mega-spring doing its worst. On the fourth, I couldn't get more than about 12 rounds in it before the spring bound up. I cut three coils off the spring and that made it work. The three that wouldn't hold the bolt open went back to Beretta several months ago. Not a word out of Beretta.

I don't understand this; the 30 round model 92 magazines are excellent.

And googling around, I'm not the only guy with these problems. I now use the Mec-
Gar 20s with zero problemas.

 

The only thing I know that Beretta makes, which is consistently bad, is the 20 round extendo magazine for the 92 series.

I ordered four for my Cx4. Spring pressure is incredibly intense. Maybe they use the same spring in the 20 that they do in the 30? On three of them, the follower didn't come up far enough to hold the bolt open. The magazine tube was too small and wouldn't allow them all the way up, despite the mega-spring doing its worst. On the fourth, I couldn't get more than about 12 rounds in it before the spring bound up. I cut three coils off the spring and that made it work. The three that wouldn't hold the bolt open went back to Beretta several months ago. Not a word out of Beretta.

I don't understand this; the 30 round model 92 magazines are excellent.

And googling around, I'm not the only guy with these problems. I now use the Mec-
Gar 20s with zero problemas.

That 20-rounder is total crap. I have two that came with two of my Wilson Combats and they repeatedly jam.

 

I believe Smith&Wesson has plans to move to Tennessee as well. Bet their quality control goes down the crapper too!