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A habit we should change: Pulling trigger when clearing a Glock

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#1 ·
Hi! Here is a habit that is nearly universal among Glock use, namely, pulling the trigger to de-cock the hammer after clearing. After reading everyone's comments in a previous forum post on the subject, I am convinced it is a bad habit that we as a community need to change. I suggest the new rule of “only decock the hammer when bedding down your Glock for serious long-term storage, otherwise, leave it cocked.”



Here are the common thoughts on the subject, and what I conclude from them, all summarized with the details that I think matter. One thing I ask is to please refrain from simply repeating “Triggger Pullled!!”, or some common opinion I already addressed without any additional intellectually constructive input. That’s not helpful. That being said, please fire away with all the good reasons whether I am correct or not.




Does storing a Glock with the trigger cocked cause the spring for the firing pin to wear out?
  • After all, Glock factory manuals all say to decock the hammer by pulling the trigger every time you clear the gun. -> The consensus on the last forum was no, and I say no, for 2 reasons. 1: Guns, especially Glocks, are meant to be durable. Durable to where they still function after taking all kinds of unforeseen abuse. If storing the firing pin spring compressed (but within its range of motion) is enough to cause it fail, it is far from that level of durability, and we should see other cases of firing pin springs failing. 2: Mentioned in the previous form here, we have a case of good empirical evidence that firing pin springs can be cocked for 20+ years without reaching a point of failure.
The habit in action:
  • If you decock the Glock every time you clear it, you will form a very solid habit when clearing your Glock: remove the mag, rack the slide and check the chamber, point it in a safe direction and pull the trigger. The problem is that like any habit, this ends up chaining together into one single fluid action. Which when you forget the first step, turns into rack slide, check chamber, fire(?) Glock in a (hopefully) safe direction. Store a loaded mag in a pistol with an empty chamber? If you miss the mag, next time you check that gun, you will automatically fire that gun in the random direction you determined was probably safe. Not a great scenario. If you miss a round somehow in another way, you can also end up accidentally discharging the Glock. And while this seems unlikely, there are examples of it happening.
  • Lastly, a habit of regularly pulling the trigger on a firearm you do not intend to fire is directly against one of the golden rules of gun safety “always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot,” and so should only be practiced if absolutely necessary to the gun’s use. From what we’ve seen, it is definitely not.
Another resulting habit:
  • So one of the arguments for decocking is that it is convenient that a backwards trigger shows you a gun is unloaded(assuming normal operation and fail-safes), and that pulling the trigger can’t cause it to go off. To quote: “On sight you know it's safe to handle the weapon,” which is just the mindset that I think is so bad. If you missed that it has a mag in, you could start playing with it, rack the slide, and fire; thinking of it as unloaded. Given the perfect storm of worn and dirty parts, there could technically be an unfired round still in the chamber even with the trigger back.
  • While I don’t think either of those dangers are particularly likely, my big problem is that this builds a habit of assuming a gun is unloaded without personally checking the chamber. Which goes again the near universal rule to check and clear an unloaded handgun yourself every time you handle it, even if someone else just did. In my opinion, the only position that allow you to assume a gun is unloaded just by looking at it, is when you directly see into the empty chamber, aka when the slide is locked back (or maybe with a cable lock or barrel flag). If that’s not a position you want to store your gun in, then you need to check and clear that gun when you pull it out of storage. Period.
The other main trains of thought, and my comments:
  • Store EDCs loaded, store non-EDC guns with trigger pulled so you can tell the difference: I mean if that floats your boat, sure. Maybe you need to tell your seven black Glocks apart somehow. But realistically, your EDC should be one of your most familiar go-to guns in your safe. If you don’t automatically reach for it when thinking EDC, I think that is a bigger problem.
  • Pull back the slide slightly and release the pin where it can’t hit a round: As a safety feature (at least on mine), Glocks actually can’t do this. Also, if the round slide out with the ejector, there’s a good chance you’ll end up detonating the round in a partially open chamber. That’s really bad, but I’ll leave you to imagine what the results look like…
  • Dry firing doesn’t hurt Glocks: Sounds legit to me. If it did hurt Glocks, there would have been lots of examples by now of it hurting Glocks.
  • The one that no-one said, but people definitely think: I don’t have a good reason to decock my Glock, but the instruction manual said to, so my OCD compels me to do it every time: you probably should just get a handle of your OCD and accept the realization that the compressed firing pin spring is going to be alright. If that feels wrong, realize that if you store your AR-15 with the safety on, that means its hammer spring is also stored compressed.
In conclusion:
  • Neither decocking (dry firing) or failure to decock (compressed storage of firing pin spring) will damage a Glock.
  • While either method is alright, decocking encourages bad habits that go against normal gun safety practices, without having any major benefits.
  • Decocking before long term storage pays off the most in possible spring lifespan, while also not forming a regular habit by repetition.

Finally, I am only human. Please point out all my many typos and vaguearies. If something sounds really wrong, it's probably because I typed it wrong.
 
#2 ·
On the police range, during training, all us instructors would listen for what we called " clicking off"...anyone who did that had to police the entire range for brass. It is a dangerous practice in our opinion, an opinion drilled into us during our initial transition training years ago.
We absolutely hammered our people to only press the trigger to;
Live fire, dry fire, or field strip. Period.
But everyone's training and protocols will differ.
 
#4 · (Edited)
I vote for storing holstered Every Day Carry (EDC) pistols loaded. Think of the gun and holster as 1 unit. At the end of the day take your loaded & holstered pistol off your belt and store it as is. In the morning put your loaded and holstered pistol back on your belt. The only time you should clearing / unloading your everyday carry pistol is at the range or when cleaning it.

If you just have to finger bang your pistol, have a 2nd matching (or not) unloaded pistol with matching holster to do that with.

Pulling the trigger on the Glock is a necessary step for disassembling the gun for cleaning. Past making sure the gun is clear of ammo in the mag and chamber and pointed in a safe direction when the trigger is pulled, I don't give it much thought.
 
#10 ·
What other striker fired guns don't require the striker to be unloaded before the slide comes off? The striker guns typically have the striker at least partially cocked, if not fully cocked.

You're missing the first part of the routine - clearing the chamber, or checking for clear chamber, before releasing the striker.
 
#14 · (Edited)
When the range officer hears the firing pin "click home," (muzzle "glued" to berm) it's assured that pistol is safe and gets holstered that way. I do it at home to achieve that same result, and to have the pistol visibly "safer" (trigger fully reward, or hammer fully forward) the next time I pick it up. It's not really that dangerous; really pretty safe gun handling. I doubt I'm going to be able to break that long-established habit.
 
#17 ·
This sentence from his post should answer that question.... "Here is a habit that is nearly universal among Glock use, namely, pulling the trigger to de-cock the hammer after clearing."

If there ain't no hammer in it and he's saying there's a hammer in it...................... his opening statement essentially invalidates the rest of his opinion.
 
#16 · (Edited)
The only time any kind of "de-cocking" or pulling the trigger on an empty chamber with a Glock comes into play for me is cleaning after I shoot them, which you have to do to field strip. Then they get fully reloaded, holstered and stay that way until the next time they get shot. I'm not one of those guys that has to press check my CCW every day, I rarely unholster a loaded gun and when I do, I have a couple of MIC's to slip on them. (My HD G19 is actually stored in a MIC.)

My G35 is stored unloaded in my safe with a pulled trigger per the manual, it was my USPSA gun. (I haven't shot USPSA in a decade, so the gun rarely gets used.)

Also, it used to be when you completed a USPSA course the RO command was "If you are finished, unload and show clear." once you did that the command was "Slide forward, hammer down and holster." You had to pull the trigger on an empty gun, otherwise it was a safety violation. I don't know if it's still that way or not but that's what it was 10-12 years ago.
 
#23 ·
I'll take "Crap that doesn't matter" for $800, Alex.

Multiple generations of SA people don't seem to have picked up any of the habits that you assure us "will" develop. Neither do we hear of such widespread catastrophe from around the world of Glock users. Perhaps making the press of the trigger a purposeful act addresses your fears.


This really does sound like a Chat GPI generated essay. And the internal links don't lead to where they ought to lead, so maybe brush up on that.
 
#163 ·
I'll take "Crap that doesn't matter" for $800, Alex.

Multiple generations of SA people don't seem to have picked up any of the habits that you assure us "will" develop. Neither do we hear of such widespread catastrophe from around the world of Glock users. Perhaps making the press of the trigger a purposeful act addresses your fears.


This really does sound like a Chat GPI generated essay. And the internal links don't lead to where they ought to lead, so maybe brush up on that.
Oh my god the OP is a Pod Person😙
 
#28 ·
I’m thinking more along the lines of “What general internet rando advice should we ignore while following 47 years of training and experience that has thus far resulted in zero negligent discharges?

But that’s just me, YMMV…
 
#30 ·
Finally, I am only human.
I have my doubts... :p

Your post is polite, paragraphed, indented, bullet pointed, spell checked, punctuated correctly and has live embedded links.

The jig is up Bot !

Your neural network needs to update to he cor4ect typ0s and non use oF pargrafs.

Reboot and try again later.
 
#31 ·
A Police officer here killed his wife because it was about to clean his glock and he pulled the trigger to take it apart and fired a round in the chamber. Yes i know he violated some safety rules; however humans are not infallible which is the reason we have thumb safeties and other mechanical safeties on pistols and rifles. One of Sigs selling points to the military was their pistol did not have to have the trigger pulled to take it apart. They sold that as an extra safety feature. It is a flaw to have to pull the trigger to take a pistol apart.
 
#34 ·
Seems to me he violated almost all basic gun safety rules…

 
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