[Sechott]

From what I have read and saw from videos, jacketed flat nose is a good compromise for 380 ACP. I’m fond of the underpowered round, and I can’t go too long without a 380 pistol in my safe.

 

[anuthabubba]

.380ACP isn't a modern primary service cartridge. Doesn't mean it's not a viable secondary (backup) or personal defense weapon (off-duty LE and private citizens) cartridge. It's not a 9mmP, though, and trying to boot-strap it into becoming a 9mmP is akin to going down a rabbit hole. Some of the hot-rodded cartridges sold by custom ammo makers might stress some of the guns, especially the plastic ones. Read the gun maker's manual about ammunition selection, or call them.

Some folks look to apply the same FBI/IWBA 'ammunition testing' protocols to secondary and personal defense calibers as are used by LE agencies for the selection of duty ammunition. Personally, I'm not one of them. Suit yourself.

When .380 was an approved caliber for secondary & off-duty roles at my former agency, Ball was provided for quals, but JHP was used for carry use. It was usually either Speer or Remington GS (depending on availability). I picked up a case of the Winchester T-series from a Winchester LE distributor (discounted individual officer pricing). I don't have much of that case left, and mostly carry either Rem GS or Speer GDHP, depending on which box is closest at hand when loading a magazine. I think I still have at least a 50rd box of some Winchester STHP left from when it was easily affordable, but I'm saving it (and some Ball) for range ammo, as needed. I've been using some 'recycled' Rem and Speer carry ammo for qual/drills use, but it's getting harder to find.

WOW! Red it again.
My backup is a physically smaller 9!

 

[Montana Jon]

.380ACP underpenetrate = women cheat = cats are black

And the FBI has been caught in so many lies and how many times has that three letters been used here... I don't trust anything they have anything to
do with.

 

[PJB]

How is the fluted bullet with ricochets or overpentration?

I don't know about ricochet, but according to the videos I have seen they stay in the gel block and do quite a bit of damage.

 

[Railsplitter]

I don't know about ricochet, but according to the videos I have seen they stay in the gel block and do quite a bit of damage.

The fluted bullets must be doing something right. The Dept of Defense has signed a contract with Black Hills Ammo to supply their Honey Badger round or fluted style solid copper bullet to the U. S. Marine Corps and Navy.

 

[Matteo1371]

The fluted bullets must be doing something right. The Dept of Defense has signed a contract with Black Hills Ammo to supply their Honey Badger round or fluted style solid copper bullet to the U. S. Marine Corps and Navy.

Considering these organizations use FMJ and have gone green with their ammo, this doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

 

[Railsplitter]

Considering these organizations use FMJ and have gone green with their ammo, this doesn’t necessarily mean anything.

It means these were chosen over the old FMJ rounds and are barrier blind which no HP can claim. It is my understanding these were tested before the contract was given but not sure what the tests were.

 

[Matteo1371]

It means these were chosen over the old FMJ rounds and are barrier blind which no HP can claim. It is my understanding these were tested before the contract was given but not sure what the tests were.

Again we're talking about organizations that have gone green with their ammo. And HPs aren't really used. So a contract where these are being used doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond, no lead and non expanding.

 

[Railsplitter]

Again we're talking about organizations that have gone green with their ammo. And HPs aren't really used. So a contract where these are being used doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond, no lead and non expanding.

When the contract details are made public we will know more about their standards and intentions. Per the Black Hills sales rep.

 

[Matteo1371]

When the contract details are given we will know more about their standards and intentions.

Exactly. Nothing even says it's for the fluted monolithic ammo.

 

[Railsplitter]

Exactly. Nothing even says it's for the fluted monolithic ammo.

??? I can't imagine little Black Hills winning against the big boys for any other bullet type. Barrier blind tells the tale.

 

[Matteo1371]

??? I can't imagine little Black Hills winning against the big boys for any other bullet type. Barrier blind tells the tale.

More like that’s what you’re choosing to read into it. It could be. But it could also not be. Until the full details of the contract come out it’s all speculation. Whats more there’s no guarantee this is a long term contract. Testing is a factor.

 

[PJB]

Again we're talking about organizations that have gone green with their ammo. And HPs aren't really used. So a contract where these are being used doesn't necessarily mean anything beyond, no lead and non expanding.

Check out the gel test of the Underwood arms fluted bullets, you will change your mind. Wilson Combat is also selling them for hunting rifles.

 

[Matteo1371]

Check out the gel test of the Underwood arms fluted bullets, you will change your mind. Wilson Combat is also selling them for hunting rifles.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that my opinion needs to be changed? I'm simply not making assumptions that the ammo selected is the fluted monolithic.