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.22 caliber handgun vs 4 terrorists with AKs

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3K views 37 replies 25 participants last post by  PattonWasRight  
#1 ·
I saw this story on YouTube about an iserali Sky Marshall take on terrorists with his .22 caliber pistol.

The Sky Marshall part is about 15 minutes into the video.
Shows what a determined well trained man can do despite the odds.
 
#2 ·
I saw this story on YouTube about an iserali Sky Marshall take on terrorists with his .22 caliber pistol.

The Sky Marshall part is about 15 minutes into the video.
Shows what a determined well trained man can do despite the odds.
If you hit the right places, any caliber will do the job. Fascinating! Thanks for posting the video. 👍

"Is there any situation in which a hollow-point handgun bullet will invariably stop an individual 'dead in his tracks?' Yes, if the bullet injures a vital area of the brain, the brain stem, or the cervical spinal cord. But any bullet, regardless of size or caliber, injuring these organs will cause instant incapacitation. It is the nature of the structure injured, not the nature of the bullet that causes incapacitation." - Dr. Vincent J.M. DiMaio author of: Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques (3rd Edition)
 
#10 ·
The model 71 is a nice .380 size pistol that is very accurate. It is NOT a pocket pistol. It fires in SA mode only. Quite accurate and I have no doubt the IDF trains their agents to a very high standard. I also would think the Israelis have done a 'trigger job' to make it even more accurate. It ain't no Ruger LCP II!!

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I have no doubt he could have used a .32 version with the same results (I think the .32 acp in FMJ format would penetrate more and be more (if that is possible) reliable.

And obviously CNS shots are the way to go with 4 terrorist.
 
#16 · (Edited)
The model 71 is a nice .380 size pistol that is very accurate. It is NOT a pocket pistol. It fires in SA mode only. Quite accurate and I have no doubt the IDF trains their agents to a very high standard. I also would think the Israelis have done a 'trigger job' to make it even more accurate. It ain't no Ruger LCP II!!

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I have no doubt he could have used a .32 version with the same results (I think the .32 acp in FMJ format would penetrate more and be more (if that is possible) reliable.

And obviously CNS shots are the way to go with 4 terrorist.
There was a thread asking whether training or caliber was more important.

Anyone want to reconsider their position? ;)
 
#17 ·
I saw this story on YouTube about an Israeli Sky Marshall take on terrorists with his .22 caliber pistol.

The Sky Marshall part is about 15 minutes into the video.
Shows what a determined well trained man can do despite the odds.
It's not the size of the gun in the gunfight; it's the size of the fight in the gunfighter.
 
#37 ·
Anyone else remember back in the mid 1980s when Beretta discontinued these pistols and the .380 versions, you could find them NIB on gun show tables for around $175? Even though I was really into .22 handguns at the time, I passed on, even skipped over one to buy a used six inch Python at twice the price. Strangely, I don’t have the Python anymore, or a great story about how big a profit I made, but I still have all the other .22s I acquired, including s couple of Beretta Bobcats I bought during that period.

The absolute beauty of a .22 is its versatility. It can be a small game getter, a training tool, a poor college student’s last line of defense, or a professional’s artistic brush. The members of our own tier one special operations community get more trigger time in training than anyone else I would imagine short of professional competitors and have very high standards to accompany them. It would not be presumptuous to think that Israeli assets were also well trained. The Israeli Air Marshal, as I recall, may have originally been detailed over from either Mossad or Sayaret Matkal (spelling?), and the concept of armed agents protecting flights was still in its infancy. Couple that with the fact that Israel was not a rich country at that time and had long learned to make due with what they had and use it effectively. A well trained special operator with a sharp stick and a high degree of understanding the concept of surprise, speed, and violence of action is certainly going to prevail against a moron equipped with the latest and greatest deadly stuff and trained to the lowest common denominator on its effective employment. That pretty much sums up the Israeli counter terrorism successes. Remember too that in the 70s, things like fragmenting or shot-filled bullets were developed to prevent or minimize aircraft cabin penetration. They were expensive compared to a box of match grade .22 LR, and history has proven they weren’t terribly effective. Of course we know now that it takes a pretty large hole maker to depressurize an aircraft cabin, something that far exceeds the capability of any handgun or even a common AK. I remember once a conversation with a retired tier one operator who had once served in the Viet Nam Delta project, who mentioned using suppressed .22 Rugers and High Standards, and did not conclude with, “I’ll never try that again.”
 
#38 ·
I saw this story on YouTube about an iserali Sky Marshall take on terrorists with his .22 caliber pistol.

The Sky Marshall part is about 15 minutes into the video.
Shows what a determined well trained man can do despite the odds.
Geez. What a set of balls on that guy. He recounts the event like he's remembering a football game. Completely cool.

And a gentleman to a fault. There were four terrorists. He says "there were three terrorists, and one woman"