I have been having a hard time making up my mind on what to use as my EDC guns. I’ve gone from Glocks, to revolvers to 1911s. I think I have finally decided to go back with DA/SA guns again as my main carry guns. I have my Beretta M9 on layaway but tomorrow I think I’m gonna order a Sig P226 MK25. I have been wanting one and it goes with my military handgun collection idea. Plus as an avid scuba diver I like the cool little anchor on it as I like nautical themed items. I have been carrying Glocks on and off duty for years and I’m tired of the required diligence it takes to carry a Glock. Having to be extra cautious when holstering or handling one. I’m also tired of 1911s even though I just bought another but for carry I’d rather not have to deal with a safety. I will keep them for the range but not to carry. I like the idea of the long double action trigger pull for the first shot and being able to thumb the safety on holstering. Also like the second strike capability. This time I don’t think I’ll be changing back from DA/SA as I believe it to be the safest handgun design. I also have no trouble with the long double action trigger pull on the first shot.
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I think when you actually have to go to your EDC gun—if you ever need to—the one you use the most effectively will be the one you know is the best for you. Happened only once for me in a real world scenario and it sealed the deal for me. I had zero time to think about what would be best to use. The gun I had at that time was a revolver. I carry a Glock now most of the time but back then I was real glad I had what I did.
Like that HK 45C—BTW, Will Beararms.
Like that HK 45C—BTW, Will Beararms.
Same due diligence should be applied to all guns, not just Glocks.
I have holstered my 226 SA before. I mainly shoot Glocks and 1911s so decocking a gun took some getting used to. A M9 is exponentially more difficult because you are now dealing with a slide mounted decocking/safety lever. It took me longer to learn the M9 than the M16 while in service. I found the ergonomics of the M9 slide mounted safety to be backwards. If I had an option I would have preferred a decocker only G model.
I have holstered my 226 SA before. I mainly shoot Glocks and 1911s so decocking a gun took some getting used to. A M9 is exponentially more difficult because you are now dealing with a slide mounted decocking/safety lever. It took me longer to learn the M9 than the M16 while in service. I found the ergonomics of the M9 slide mounted safety to be backwards. If I had an option I would have preferred a decocker only G model.
Carried a M9 in the Army.
Carried a 92g centurion in Nuclear Security.
The 92g Centurion was my favorite.
The M9, I would draw with the right and as I would come up ,I would take my left hand to release the safety in one motion. Heck, it took me a few weeks to get use to the 92g.
I qualified very well with both.
My personal preference is my px4 storm compact 40sw and now my P239 in 9mm.
I’d just leave the safety off on a Beretta. Put it on to reholster if you want, then put it on fire when holstered. I really only carry Glocks though. They’re fine, although I agree they take some care reholstering v a gun with a safety or a hammer you can put your thumb on.
The Storm pistols are over looked good guns
The Storm pistols are over looked good guns
The P226 is a fine gun, and I’ve owned several of them in various forms over the years. It was the first handgun I bought and my EDC for a number of years. Having said that, it sounds like you‘re just looking for reasons to buy one, as the “required diligence” it takes to carry a GLOCK is a few seconds while holstering your firearm, where it should remain unless needed to defend yourself, or removed in the evening while no longer being carried. Similarly, it takes a fraction of a second to engage the safety of a 1911, which is an incredibly safe gun to carry with redundant safeties. Over-reliance on the heavy first trigger pull of a DA/SA to guard against a ND is a recipe for disaster. I don’t alter my level of diligence when handling firearms based on their safety systems, and, to my knowledge, nobody has won a gun fight or competition based on how quickly they can holster a firearm. If you’re using proper gear, once holstered, you should have no further concern about the safety of the firearm you carry.
I trust GLOCK’s Safe Action System and the fact that they are point-and-shoot simple, which is attractive to me in an EDC. As I mentioned previously, the P226 is a fine gun that will serve you well, and if it works for you as a carry gun, then by all means use it.
I have G19's, a 43, a shield 40, and a P365X, but my P239 is my favorite gun to carry for all the reasons you mentioned. I shoot it almost as well as my G19's. That's by measuring draw to first shot speed and also making hits at distance (40+yards). I can barely edge out the P239 with the G19. Not by much, it's fractions of inches and fractions of seconds difference. But I find the G19 to be bulky to carry. Fully loaded (15+1) it's like a half ounce heavier than the P239 fully loaded (8+1)
I don't know what it is, but the P239 just molds to my waistline and disappears. Despite the weight I literally forget it's there. I will notice the g43 and P365X when I carry them. But not the P239. I have PJ kydex holsters for all of my carry options.
I have a P226 and a 92FS with WC treatment and converted to a G with the beretta kit. I like the P226 as a bedside gun. It's outfitted with a light and laser. The 92 is by far my favorite gun to shoot of all my pistols, even 1911's, and it's my favorite gun to hold and admire as well. I could not carry either of the big DA/SA's unless it was OWB on a duty belt.
But for me also, DA/SA is the smartest way to carry and the Sig P239 is my black horse for that matter.
I don't know what it is, but the P239 just molds to my waistline and disappears. Despite the weight I literally forget it's there. I will notice the g43 and P365X when I carry them. But not the P239. I have PJ kydex holsters for all of my carry options.
I have a P226 and a 92FS with WC treatment and converted to a G with the beretta kit. I like the P226 as a bedside gun. It's outfitted with a light and laser. The 92 is by far my favorite gun to shoot of all my pistols, even 1911's, and it's my favorite gun to hold and admire as well. I could not carry either of the big DA/SA's unless it was OWB on a duty belt.
But for me also, DA/SA is the smartest way to carry and the Sig P239 is my black horse for that matter.
I really prefer DA/SA as well. Wish that the Army used the CZP07/P09 so I could suggest one to you.
DA/SA is great for carry. I carry Glocks but there is no question there is an additional factor of safety with a heavier DA trigger. I am a Beretta 92 fan and the Walther P99 is one of my favorite guns.
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The answer is simple: If you think holstering a Glock (striker gun without manual safety) is a problem, and you do not want a gun with a manual safety, then I recommend a gun with a consistent trigger pull. The DA/SA transition can be a real issue for people and it requires constant training. You must train the transition.
I moved away from DA/SA when I took my SIG P220 to class. I consistently shot extremely well either DA or SA. I even did well in drills starting DA and transitioning to SA. However, I fell apart when the timer was added. Suddenly, my second shot was hitting dirt or the C Zone. Things would return to normal once I realized where the hit went and settled down.
I find the HK LEM and Light LEM, along with SIG P2xx series set to DAO only to be a great solution. The HK offers a hammer that you can control during the holstering process.
I moved away from DA/SA when I took my SIG P220 to class. I consistently shot extremely well either DA or SA. I even did well in drills starting DA and transitioning to SA. However, I fell apart when the timer was added. Suddenly, my second shot was hitting dirt or the C Zone. Things would return to normal once I realized where the hit went and settled down.
I find the HK LEM and Light LEM, along with SIG P2xx series set to DAO only to be a great solution. The HK offers a hammer that you can control during the holstering process.
I personally prefer SA for carry but if I was going DA/SA I'd be choosing an HK USP 9 Compact, but that's just me. I would happy carry a P226 with just as much confidence.
My concern about full DA for EDC is that a true SD scenario could very likely necessitate a very quick trigger pull (not press, like at the range) which could very well result in a poor shot placement, at least for me. I don’t have a range where I can practice that type of full DA pull and shoot with live rounds. Closest would be from ready position.
I still sometimes carry my old Gen3 G26, love it and will never part with it but I’ve pretty much switched entirely up to hammer pistols for carry.
P2000 V3
P2000sk V2
P30 .40 V1
P30sk V1
I think my next carry pistol will be a CZ P-07, it checks a lot of boxes for me.
P2000 V3
P2000sk V2
P30 .40 V1
P30sk V1
I think my next carry pistol will be a CZ P-07, it checks a lot of boxes for me.
So I went to my LGS today and ordered the P226 MK25. They actually had a used tan one in stock but I wanted a black one. Didn’t even know they made a tan version.
Good choice 👍
Just because it’s holstered in Double Action Mode doesn’t mean you can’t cock the hammer fir the 1st shot.
Shooting the first shot while in Double Action should only happen when time doesn’t allow you to cock the hammer Or there is no real threat upon you. 👍
Just because it’s holstered in Double Action Mode doesn’t mean you can’t cock the hammer fir the 1st shot.
Shooting the first shot while in Double Action should only happen when time doesn’t allow you to cock the hammer Or there is no real threat upon you. 👍
Anyone who carries a Glock and is concerned about holstering safety should just put a Striker Control Device on it. They work.
That said, now that I'm carrying AIWB, I've come to love the DA/SA trigger.
That said, now that I'm carrying AIWB, I've come to love the DA/SA trigger.
Although I started my shooting and LE career as a revolver and 1911 guy, when we transitioned to Traditional DA pistols (DA/SA) I became quite comfortable with them for working guns. The 'transition' from DA to subsequent SA shooting - and decocking back to DA when done shooting - wasn't difficult for me, as it incorporated elements of both revolvers and SA pistols. Also, the decocking mechanism made it a safer manipulation than in cocked revolvers and 1911's. I have a fair number of TDA pistols I continue to carry in my retirement, even though I also own, use and carry a couple Glocks, M&P's and my 1911's.
Of course, acclimating to the TDA guns in those early days involved a lot of range time, which was helped along by becoming one of the range staff when we transitioned from service revolvers to TDA service pistols. Training, meaning both initial and recurrent, can help resolve a multitude of difficulties.
Today my primary retirement weapon choices remain DA/DAO revolvers, some striker-fired plastic and my collection of TDA 9's, .40's & .45's ... and my 1911's. They all get continued range use, too, so long acquired skills don't gather rust & dust too quickly.
Suit yourself. Train and practice accordingly.
Of course, acclimating to the TDA guns in those early days involved a lot of range time, which was helped along by becoming one of the range staff when we transitioned from service revolvers to TDA service pistols. Training, meaning both initial and recurrent, can help resolve a multitude of difficulties.
Today my primary retirement weapon choices remain DA/DAO revolvers, some striker-fired plastic and my collection of TDA 9's, .40's & .45's ... and my 1911's. They all get continued range use, too, so long acquired skills don't gather rust & dust too quickly.
Suit yourself. Train and practice accordingly.
There's more than one instance, and at least one video, of an LEO drawing a manual safety gun, which he fails to swipe, and starts pulling the trigger on a useless hunk of metal, while the bad guy proceeds to murder him. It's hard to watch. Probably watched it early in my career, say around 2000 or so.
I firmly believe you have to pick a platform and stick with it. If you want to carry a decocker/manual safety/DA-SA, you need a place where you can train with it from the holster. It's one of the reasons I can go from my Glocks to a revolver with little trouble (surprisingly, they point similar for me). If I suddenly had to tote a manual safety gun, I'd be a mess.
When I first started, we carried G-21's in the old Safariland SSIII holsters. We were drilled, continuously, to use the trigger finger to "clear" the top strap out of the way on reholstering. Once we went to the SLS/ALS style holsters, that was a non-issue.
A proper holster, and repetitive training, is required to carry ANY firearm safely. Striker fired pistols with no manual safety especially.
I firmly believe you have to pick a platform and stick with it. If you want to carry a decocker/manual safety/DA-SA, you need a place where you can train with it from the holster. It's one of the reasons I can go from my Glocks to a revolver with little trouble (surprisingly, they point similar for me). If I suddenly had to tote a manual safety gun, I'd be a mess.
When I first started, we carried G-21's in the old Safariland SSIII holsters. We were drilled, continuously, to use the trigger finger to "clear" the top strap out of the way on reholstering. Once we went to the SLS/ALS style holsters, that was a non-issue.
A proper holster, and repetitive training, is required to carry ANY firearm safely. Striker fired pistols with no manual safety especially.
That’s why I don’t trust the myself with a 1911. I haven’t trained with them enough to feel secure in the notion that I would get that safety off. Picking a platform a sticking to it has been my issue that I’m trying to correct with this move. I hope to move all my carry pistols to DA/SA and leave the rest for the range. I don’t see the need for a safety on a traditional DA/SA pistol and may have the decocker conversion kit fit to my M9.
I’ve been doing the same thing recently. I’m actually considering making my P229 DAK, .357Sig, a permanent EDC.
I have, even occasionally carry a DA/SA, P239, but they do require more trigger time if you are not a DA revo shooter. The transition from first shot DA to lighter SA often means a wasted, important first shot. So as long as you are putting in the range time, why not? Though I see no huge benefit.
I converted my PX4 to decocker only. Was easy and free, just punched out a detent ball and spring. Not sure if the 92 is that easy. Love it and my P-01.
I really wish there were DA-SA with decocker only guns the size and capacity of the 365, and LCP Max...
I really wish there were DA-SA with decocker only guns the size and capacity of the 365, and LCP Max...
I really like DA/SA hammer fired guns. I just enjoy them more than striker fired. Not saying I don’t or won’t CC a Glock, I have for decades. My current favorites for CC are classic Sig P series P229, P239 or CZ 75 decockers like the P-01/P-06. No safety, just the decocker. The CZs fit my hand better, but I like the decocker better on the Sig.
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