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#23 ·
if your looking for compatibility in ammo between a handgun and a carbine than the most common readily available long gun would be a lever action.

if your looking for something semi auto shooting a straight wall cartridge of minimum bore dia legal for hunting deer in straight wall states you may want to check out the 350 Legend in the AR platform.
 
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Caver 60 said:
Many decades ago, I got bit with the 'have a rifle that fires a handgun cartridge' bug. Bought a Marlin in 44 mag. Never cared for it and haven't shot it in about the same number of decades. It's now another one of my safe queens.

IMO, if you're going to tote a rifle, then get a rifle. You don't get that much extra boost out of shooting 44 mag in a rifle over my Ruger Super Blackhawk.

Just my two cents. worth.
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I kinda felt the same way but a 44 mag out of a rifle is a different animal than out of a pistol. I picked up a Ruger 44 carbine a few years ago, just because I found one reasonable priced and thought they were cool. I've since killed half a dozen deer with it, all one shot kills. I also bought a Marlin 94 in 44 mag as well and killed deer with i . Those big heavy bullets just slam deer. Fun little gun to develop loads for and hunt with.
 
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sig357fan said:
if your looking for compatibility in ammo between a handgun and a carbine than the most common readily available long gun would be a lever action.

if your looking for something semi auto shooting a straight wall cartridge of minimum bore dia legal for hunting deer in straight wall states you may want to check out the 350 Legend in the AR platform.
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The 350 Legend is an excellent cartridge. Ballistics are very similar to the 35 Remington which is my all time favorite "Deer Hunting" cartridge
 
#26 ·
Gino said:
I agree that the old IMI Timberwolf pump action is the way to go - a pump action shouldn't have feed issues due to rim lock. Just beef it up a little bit. IIRC, the Timberwolf had a problem with cracking around the wrist of the stocks.

I'd prob buy one...
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I like mine. It's pretty accurate and fun to shoot. I bought it used but unfired a few years ago.





But I think if you want a 357 semi the 350 Legend is a good if not better choice. Wide varirety of loads and available in the AR platform. Way better ballistics and mild recoil..
 
#27 ·
Borg Warner said:
The only Semi-Auto that I know of that has an issue shooting cast bullets is the Desert Eagle because lead and lube can clog the gas port and is hard to remove.
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IIRC, the manual recommends not using lead in the originals.
 
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ede said:
Rimmed cases are hard to feed for box magazines. Come up with a rimless 357 and feeding will improve but I doubt popularity.
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Somebody did come up with a rimless 357 way back in 1967. It was the 357 AutoMag and was basically a 308 rifle cartridge shortened and necked down and had ballistics that exceeded those of the 357 magnum but no other gun besides the AutoMag was ever chambered for the cartridge. A more recent development is the 9x25 Dillon which was capable of 357 velocities but uses .356 rather than .357 projectiles. Loaded with 147 grain XTP's, those bullets will hold together at velocities that exceed 9mm and even 357 Sig velocities with that bullet weight.

And then there's the 357 Sig itself which will duplicate 357 mag velocities but only with 125 grain bullets.
 
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Berto said:
.357 benefits quite a bit in rifle barrels, close to 30-30 win performance
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I suppose it depends on what you mean by performance. The .30-30 in my view is well beyond .357 magnum from a carbine, at least on paper.

.30-30 150-170 grain projectile energy is generally in the neighborhood of 1800-1900 ft/lbs at the muzzle.

By comparison, a 125 grain .357 can get up there (for a handgun cartridge) but most factory ammo is going to top off around 1100-1200 ft/lbs.

Downrange, the .357 will lose velocity faster. At 150 yards the projectile is still worthy, but drops significantly afterward.

A typical .30-30 projectile at 150 yards has also lost a lot of gas, but still retains about the same energy the .357 does at the muzzle.
 
#33 ·
I've always believed the max distance for deer hunting with a 357mag carbine is 100 to 150 yards. 100 yards being my limit. And of course with a round built to perform.
 
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0311INF said:
I suppose it depends on what you mean by performance. The .30-30 in my view is well beyond .357 magnum from a carbine, at least on paper.

.30-30 150-170 grain projectile energy is generally in the neighborhood of 1800-1900 ft/lbs at the muzzle.

By comparison, a 125 grain .357 can get up there (for a handgun cartridge) but most factory ammo is going to top off around 1100-1200 ft/lbs.

Downrange, the .357 will lose velocity faster. At 150 yards the projectile is still worthy, but drops significantly afterward.

A typical .30-30 projectile at 150 yards has also lost a lot of gas, but still retains about the same energy the .357 does at the muzzle.
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The best .357mag loads get even with typical 30-30 150 and 170gr loads. Loads like the leverevolution or best boutique types are better in 30-30. As range increases, the rifle bullet has advantages, but I'm guessing the pistol cal carbine wasnt sought for 150+ yard applications.
I choose 30-30 personally for anything hunting related with a carbine....best .357 isn't like autopistol rounds in carbines.

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#35 ·
I looked up some old chronometer measurements from testing a 180 grain gas checked lead bullet with 16.5 grains of Alliant Power Pro MP-300. I got 1405 fps from a 6" revolver and 1799 fps from a 20' lever gun. The difference seems more significant when you plug those numbers into a foot pounds calculator: 789 foot pounds for the pistol and 1293 for the rifle. I was trying to match Buffalo Bore numbers.
 
#36 ·
For me, the 357 just isn't the best choice for deer, even though it seems to work when the deer is within 150yards. I'd be happier with a caliber with more horse power.
 
#38 ·
Yes, it can be done; but now we are stuck with the Mauser approach that calls for rimless.

There was once an outfit proposing to convert Ruger Deerslayer .44s to box magazine .357s for police, back in the service revolver era. Nothing ever came of it.
 
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