[SargeMO]

Use ss-snek shot.

 

[Matteo1371]

I have 2000 reloads with 311 grain hard cast (21.6 Brinnel) flat points……using lil gun powder, Federal primers, Starline brass and gas checks.

44 is not something I shoot a lot of, therefore I don't really reload it much. When I do I load up what I want to shoot and burn through it. Magnum when shot is mostly from my R92. Enforcer, CCI 300 and a mix of my once fired brass, plated or cast(PC & GC) is the typical amalgam. But when I do carry a 44 its with the UA #742.

I spend far more time with 38, 357 and 327.

 

[treg]

Between compactness, reliability and K.I.S.S. there is no red dot on my "carry" pistols.
Hunting pistols - yes
CCW pistols - no

 

[Markm87]

45ACP is best because if you shoot it in a vineyard all the grapes just fall off the vines and it saves labor costs.

You risk bruising the fruit with all that powah!

 

[Matteo1371]

You risk bruising the fruit with all that powah!

But you are pre-stomping the grapes. Its the fast food method of wine making.

 

[Stantheman86]

My only beef with pistol dots was their horrendous unreliability in the early go. Every weekend my buddies would be hunched over their pistols trying to figure out where the little red dot went or heading to Ace Hardware to get different screws to make their plate system work.

Now I almost never see this unless a battery croaks. And direct mount dots are massively better at sitting low and not falling off.

The bad old days in the 1990s when match shooters had to keep spare Docter dots in their bag because they'd usually break one during a match

Now even my 80 buck cheapie Crimson Trace dot is 5000+ rounds going strong and hasn't lost zero. The "cheap" dots are now better than the top end stuff was 20+ years ago

Even lasers are advancing, a Crimson Trace Green Laser grip projects a beam that can probably be seen from space , way more visible then a red dot.

 

[Stantheman86]

Not trying to argue, but just pointing out that lasers were a trend that many LE agencies adopted in the early 2000s (I think), but that trend went away pretty quickly.

As for optics, I do believe it's a technology that is going to stay.

As an observation, I think younger people (or people of all ages, but not years of pistol experience) adapt easier to optics vs long time iron sight trained shooters.

In the LE world, higher qualification scores with optics would lend to the argument that optics are an effective tool. Training in the use of optics is the key.

The DC Police used Laser Max rod lasers back in the early 90s and the Crimson Trace grips were purchased in huge numbers by police officers on their own, because it was an allowable non permanent bolt on that could be used on issued guns. Before red dots were the norm a Laser Grip was pretty much it for any enhancement. I have a Gen 2 Glock 22 with an ancient LaserMax grip laser on it, that was peak technology in the early 90s

 

[racer88]

Laser Max rod lasers back in the early 90s

I got one of those. It was before I knew any better. I think I paid around $300! It was a POS. Sent it back for repairs / warranty. Got it back with the same problems (intermittent beam). Eventually ****-canned it.

 

[Stantheman86]

I got one of those. It was before I knew any better. I think I paid around $300! It was a POS. Sent it back for repairs / warranty. Got it back with the same problems (intermittent beam). Eventually ****-canned it.

I thought about getting one for retro nostalgia but I just play around with Crimson Trace stuff. I have a DC police trade in 17 I was going to put it in but there's really no need

I have read about nothing but problems with the Lasermax rods

 

[Markm87]

But you are pre-stomping the grapes. Its the fast food method of wine making.

I'm picturing I LOVE LUCY from the early 80s when they stomped the grapes.

 

[kriskienzle]

Ad hominem is the lowest form of logical fallacy and the last resort for someone who has no logical or cogent argument to make.

I do find it amusing and perplexing that some are "hell-bent" on disparaging pistol optics on the basis of ignorance and what seems to be simply a penchant for arguing for the sake of argument.

Don't like them? Don't use them. Pretty simple! Wildly illogical and unsubstantiated claims that "using a pistol optic will 'get you killed', or 'they don't work!'," is like saying, "I don't like classical music.... therefore it's invalid as music and has no value."

Another quote I like that my dad used to repeat, "Don't argue with success." And that goes both ways, eh?

Well said. I find them useful for vision issues I have. Back in the day I may have scoffed at them, but now they do have some value to me. Looking into lasik and maybe that corrects the issues. I'm hopeful, love shooting my open sights.

 

[ChrisD46]

I have been running a Holosun 407K on my HD gun (Glock 30) for over a year now. Yesterday, I made the decision to remove the red dot and went back to iron sight (Trijicon HD).

My reason for not running a red dot on my HD weapon is because, I feel that in a HD situation, the way you react and how fast you react is very important, and I feel that in a HD situation, 90% of the time, it will be a point and shoot scenario, intruder is probably within 5-10 feet, meaning a red dot will be pretty useless in my opinion.

I feel that a red dot is very useful for target practice and competition shooting, etc., but I feel like if my life is in danger, I will probably not have the time or the mindset to place the red dot on the target, instead, I will be pointing and shooting.

Some of you might be reading this and think I am a fool, but I feel like a red dot for a HD gun will just slow me down more. Yes, practice makes perfect, but I still cannot see the benefit of using a red dot for HD for a target that will be 5-10 feet away. Am I in the minority here or do we have others on here that share the same thought as me? Don't get me wrong, I still have red dot on my other range toys, I just feel that it's not needed for my HD gun.

For a HD gun - give me good iron night sights with a good weapons mounted flashlight !

 

[racer88]

Well said. I find them useful for vision issues I have. Back in the day I may have scoffed at them, but now they do have some value to me. Looking into lasik and maybe that corrects the issues. I'm hopeful, love shooting my open sights.

At age 61, I got my first set of prescription glasses. For several years I've needed "readers." I got tired of that and went for top-of-the-line progressives. What a difference! And with my glasses, I can now clearly see iron sights and an optic "dot," whichever gun I choose. But without glasses, I can see the "dot" and target clearly.

EDC:

Home defense (which has my very first optic):

 

[Cowboyfromhell]

I'm glad I never got into that fad....iron sights good enough for me especially on a carry piece. If I was at a shooting match, sure why not but I just dont need or want to add any "bulk" to my ccw.

 

[Matteo1371]

I'm picturing I LOVE LUCY from the early 80s when they stomped the grapes.

Funny, that‘s what was running through my mind when I said that. 😂

 

[ak103k]

Whats running through my mind is, you boys are about 25 years off on the date of that episode.

 

[Rocky7]

Well I have left the thread at least once BUT others have pulled me back in.

In Summary, If You cannot see you may have a problem. If You cannot hit what You are shooting at You may have a problem, if You cannot see your weapon and find it,it may be a bigger problem.


I do not see the value of claims of calibers fix the issues above. There may be some here that should not have a weapon, humor in lieu of skill often replaces abilities.

Although this Forum has adopted argument and the ability to declare a winner the goal, I would say games are the way they are scored. Life the ability To enjoy another day. This thread has wasted precious time.

 

[Rocky7]

Whats running through my mind is, you boys are about 25 years off on the date of that episode.

Yup. 1956 release date,

 

[Matteo1371]

Whats running through my mind is, you boys are about 25 years off on the date of that episode.

I know the episode was released back in 1956. As a kid I would watch it with my Mom. And she would tell me how much she loved it when she was a kid. I just assumed when Markm87 said the early ‘80s, he was referring to when he saw it in syndication.

 

[Blades]

The good thing about a red dot is you can see your iron sights through it. Turn your brightness down on your dot till it's barely visible, and you can use it as needed; you always have your iron sights. Best of both worlds!

Now you just have to worry about gripping your iron-sighted semi-auto pistol hard enough during an emergency so it doesn't misfire/jam(I'm sure everyone has seen the many videos of it happening). Maybe we should have stayed with revolvers instead of the new technology of the 1890s semi-autos.