[Leo Y]

 

[triggerjerk]

A review of the docket is informative.

Some highlights:
Sig moved for summary judgment and the judge denied it and set the case for a jury trial saying that the jury should see the experts' reports.
Sig moved to exclude the Plaintiff's witnesses. Plaintiff did the same.
Judge let Sig's experts remain. No decision was ever made regarding Sig's/defendant's motion to exclude the Plaintiff's experts that i could see (that motion was transferred to a magistrate judge which is common in federal court).
Then lo and behold the Plaintiff voluntary dismisses the case, admitting in the notice of dismissal (not a finding by the court) that the gun can only fire by the trigger being pulled. And it was NOT stipulated to, so for some reason the Plaintiff changed their tune on their own . . . fwiw

 

[JohnnyReb]

Without knowing everything its hard to say what happened. For X amount of dollars that could of been the agreement.

 

[walkinguf61]

I was just saying this thread is gonna go on forever. Pissing match, like caliber threads.

Chill, I meant no harm. Certainly nothing like you’re insinuating.

Sorry if my post came on a little stronger than I intended. Just saying there is no disagreement

 

[Deputydave]

What is the safety on a P320? What stops the 5-pound trigger from being pulled?

Other striker-fired guns have a trigger blade safety.

The trigger blade safety (dingus) on many striker-fired pistols is ONLY a drop safe mechanism i.e. it only prevents the trigger from being depressed from the inertia of a fall/impact. It isn't a safety in the sense of something like a thumb or grip safety. In order for the dingus to prevent the trigger from being depressed, the object (finger or FOD) would have to touch ONLY the sides of the trigger while not touching the dingus in any way. That simply doesn't happen in the real world. This is why, for example, Glock has had so many discharges over the years, including in the holster, that the term Glock leg was coined even though it has a dingus.

and the hammer-fired P250? Forgetable.

I've had a couple of them and quite liked them. But being DAO a lot of folks didn't have the skill set necessary to become proficient. That and the wonky rear sight!

I've usually been ambivalent to various plastic. (Yes, even the HK USP and subsequent models. )

That's just crazy talk!

 

[Kopper]

I guess it's back to the "which is better, 9mm vs 10mm vs 40 cal." discussion.

10mm is for men. 9mm is the ladies tee.

 

[FTMFXR]

I guess it's back to the "which is better, 9mm vs 10mm vs 40 cal." discussion.

Everybody know the 38 Special SWCHP+P-FBI+CIA-LGBTQXYZ+P++ trumps them all

 

[MarkCO]

Berrios voluntarily dismissed his action against SIG SAUER admitting in court filed documents that his P320 pistol has no defects and does not discharge without a trigger pull

Why in bold? Because it supports your opinion... If the same officer, not a firearms expert, said it WAS defective, you'd paint him as ignorant.

 

[DaleGribble]

One case dismissed, a new one in the making,with video that demonstrates a case of a P320 firing without a trigger pull...

 

[Deputydave]

Why in bold? Because it supports your opinion... If the same officer, not a firearms expert, said it WAS defective, you'd paint him as ignorant.

If you read the link in the OP you'd see that it was in bold there. I copy/pasted it from the page in the link. I don't mind you asking the question but the follow up of your statement is arrogant presumption on your part. How about simply asking the question and waiting for the answer rather than assuming what I might say.

 

[Deputydave]

One case dismissed, a new one in the making,with video that demonstrates a case of a P320 firing without a trigger pull...

Can you explain how you were able to look inside the holster in the video and determine that the trigger wasn't depressed by something?

 

[MaDef]

Not necessarily a bad thing when it comes to continually trying to make firearms as safe as humanly possible in function and operation.

Just how safe is that? keep in mind that **** Sapiens need constant reminders to not eat laundry soap, desiccant packets, and to remove wrappers from food before cooking or eating it.

Edit: someone needs to update the sensors around here.

 

[tomrkba]

Can you explain how you were able to look inside the holster in the video and determine that the trigger wasn't depressed by something?

Are you listening to yourself? Do you seriously expect us to believe that?

 

[Deputydave]

Do you seriously expect us to believe that?

Believe what? Do you believe he was able to look inside the holster by just watching a video? Can you see inside the holster in the video?

 

[MrS&W]

Why in bold? Because it supports your opinion... If the same officer, not a firearms expert, said it WAS defective, you'd paint him as ignorant.

If you read the link in the OP you'd see that it was in bold there. I copy/pasted it from the page in the link. I don't mind you asking the question but the follow up of your statement is arrogant presumption on your part. How about simply asking the question and waiting for the answer rather than assuming what I might say.

🍿🍿🍿

 

[jimcorbin]

Justice is green.

Justice for $um

 

[Cambo]

Believe what? Do you believe he was able to look inside the holster by just watching a video? Can you see inside the holster in the video?

So, in all the videos with guns going off in holsters, all of the holsters had something inside, just waiting to pull the trigger?

 

[Cambo]

The trigger blade safety (dingus) on many striker-fired pistols is ONLY a drop safe mechanism i.e. it only prevents the trigger from being depressed from the inertia of a fall/impact. It isn't a safety in the sense of something like a thumb or grip safety. In order for the dingus to prevent the trigger from being depressed, the object (finger or FOD) would have to touch ONLY the sides of the trigger while not touching the dingus in any way. That simply doesn't happen in the real world. This is why, for example, Glock has had so many discharges over the years, including in the holster, that the term Glock leg was coined even though it has a dingus.

The "dingus" is better than nothing. It's true of course, about the Glock discharges, but if everyone uses a dingus or a two-piece hinge trigger, why wouldn't SIG? That way, they could say their design was as safe as everyone else's striker system.

And you didn't answer my question about the single actions. Why use their manual safeties?

 

[walkinguf61]

Can you explain how you were able to look inside the holster in the video and determine that the trigger wasn't depressed by something?

The easy answer would be , tell us what the object could be, where it did not set it off before, pushed out by the trigger guard when reasserted.
Glock leg was usually occurred if a finger or a piece of cloth causing a string pull from the got into the trigger well when inserted.
If you are claiming a different object, then how likely would it push a trigger dingus instead of using friction along the side of the trigger. Because if it’s the friction theory, it means the Sig 320 would be more susceptible than other firearms with a trigger dingus.

 

[walkinguf61]

The trigger blade safety (dingus) on many striker-fired pistols is ONLY a drop safe mechanism i.e. it only prevents the trigger from being depressed from the inertia of a fall/impact. It isn't a safety in the sense of something like a thumb or grip safety. In order for the dingus to prevent the trigger from being depressed, the object (finger or FOD) would have to touch ONLY the sides of the trigger while not touching the dingus in any way. That simply doesn't happen in the real world. This is why, for example, Glock has had so many discharges over the years, including in the holster, that the term Glock leg was coined even though it has a dingus.



I've had a couple of them and quite liked them. But being DAO a lot of folks didn't have the skill set necessary to become proficient. That and the wonky rear sight!



That's just crazy talk!

Agree to disagree. The trigger dingus in the real world can prevent NDs from some string pulls where the “string “ falls along the side of the trigger but doesn’t enter the trigger well enough to reach the dingus . Example, officers who wear winter coats who catch their coat in the holster when they reholstered. Other things like long trigger or heavy trigger pulls also can help prevent that as well.