Morning Folks, Because I train with my carry ammo, (Federal HST 230gr +P) would it be beneficial to use a heavier recoil spring set up to cut down on slide battering when training, and then go back to the OEM spring for carry? My G30s has an OEM spring weight of 17 lbs I believe, and the heavier spring / guide rod set up is a 19 lb tungsten, thoughts?
Glock 30s recoil spring, slightly heavier, or factory
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This is an old thread and I apologize for bumping it back up but I have a question. I am also looking to replace the stock guide rod out for a heavy tungsten guide rod. I keep seeing the same comments "don't change it", "leave it stock", etc... So my question is, why leave it stock? But on an AR rifle, the same folks who says to leave it stock, will change almost every part out on their AR from the buffer spring to the buffer weight, etc. But why is it so frown upon when it's a glock?
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It's Glock Perfection, not AR Perfection. 😂
As long as it doesn't affect the reliability do whatever you like.
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Because the collective experience, not just with users but from Glock experience, indicates that stock is best for covering the widest range of usage scenarios.
If you are going by individual recommendations, those individuals might have less than 4 experiences to go off of .....
You can always go your own way- you might get away with it, and you testify that it works great, but it's not proven nor reliable by numbers.
If you are going by individual recommendations, those individuals might have less than 4 experiences to go off of .....
You can always go your own way- you might get away with it, and you testify that it works great, but it's not proven nor reliable by numbers.
The bolded. But how do we really know that it's not proven nor is it reliable? Because some reviews says that it's the best upgrade they did, while others is saying to just leave it stock. Then you see the other comments about the stock plastic guide rod breaking. Then you have Lenny (glock rep) recommending this product so now im just confused. I just don't know how a stainless steel guide rod or a tungsten one can be worse than the stock plastic one? and by the way, I'm not trying to argue with you, im just honestly curious as to why lots of folks is against it but will change out almost all the stock parts from their high end AR (DD, Lwrc, etc)?
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Not to sound like I’m contradicting myself. But Lenny is a salesman. Recommending something, portraying it as something you need or should get is how he makes his money. And FWIW cciman is correct. Generally speaking, or statistically speaking if you will a stock Glock tends to just work. But if you want to swap a part out. Go for it. It’s your gun, your money. You will either have good luck, or not. But as a recommendation. If you plan to swap parts out? Do it slowly part by part. That way when or if, issues begin, the diagnosis of what part could be to blame for the reliability issues will be straightforward.
Matteo is correct, if you're going to change parts, change just one at a time, then test fire a few mags worth to prove reliability. Personally I have changed every recoil spring in all 4 of my Glocks because I tend to shoot mostly +P or +P+ ammo and i want heavier than stock springs. This includes my Glock 26, 21, 40 and 29. I buy quality parts (mostly from Lenny!) and have had no issues. Thorough testing is a must if you intend to carry or use the pistol for self/home defense. It must be 100% reliable! Even one failure is a complete fail and the reason for the failure must be diagnosed and corrected before use. Then test again! This must done with each and every part changed.
You should also have a specific reason for changing parts! "Just because" is not a valid reason! Cosmetic is not a valid reason. If you are trying to improve performance in some way then there is no harm in doing so however, the testing of each part is vital so that the reliability is not compromised in any way! Glocks are pretty good pistols out of the box and they don't require a lot of upgrades!
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crkckr
You should also have a specific reason for changing parts! "Just because" is not a valid reason! Cosmetic is not a valid reason. If you are trying to improve performance in some way then there is no harm in doing so however, the testing of each part is vital so that the reliability is not compromised in any way! Glocks are pretty good pistols out of the box and they don't require a lot of upgrades!
Cheers,
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The answer to glocks, is keep changing parts till it quits working.
By putting the new parts in one at a time, and shoot it, if it works, then put in something else and shoot. sooner or later it probably start to malfunction back up and try something else. you might get it to work with all the parts. But can it be trusted for SD/HD Probably Not. I wouldn't trust it. For a range gun OK go for it.
By putting the new parts in one at a time, and shoot it, if it works, then put in something else and shoot. sooner or later it probably start to malfunction back up and try something else. you might get it to work with all the parts. But can it be trusted for SD/HD Probably Not. I wouldn't trust it. For a range gun OK go for it.
please explain why you wouldnt trust it for HD? The stock plastic guide rod has been known to break.
with the heavy tungsten guide rod, i have not heard of it breaking. most of the negative comments from it is that it causes malfunction.
so would i rather have a malfunction, where i can clear it or have a broken guide rod during a HD situation?
yes, both scenarios is bad for a HD situation, but i rather have a malfunction where i can clear it fast than to have a broken guide rod where i wont be able to fix it at that very moment. (99% of the folks out there will not be carrying an extra guide rod on them, myself included).
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First off, you don't want a malfunction anytime. If you do a lot of research on the OEM guide rod failures, you'll find in almost every incidence, that even though the rod cracked, or chipped, or actually broke, the gun continued to run. Consider also that guide rod breakages are not a very common event. Unless you're popping off 10's of thousands of rounds a year, you'll likely never wear one out, let alone break one. It's your money and your gun, and I've got no dog in this fight, but I think you're searching for a solution to a problem that may never present itself. Good luck.
you are correct! i have to admit i am wrong on this. i didnt look into this deep enough. i saw post of stock guide rod breaking and automatically think, "i dont want this to happen to me".
but after seeing your post, i decided to search up glock stock guide rod breaking, and turns out you can still fire with a broken guide rod but it's not recommended. so going off this, i will have to say a broken guide rod but still able to shoot will be a lot better than a malfunction during a HD situation.
Anyways, I have already purchase the tungsten guide rod from the glock store, so it's too late now. I will test it out and see if i like and and if it makes any difference.
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