[Angus99]

Hello All,

I’ve recently spent some time at the range with a friend’s FBI model Glock 19M. I just registered to share some information (and hopefully learn some as well). I’ve been lurking the boards and hopefully won’t repeat too much from previous 19M posts.

The 19M was the Gen 5 .…before there was a Gen 5. Per the FBI’s RFP for a new service weapon 10 years ago, Glock came up with the 19M just prior to the creation of the Gen 5, which received a number of 19M features.

The way a very few of these true FBI-used 19M models eventually made it to the public was that some were returned to Glock by the FBI, rebuilt (to varying degrees) and then resold to the public as new, in very limited quantities. There are varying degrees of being the “most legit” actual FBI-used 19M (see: Lipsey’s “fake” 19Ms).

So given that……It might be fair to say (at least from behind a keyboard) that confusion seems to have ruled the process of rebuilding FBI G19M’s at Glock USA. Mismatching the original blue label cases/SKUs to different rebuilt pistols, etc. I visualize an almost insurmountable stack of cases piled up to the roof as the gunsmith diligently works long into the night to meet an unreasonable deadline.

Sometimes happy mistakes can come from such circumstances. For example: original nDLC FBI internals being left in a rebuilt and subsequently remarketed G19. Perhaps the "keep DLC internals" process was originally ok’d by Glock, or perhaps it was a Friday and Happy Hour was looming and it’d be quicker for the gunsmith to not swap out perfectly good DLC parts. Either way, all I know is that the first extremely rare batch aside, no other rebuilt 19M’s with full nDLC original FBI internals seem to have been released to or discovered by the public.

If a 19M Gen 5 MOS (most recent 19M version) does not have AT MINIMUM all the following items, it (IMO) has no chance of being an actual FBI-used 19M:

nDLC Slide with double serrations reading both: “19M” & “Made in USA”
“Glock USA” on both sides of grip
Ameriglo Rounded sights, not squared
Ambi nDLC Slide Releases
Extended/rounded Mag release
Flared Mag Well , with “Moon scoop” cutout
nDLC internals (rarest of the rare actual FBI-used units)
Original FBI nDLC internals are numbered 33588 (Non-nDLC internals are numbered 39701)

The following 19M SKU notes are stolen from Glocollector and modified in my own words:

"The main internal difference that makes the Ms better is that original FBI contract spec guns come with the nDLC-coated internals. Historically, these guns with the nDLC internals have very rarely been released to the general public.

I've composed a list (attached below) of the M model SKUs that, so far, have been verified to contain the nDLC internals:

PM195F30A (verified)
PM195F7A2 (verified)
UM195F33A (verified)
UM195F32A (verified)

UM195F73A (claimed)

UM195F33AMOS (verified)
UMA195SK39MOS (debated)

UM195F30AD (verified-some)"
-----------------------------------------------------

The 19M I shot:

AHAA- serial #, UMA195SK39MOS SKU on blue label case, 39701 stamped commercial trigger arm, but with a black nDLC connector (??!!)
3x 15 rd mags
Sealed MOS 4-plate kit & tools
Sealed Owner’s Manual
Cleaning tools
Backstraps
Lock

So, in this instance, the UMA195SK39MOS unit did not have FULL nDLC internals; instead, it is the only case I’ve seen of an legit FBI 19M rebuild with mismatched internals....commercial non-DLC trigger arm from the Glock factory rebuild as expected…… but the black original FBI DLC connector appears to have been left in. I’ll ask the owner and see if hopefully they will provide a few more revealing

pics to be posted.

 

[cadillacguns]

I fired a borrowed 19M years ago in Reno NV.
Nice pistol, shot nice, and in the hand, it felt the same as a Gen2 G-19 to me.

 

[One_More_Glock]

I like the 19M
Buy some!

 

[L-2]

Post 1,
Thank you for the nice details and summary of differences/info.
Post 2,
I now have a few (four) Gen5 Glocks, but never personally saw or touched a G19M whether original or reproduction.
When I first got my first two Gen5 guns, a G17gen5 and a G19gen5, I remember commenting:

There was a difference in feel, but not so much to buy into the Gen5 just because of a slight difference in trigger feel or any of the other changes (no finger grooves; flared mag well; appearance; texture; whatever else).

I still think if someone has a Gen3 or Gen4 (or in Post 2's case, a Gen2) and those guns are working fine, there'll be no difference in performance for most users. If someone is wanting/needing to buy a new Glock, then it's a good reason/excuse to buy a Gen5. There could be some good reasons to buy or stay with a Gen3 or Gen4, on a case by case basis. It'll still come down to buying what one wants and "need" may have nothing to do with it.

 

[FireMedic-50]

Search results for query: 19M | Glock Talk

We have mentioned the 'M' a number of times.

 

[Angus99]

Search results for query: 19M | Glock Talk

We have mentioned the 'M' a number of times.

Ok!

 

[BBMW]

Does anyone sell and nDLC internal parts set?

 

[GIock]

Another “feature” of a real deal FBI 19M is the “M” stamped barrel.

Also, the original models did not have front slide serrations.

 

[TexasPOff]

Saw a few real 19M's recently carried by the real FBI ALERRT training unit guys that came down.





TXPO

 

[L-2]

Post 7,
I don't see any NDLC Glock parts list. I don't believe the parts are available to obtain; perhaps only available via a non-published parts list and probably to specific customers.

The other part I couldn't find is the "FBI" mag catch. That mag catch supposedly is a bit different from the Gen5 extended mag catch; perhaps more similar to the TangoDown/Vickers gen4/5 mag catch.

 

[Spartan24]

Post 7,
I don't see any NDLC Glock parts list. I don't believe the parts are available to obtain; perhaps only available via a non-published parts list and probably to specific customers.

The other part I couldn't find is the "FBI" mag catch. That mag catch supposedly is a bit different from the Gen5 extended mag catch; perhaps more similar to the TangoDown/Vickers gen4/5 mag catch.

Serendipitously enough, I just had an exchange with Glock today about the FBI mag catch part 33713. For those wondering here is a picture:

When I inquired where I could purchase one, this was the response:

Good Morning



This item is restricted by Glock for Government only.

If you are with the FBI you would contactFederal.POW@Glock.US

To order that item




Kind regards,
Michael Wade
Lead Customer Service Representative

A very kind way to say, “pound sand, peasant.”

 

[TexasPOff]

They actually came up with the FBI extended release back in the Gen4 era before the M or Gen 5 guns. I've been running them since then, I have them in all my Glocks and several more laying around. They were always called the FBI extended mag release. You didn't have to be FED to get them back then. Glockparts.com had tons of them. They decided to actually use them in the FBI M models when they specced them out.

They are raised to the same height as the thumb ledge, so you can't release the magazine by pushing down on the frame, with the pistol laying on it's left side.

TXPO

 

[TexasPOff]

Serendipitously enough, I just had an exchange with Glock today about the FBI mag catch part 33713. For those wondering here is a picture:
View attachment 1334229
When I inquired where I could purchase one, this was the response:

A very kind way to say, “pound sand, peasant.”

It's funny they said that considering it is the standard factory magazine catch that comes on the 19X. 😁 Glock and their silliness.

Reputable source for them. Same mag catch as the 33713, just a new/different number.

Glock Magazine Catch Reversible Extended +0.75, 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W Gen4, Gen5 & G19X

Check out the deal on Glock Magazine Catch Reversible Extended +0.75, 9mm, .357 SIG, .40 S&W Gen4, Gen5 & G19X at MGW

www.midwestgunworks.com

Here is another source for them.

Glock OEM Gen 4 & 5 Extended Magazine Release 17 19 19X 22 23 34 35 45 SP08794 | eBay

Glock OEM Extended Magazine Catch for Gen 4 and Gen 5 models 17, 17L, 19, 19X, 22, 23, 24, 26, 27, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39 and 45. Glock Gen4 Gen5 OEM Extended. Magazine Catch +0.75".

www.ebay.com

Glock should be mad at these places selling these FBI ONLY magazine releases. 😋


TXPO

 

[Spartan24]

It's funny they said that considering it is the standard factory magazine catch that comes on the 19X. 😁 Glock and their silliness.

Here is a source that seems to have a ton of them in stock. The ones he has listed are the 19X extended magazine release with the new part number. Same mag catch as the 33713, just a new number.

http://[URL][URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/112920528284

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TXPO

They don’t look the same to me.

 

[Spartan24]

Also, if someone has a Glock 19X MOS Davidsons Exclusive, I’d very much like to see if what was said in this write up is correct, that the 19X MOS exclusive comes with part 33713:

Davidson's Exclusive Glock 19X MOS with Threaded Barrel

A First Look at the Davidson's Exclusive GLOCK 19X MOS with Threaded Barrel

blog.galleryofguns.com

 

[One_More_Glock]

@matyoka

 

[Angus99]

I believe some non 19Ms have the mag release that is used on the FBI 19Ms

 

[L-2]

I did buy a couple of 8794 mag catches and, while extended, have a slightly sharper angle toward the front of the frontstrap. Oh well, it's not that big of a deal to me as I've had not trouble depressing even the standard height mag catch.

I'm just a bit sorry that simple part is "restricted" by Glock and I'm too cheap/frugal to spend money on a TangoDown/Vickers version, for something yet different (still not the same as a 33713):

Vickers Tactical GEN4 & GEN5 9mm/.40 Extended Magazine Release - GMR-003

TangoDown - Known for Vickers Tactical Upgrades for Glock. Our reputation for unique design and quality manufacturing of weapon components has earned us first choice when it comes to stepping into harm’s way.

tangodown.com

 

[V Gehts]

As far as I know,….33713 DOES NOT come standard on the 19X.,….(based on my own 19X)
the 8794 is standard on the 19X and is also considered “by Glock”,….the extended version.
This is the first I’m aware of the 33713…..and as seen in photo, definitely much thicker.

 

[Spartan24]

As far as I know,….33713 DOES NOT come standard on the 19X.,….(based on my own 19X)
the 8794 is standard on the 19X and is also considered “by Glock”,….the extended version.
This is the first I’m aware of the 33713…..and as seen in photo, definitely much thicker.

You’re right, it doesn’t come on the standard 19X. However, on the Davidsons exclusive 19X MOS it is noted as a feature.