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Looking for a recommendation on a 9mm pistol for someone with arthritis and is having issues pulling back the HK P30 slide . My thought is a tip up barrel design as they want to stay with a semi auto with the higher round capacity.

Any suggestions on a quality manufacture? I have seen some surplus Beretta 380's at $ 399 - but the user would like a 9mm.

Appreciate any input.
 
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Arthritis can also affect GRIP safety use... EZ would not be my choice then.

NOT familiar with all 9mm choices for autos since I mostly carry .45 (so I do have grip safety issues some days).

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How familiar are they with firearms?

Pulling the slide on a Beretta 380, while the barrel is tipped up, disassembles the gun. That's not what you want happening in a defensive situation.
Another fun fact about tip up barrel auto's - they don't have an extractor. So clearing a stuck case (rare) requires poking it out with a stick or cleaning rod.

Best bet would be to get a couple snap caps and take this individual to gun shop and have them rack various pistols.

Ultimately they might find they prefer a revolver. If that is the case try to steer them towards a 4 inch barrel revolver over a snubby. Snubbies are just not fun to shoot.
If this person will never put in the effort to get a CCW License and carry their pistol, I'd look into getting them a 410 or 20 gauge shotgun for home defense or pistol caliber carbine.
 
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The S&W EZ models are good suggestions. I’d also suggest the Ruger Security 380: easy to rack and operate. That’s the gun I would want my mom to buy.

You might also look at the Sig P365-380 for a gun that’s relatively easy to operate and shoots softly.

I don’t know of tip-up barrel options in 9mm. I don’t think those would be the best option anyway. Hand and wrist issues don’t stop at the ability to operate the gun but also at the ability to shoot accurately and safely, quickly. And that requires control over the recoil. I read a lot of comments on gun review videos of folks with hand/wrist issues gravitating towards easy-to-operate and lower-powered cartridges like 380 and .22LR. Because while they might be able to load and operate a gun without issue, the recoil really hurts them.

Lastly, a Ruger LCR in .22LR would be a great alternative to a semiauto, if that’s necessary.
 
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trucker-chase said:
The S&W EZ models are good suggestions. I’d also suggest the Ruger Security 380: easy to rack and operate. That’s the gun I would want my mom to buy.

You might also look at the Sig P365-380 for a gun that’s relatively easy to operate and shoots softly.

I don’t know of tip-up barrel options in 9mm. I don’t think those would be the best option anyway. Hand and wrist issues don’t stop at the ability to operate the gun but also at the ability to shoot accurately and safely, quickly. And that requires control over the recoil. I read a lot of comments on gun review videos of folks with hand/wrist issues gravitating towards easy-to-operate and lower-powered cartridges like 380 and .22LR. Because while they might be able to load and operate a gun without issue, the recoil really hurts them.

Lastly, a Ruger LCR in .22LR would be a great alternative to a semiauto, if that’s necessary.
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Shooter is trying to stay with the 9mm - ammo costs is one of them..


nudges said:
A da/sa gun with an external hammer might be worth looking at. Racking the slide can be a two step process. 1) cock the hammer and 2 rack the slide.

i dont know how much it would help, but the strength needed is theoretically less as its divided across two steps.
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I had made that suggestion also - and it did help somewhat. The P30 is a DA/SA with external hammer.
 
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nra-life-member said:
Shooter is trying to stay with the 9mm - ammo costs is one of them..




I had made that suggestion also - and it did help somewhat. The P30 is a DA/SA with external hammer.
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If you are looking at HKs, the vp9 match comes with two RSA. “Standard” and weak. I believe the purpose of the weak one is so it can cycle with underpowered loads.

If HK offers a similar RSA for the p30, that might help, too. Probably cause some extra wear on the gun if its used with full pressure ammo. But that might be a trade-off a person would be willing to accept. Especially if all the gun’s guts remain 100% HK supplied.
 
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nra-life-member said:
Looking for a recommendation on a 9mm pistol for someone with arthritis and is having issues pulling back the HK P30 slide . My thought is a tip up barrel design as they want to stay with a semi auto with the higher round capacity.

Any suggestions on a quality manufacture? I have seen some surplus Beretta 380's at $ 399 - but the user would like a 9mm.

Appreciate any input.
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Kinda answering your question, kinda not.
all HK’s, yes your P30 will auto forward when you insert a loaded magazine with determination. I don’t mean to overly rough with it but kinda slam it in. It will 100% auto forward!!!!!! I think it’s a positive and “feature” (I use that term loosely) on HK’s.
 
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nra-life-member said:
Looking for a recommendation on a 9mm pistol for someone with arthritis and is having issues pulling back the HK P30 slide . My thought is a tip up barrel design as they want to stay with a semi auto with the higher round capacity.

Any suggestions on a quality manufacture? I have seen some surplus Beretta 380's at $ 399 - but the user would like a 9mm.

Appreciate any input.
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The tip-up barrel pistols from Beretta, EAA, etc. are blowback & .380 is about the biggest caliber you can do in a blowback pistol. 9mm pressures require a locked-breech and no-one has engineered a locked-breech tip-up barrel. That's why you can find them in .380 but no 9mm.
 
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I am not yet arthritic enough to need it, but I bought one of these out of curiosity.
www.amazon.com

Amazon.com : Handi-Racker Slide Rack Assist Gun Tool-Easily Rack Your Semi-Automatic Handguns, Clear Jams, Chamber Rounds, & Field Stripping. Rack Your Pistol with Limited Hand Strength. 2 Sizes! : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : Handi-Racker Slide Rack Assist Gun Tool-Easily Rack Your Semi-Automatic Handguns, Clear Jams, Chamber Rounds, & Field Stripping. Rack Your Pistol with Limited Hand Strength. 2 Sizes! : Sports & Outdoors
www.amazon.com

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How did it work for you?
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Obviously it will take some practice to get smooth with it and you must take care not to sweep your hand, but it lets you throw your weight against the recoil spring, so as long as you can hang on to the butt of the gun, it will ease loading considerably.
 
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Jim Watson said:
I am not yet arthritic enough to need it, but I bought one of these out of curiosity.
www.amazon.com

Amazon.com : Handi-Racker Slide Rack Assist Gun Tool-Easily Rack Your Semi-Automatic Handguns, Clear Jams, Chamber Rounds, & Field Stripping. Rack Your Pistol with Limited Hand Strength. 2 Sizes! : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : Handi-Racker Slide Rack Assist Gun Tool-Easily Rack Your Semi-Automatic Handguns, Clear Jams, Chamber Rounds, & Field Stripping. Rack Your Pistol with Limited Hand Strength. 2 Sizes! : Sports & Outdoors
www.amazon.com

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How did it work for you?
 
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nra-life-member said:
Looking for a recommendation on a 9mm pistol for someone with arthritis and is having issues pulling back the HK P30 slide . My thought is a tip up barrel design as they want to stay with a semi auto with the higher round capacity.

Any suggestions on a quality manufacture? I have seen some surplus Beretta 380's at $ 399 - but the user would like a 9mm.

Appreciate any input.
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No one makes a tip-up barrel in 9mm.
He needs to settle for a 380. It is a good enough defensive round.
 
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smoothshooter said:
It is a good enough defensive round.
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If the choice is I can’t use the gun or I need to use a .380, I’d take the .380 100% of the time!

My wife carries one of these. It’s a pretty good little shooter. Girsan MC14-T.
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