Until I can decide on what 12 gauge pump I want for HD - I use a 12 gauge O/U shotgun with a 28” barrel and skeet chokes (equivelant to a 26” barrel semi - auto or pump 12 gauge) . I’ve added a 6 round saddle to the stock and jokingly call my set up : “ My slower loading 2 shot semi - auto 12 gauge” . What I have is better than not having a shotgun for HD and with practice loading the O/U from the 6 round saddle on the stock behind cover is a little faster than once thought it would be . My point is if a O/U 12 gauge shot gun is all you have for HD - then add a 6 shot saddle on the stock and practice loading to increase speed and reliability of your reloads . Two rounds already in the chamber with 6 more rounds in the saddle on the stock at the ready give you 8 rounds ready to put into action should the need arise … Better than a “sharp stick to the eye” until I decide on what 12 gauge pump I want !
Double Barrel 12 Gauge as a Tactical Shotgun ?
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I have 2 double barrels, a Rossi Overland coach gun that I used for SASS cowboy action shooting and an old Jensen & Sons that is a worn out family heirloom that will never fire another round. Neither of these guns have or will ever see defensive duty use. For defense, I have a plethora of various pumps and autos around the house that fill that role. I don’t like the idea of being limited to 2 rounds, no matter what ”statistics“ say I may need in a home defense shooting. If I only need 1 or 2 shots, great. However, I like knowing my Mossberg 590 still has an additional 7 rounds I can bring to the fight if need be.
But, your gunfight will be your own. Neither your instructor, myself or even your bartender or barber with their advice will be there to fight it for you. If you believe a double barrel is all you need, go forth to your hill with full conviction. As for me, I’ll die on my hill with what I see as a far better choice than a double barrel because that’s my opinion.
But, your gunfight will be your own. Neither your instructor, myself or even your bartender or barber with their advice will be there to fight it for you. If you believe a double barrel is all you need, go forth to your hill with full conviction. As for me, I’ll die on my hill with what I see as a far better choice than a double barrel because that’s my opinion.
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*Doesn't a Mossberg 500 have just as many aftermarket accessories / options as a Remington 870 ?
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I think it does best I could ever tell. Just about everything I see offered for an 870 in the way of stocks and fore ends, they offer one for Mossberg as well.
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No… For one thing, you can’t easily add an extended magazine tube. You’d need to change the entire magazine tube assembly and barrel.
With the 870 you just remove the cap and spring, add a longer spring and tube extension and a clamp.
the Mossy is a fine gun, but it pretty much is what it is…
You can upgrade stocks and whatnot, but functional changes are much harder.
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Have you heard about Mossberg 590? Adding a mag extension to it is very easy, same as 870.
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I have an 870 and a 590. They are both simple, rugged and fool proof, but I think the 500/590 has more upsides
I'm left handed, so YMMV.
The safety is much easier to manipulate and identify immediately from the shooting position on a mossberg.
The action release on the 870 is forward of the trigger guard; you have to take you finger out of trigger guard and reach kind of far with your strong hand to manipulate it or identify if the gun is in battery (fired yet) or not.
The mossberg bolt release is more or less behind the trigger guard. It can be manipulated right there near the trigger with either your middle finger or trigger finger and it is not a reach to do so.
The mossberg lifter stays up and clear when the action is in battery. This is useful to identify if you have another shell in the tube, or if you see the follower it identifies your tube is dry. Also, the lifter being clear makes it easier to load shells; you do not have to press a spring-loaded lifter to load each shell like on an 870. The mossy creates no pinches on your shell loading thumb.
Lastly, the lifter being out of the way makes aftermarket options available to shoot shorty shells in the mossberg. 870...not so much. No way to make shorty shells cycle with the full Remington lifter.
If you don't think shorty shells pack a punch, try some. They'd put someone down at household distances, especially the slugs. And being only 1.75" you can load like 12 or so in a 18.5" barrel with full length mag tube.
I'm left handed, so YMMV.
The safety is much easier to manipulate and identify immediately from the shooting position on a mossberg.
The action release on the 870 is forward of the trigger guard; you have to take you finger out of trigger guard and reach kind of far with your strong hand to manipulate it or identify if the gun is in battery (fired yet) or not.
The mossberg bolt release is more or less behind the trigger guard. It can be manipulated right there near the trigger with either your middle finger or trigger finger and it is not a reach to do so.
The mossberg lifter stays up and clear when the action is in battery. This is useful to identify if you have another shell in the tube, or if you see the follower it identifies your tube is dry. Also, the lifter being clear makes it easier to load shells; you do not have to press a spring-loaded lifter to load each shell like on an 870. The mossy creates no pinches on your shell loading thumb.
Lastly, the lifter being out of the way makes aftermarket options available to shoot shorty shells in the mossberg. 870...not so much. No way to make shorty shells cycle with the full Remington lifter.
If you don't think shorty shells pack a punch, try some. They'd put someone down at household distances, especially the slugs. And being only 1.75" you can load like 12 or so in a 18.5" barrel with full length mag tube.
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He is correct about the 500, the barrel to magazine attachment is different from the 590 so it requires a different magazine and barrel to change the capacity. On the 870 you also have to drill out the magazine dimples on the newer ones to put on an extension.
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I’ve heard about them… Haven’t handled one.
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Took me about 5 minutes to remove the dimples…
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He mentioned Mossy in comparison to 870, without reference to a particular model, correct?
I own all three of them: 870, 500, 590 (even four if we add Maverick 88 to the list). The Mossberg siblings are much easier to maintain and field strip. Mossberg lifter and extractors are better design (I've got to admit Rem's single extractor didn't give me any problems yet). I prefer 500/590 tang safety over the cross bolt, but it's not a big of a deal, honestly. The only positive moment for 870 is that her action was smooth as silk right from the box and she doesn't rattle when handling. My 38 y.o. Moss 500's action is as smooth as the 870's, but it came with extensive use. The biggest con for the 870 is that she is the least weatherproof shotgun in my entire collection (I've got quite few of them) and will rust even if you leave her in front of a TV playing "Aquaman".
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The 500 was mentioned specifically, which is why I made that post. I too am a Mossberg fanboy. I have a 590 and my 500 is my prize shotgun, my wife bought it for me as a gift right after we married and I sent it to Vang Comp to get the treatment. It tightens the pattern on any brand of buckshot and they slicked up the internals so it runs really smooth. It began life as a 20 inch barrel with a seven shot magazine but I shortened it to the 18 inch barrel and with the 5 shot tube to keep it a bit shorter. I have the 590 with the longer barrel and magazine if I need a shotgun with more capacity and that one has interchangeable choke tube so I can tighten things up almost as good as the Vang Comp. I recently acquired a 590 Shockwave and I am considering doing a Form 1 on it so I can add a stock, we will see.
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that's what crooked joe recommends so it must be good. I prefer benelli semi autos.
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I have two shotguns placed where I can get to them easily but out of sight.
I guess I will have to move one to a higher location, we have a 14 month old grand daughter, that is getting around very good. I know she couldn't pump it yet but why not move it.
The other one is in my garage. I have a Screen that is mounted just outside the door to keep bugs out , and also slow down intruders.
I guess I will have to move one to a higher location, we have a 14 month old grand daughter, that is getting around very good. I know she couldn't pump it yet but why not move it.
The other one is in my garage. I have a Screen that is mounted just outside the door to keep bugs out , and also slow down intruders.
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I'm not a lawyer, but if my life is in such jeopardy that I need to shoot someone it's not going to be with a rubber bullet.
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I think that the video shows if you practice enough with what you have you can be effective with it. I know you aren't always going to have a belt with ammo on it and you might be limited to what you have in the gun, but he certainly has a good process for making it work for him when he does.
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