[TorchRedZ06]

All,

Getting ready for a trip (from Texas) and it appears that the standard 17 round magazine in my G17 is illegal in New Mexico and in Colorado. It appears based on some quick research that Colorado is 15 rounds and New Mexico is 10.

For New Mexico, I ran across this verbiage which appears to read that IF the gun itself can accept a magazine with more than 10 rounds is illegal. I may be wrong but here is the wording I found. Does this mean a Glock 17 is illegal in New Mexico or do I just need a 10 round mag?

Senate Bill 116 by Sen. Carrie Hamblen (D-Las Cruces) banned anyone under the age of 21 from possessing any automatic or semi-automatic firearm, including any firearm capable of accepting a standard capacity magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, with limited exceptions. It also banned anyone under the age of 21 from purchasing these same firearms. Left pending in second committee after hearing.

I haven't found any info for Colorado as to whether a gun that can accept is illegal or just don't be cause with a magazine bigger than 15 rounds.


I know the devil is in the details. If anyone lives in either state and would like to chime in on the G17 would be appreciated. If I can't take it I may have to take one of my wheel guns.

 

[Taz]

So not a lawyer nor a NM resident so YMMV. I read your excerpt as folks under 21 can't posses auto to semi-auto or anything that can hold more than 10 rounds. Not folks over 21. However, you should look up the actual law verbiage to be sure. My handy dandy USCCA app still shows no Mag or ammo limits. Colorado shows as no more than 15 rounds, but there are some asterisks there as a couple of cities have or are looking at more limits.

In the end you're going to need to spend some quality time reading through the actual laws to be certain.

 

[Zardos]

I live in Colorado, The way the mag ban is worded makes it a complete joke. If you claim you owned it before July 1 2013 its grandfathered in and the burden of proof to prove otherwise falls on the prosecution. In the 10 years this unconstitutional law has been in place only a dozen or so cases have been tried and that's because they admitted they knowingly broke the law.
My brother lives in NM and as far as I know they have no limits for anything if you are 21 or older as stated above.
So I would not worry but if you are uneasy or in doubt then get a 15 rd mag or carry one of your wheel guns.

 

[Mountain10mm]

I have never heard of anyone being charged in CO with a hi-cap magazine crime that wasn't charged with felony of some other sort. I.e. if you don't hold up a store with your G17, you won't have an issue. In others words, it's treated as an add-on offensive. When the law was first introduced here, about 2/3 of the state's LE organizations signed petitions saying they wouldn't enforce it...and haven't. The only people that play by the rules are licensed FFL's because they have to. You can't buy a new 16+ round magazine here, well, not kinda not really. Many gun stores sell magazine "repair parts kits" that include all the parts for a high-cap mag.

I shoot competitions with LE, no one cares. Honestly. And the law specifically states that you can't "sell, transfer, or possess" a high capacity magazine that you didn't own before July 1, 2013. However, the law also states the burden of proof is on the prosecution that your magazine was manufactured after July 1, 2013. In other words, the DA has to prove your magazine was manufactured after July 1, 2013 for the law to be enforced. You don't need to prove it. Don't bring date stamped mags here that say 2019, etc. G17 mags were around LONG before 2013. If you want to read it yourself it's CRS 18-12-302.

 

[Julius Seizure]

I live in Colorado, The way the mag ban is worded makes it a complete joke. If you claim you owned it before July 1 2013 its grandfathered in and the burden of proof to prove otherwise falls on the prosecution. In the 10 years this unconstitutional law has been in place only a dozen or so cases have been tried and that's because they admitted they knowingly broke the law.
My brother lives in NM and as far as I know they have no limits for anything if you are 21 or older as stated above.
So I would not worry but if you are uneasy or in doubt then get a 15 rd mag or carry one of your wheel guns.

+1
Colorado resident here and it is legal to possess and carry hi-capacity magazines. It is supposed to be illegal to purchase anymore but the law is so poorly written it isn’t enforced by the LGS. The ONLY people that follow that ridiculous rule are out of state shippers and big box store chains (cabelas, Scheel’s). You’re good to go with 17 rounds.

Can’t speak to NM but would be shocked if they had a draconian magazine ban.
Safe travels

(be careful if you end up in Pueblo or Aurora, CO)

 

[CDW4ME]

If I can't take it I may have to take one of my wheel guns

In this case, get a different magazine.
If that were not an option we would just buy a semi designed for 10 rounds (Sig 365, Glock 26).
We do not resort to carrying revolvers (6-7 rounds) when greater capacity options are available.

I optimistically said we but realize that I can't force people to do it right.

 

[Z71bill]

I live in Colorado, The way the mag ban is worded makes it a complete joke. If you claim you owned it before July 1 2013 its grandfathered in and the burden of proof to prove otherwise falls on the prosecution. In the 10 years this unconstitutional law has been in place only a dozen or so cases have been tried and that's because they admitted they knowingly broke the law.
My brother lives in NM and as far as I know they have no limits for anything if you are 21 or older as stated above.
So I would not worry but if you are uneasy or in doubt then get a 15 rd mag or carry one of your wheel guns.

Does this also apply to someone that moved to or traveled to Colorado yesterday?

Or does it mean if you lived their at the time the law passed you could keep your standard capacity mags?

It has been a while but I thought Denver had its own 10 round limit.

 

[Zardos]

Does this also apply to someone that moved to or traveled to Colorado yesterday?

Or does it mean if you lived their at the time the law passed you could keep your standard capacity mags?

It has been a while but I thought Denver had its own 10 round limit.

Everything in Colorado is so effed up since they did away with the preemptive law. Cities and counties can pass their own laws.
The peoples republic of Boulder passed a 10 round limit. Here are the Colorado gun laws according to Wikipedia, It seems visitors are exempt as long as they comply by the laws of their home state. Pretty sure new residents are exempt as well but like I said it's a mess and a joke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Colorado

 

[Julius Seizure]

Everything in Colorado is so effed up since they did away with the preemptive law. Cities and counties can pass their own laws.
The peoples republic of Boulder passed a 10 round limit. Here are the Colorado gun laws according to Wikipedia, It seems visitors are exempt as long as they comply by the laws of their home state. Pretty sure new residents are exempt as well but like I said it's a mess and a joke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Colorado

Spot on. The only county I’d worry about is Boulder county and it’s pretty much ****ing Pluto anyway so no need to go there

 

[Glolt20-91]

Arizona accepts concealed permits from all other states. Magazine limits in other states can be fluid at best. I only travel in other states that have a reciprocal CCL agreement with Arizona, even then, it's typically one 1911 and one revolver, one on the hip and the other in a laptop carry case.

The Navajo Nation is a separate law enforcement entity, I'm not current on their gun laws. At one time, if traffic stopped by a Tribal LEO, one needed to show proof of ownership in addition to any other legal requirements...the Navajo Nation lies within the four corner states; Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah.

 

[The Night Rider]

We do not resort to carrying revolvers (6-7 rounds) when greater capacity options are available.

6 round revolver V. 7round 1911, which do you pick.

 

[The Night Rider]

Arizona accepts concealed permits from all other states.

Given, the OP specified Colorado and New Mexico how is this relevant?

 

[Julius Seizure]

Given, the OP specified Colorado and New Mexico how is this relevant?

I believe he was just referring to the 4 corners component and its different rules everywhere you go. He could have a 21 round mag in AZ and even though CO and AZ reciprocate permits, the magazine would essentially be illegal to purchase in CO, let alone if you bump into an Indian Reservation.
My interpretation anyways

 

[The Night Rider]

I'm not a lawyer (and I don't want to be one) but if I understand Colorado's law if you bought it legally wherever you live you can bring it to Colorado as long as you don't sell it or give it away

 

[Glolt20-91]

Given, the OP specified Colorado and New Mexico how is this relevant?

....and to be exact, the OP (3 total GT posts) didn't specifically ask about...any exceptions.

....and specifically, cognitive brain function, even at an old age, knows the Navajo Nation boundaries lie w/i the four specified corner states, and it's just that, a Nation with its own laws and law enforcement. Others may or may not think this is important, but specifically, don't get off I-40 when driving w/i the Navajo Nation; for those who choose to visit the many cultural, scenic, tourist attractions; specifically follow all laws w/i the Nation in addition to the laws of the four specified states...including reciprocity CCL agreements, of which, Arizona accepts all.

 

[GlockFuMaster]

New Mexico doesn't have any mag capacity bans. It is the last state that would. That's what new mexico is known for, machine guns and high capacity. You have no issue here. Also, in NM you are allowed to have any kind of firearm inside the vehicle in any condition. Open carry is legal, ant it honors CCW permits from other states. However, none of those apply when you are inside your vehicle, or the firearm is inside your vehicle. Anyone inside the vehicle can carry a firearm. As far as I know, it is any vehicle, not just those registered in New Mexico. Vehicles are considered like homes.

 

[unit1069]

Arizona accepts concealed permits from all other states. Magazine limits in other states can be fluid at best. I only travel in other states that have a reciprocal CCL agreement with Arizona, even then, it's typically one 1911 and one revolver, one on the hip and the other in a laptop carry case.

The Navajo Nation is a separate law enforcement entity, I'm not current on their gun laws. At one time, if traffic stopped by a Tribal LEO, one needed to show proof of ownership in addition to any other legal requirements...the Navajo Nation lies within the four corner states; Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona and Utah.

Thanks for the heads up. A few years ago I went directly through the Four Corners and never thought about any firearms restrictions until Antelope Canyon.
I've recently thought about going back to the area so now I know to take copies of ownership with me.

 

[Julius Seizure]

Thanks for the heads up. A few years ago I went directly through the Four Corners and never thought about any firearms restrictions until Antelope Canyon.
I've recently thought about going back to the area so now I know to take copies of ownership with me.

We road tripled to ten Grand Canyon last summer from CO and it never even crossed my mind. I’m sure I was in violation of a tribal law or two regarding firearms. Good heads up for sure

 

[Glolt20-91]

I have not researched the Zuni (Arizona/New Mexico); however, I would do an in-depth study of their firearm laws, if any, before entering the Pueblo of the Zuni with a firearm, they are a traditionalist culture.

Zuni Tribe of the Zuni Reservation, New Mexico

naair.arizona.edu

There are some remote areas on the North Rim that aren't visited very often, vast expanses of wildflowers during the spring. West of Fredonia there's a dirt road that goes to Toroweap, which is located on the North Rim about two miles up river from Lava Falls (drops about 25 feet for rafters). There's a side road that drops down into Hack Canyon, 4x4 with clearance advised, nothing technical) that leads into Kanab Creek/Canyon, which in turn leads into the Grand Canyon/Colorado River. The red rock of Kanab Canyon changes color during the day as sunlight angles change, from day to week to seasons; it's a remarkable area to explore.

Should adventurous types have time to explore and want to visit Toroweap, this can also be accomplished from the I-15 St. George area across the Arizona Strip, since those with CCL from other states are acceptable here, feral hogs can be found (infrequently) w/i the Arizona Strip, which is the area north of the Grand Canyon, which has very remote overlooks, no cell phone service. Back country roads in this area are best served with experienced off-road groups, well stocked food/water/fuel and well prepped 4x4 vehicles, satellite communications. Monsoon rains can turn hard clay packed dirt roads into slimy, snot slippery mud road roads, lots of fun and challenging (from personal experience) for those who are prepared.

Properly inspected and properly cooked around a campfire makes for a tasty ham meal from a successful handgun hunt in the wilderness.

Link is for all audiences,

https://a-z-animals.com/blog/feral-hogs-in-arizona-where-do-they-roam-and-are-they-dangerous/

Hi-cap G20sf, handloaded 200gr WFNs ~1200fps for straight line shooting through a thick brush environment and penetrating 4+ inches of hard/dried range cow leg joint l>r This is my preferred hog load on the ranch, however, when our female GSD flushes one out of dense mesquite brush, both are at a full sprint, and she is too close to hog for me to take a shot.

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Spend a week in this environment with family and friends, kids will share this type of experience with their kids, I've witnessed people overwhelmed with emotion seeing the immensity/beauty of these remote overlooks of the Grand Canyon North Rim for their first time visits.

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[MarkCO]

It seems visitors are exempt as long as they comply by the laws of their home state.

Incorrect.