[cfr]

CZ Shadow 2 is a way better pistol for similar money.

thank— Rival S can be had at sportsman’s for $850 if you can time it right. Not a huge difference but not wanting an S2 for other reasons as well.

 

[TacticalSpeed]

Good to hear. I’ve seen lots of videos and read lots of forum posts about issues, but also read plenty of others with people that share your experience. My very unscientific findings are it’s about 50/50.

Too many folks out there just trying to get clicks

 

[Halo isfor Kids]

thank— Rival S can be had at sportsman’s for $850 if you can time it right. Not a huge difference but not wanting an S2 for other reasons as well.

Cz shadow 2 are available for $948 shipped right now. I would definitely buy the shadow 2 for $100 more than a rival s just due to aftermarket support.

 

[Halo isfor Kids]

I've been really wanting a poly rival or walther pdp with a trigger upgrade. Those triggers are amazing.

 

[KillerCroc]

Walther pdp has a very similar trigger and with literally a few bucks in springs it’s better and you will have phenomenal customer service in comparison.

But is it better than a VP9 with a spring kit? No.

 

[Hoss]

Which pistol do you shoot best? I have not shot the Canik you’re considering so I can’t give you input on that particular gun. I have shot the VP9 and H&K did a good job on that gun and trigger. I appreciate a good trigger but it is not the only determining factor for me in a decision to buy a gun. I own other H&Ks and their triggers leave a lot to be desired but their guns are great shooters and well made. I have only had one warranty issue over the years with an H&K and they took care of it w/o any problem. Depending on how you shoot both and if all is equal to you then go with your inclination. If it were me and it was all equal in all regards I would go with the pistol I shoot the best… especially if I were going to shoot it competitively. Good luck with your decision.

 

[Para-bellum]

But is it better than a VP9 with a spring kit? No.

I prefer Walthers triggers by a large margin but that is subjective. The PDPs grip returns to zero with an optic better then any other polymer pistol. It’s not my favorite but it’s certainly up there. I had an optic ready vp9 but sold it. It was nice but nothing wowed me. I prefer Hks hammer fired pistols.

 

[cfr]

Cz shadow 2 are available for $948 shipped right now. I would definitely buy the shadow 2 for $100 more than a rival s just due to aftermarket support.

But I want an OR model— The cheapest I’ve seen those for is $1200. Then there’s the fact that I want backup iron night sights (at least the front). I know some disagree w this, but Im set on them. I’ve looked and can’t find them for an S2 (after all, it’s a race gun). After those two hurdles, there’s the fact that Im a lefty and it doesn’t have a slide release for me. Finally, I’m not a big fan of DA/ SA.

Overall I have no doubt it’s a great gun, and sexy as hell, but not sure it’s for me.

 

[cfr]

Which pistol do you shoot best? I have not shot the Canik you’re considering so I can’t give you input on that particular gun. I have shot the VP9 and H&K did a good job on that gun and trigger. I appreciate a good trigger but it is not the only determining factor for me in a decision to buy a gun. I own other H&Ks and their triggers leave a lot to be desired but their guns are great shooters and well made. I have only had one warranty issue over the years with an H&K and they took care of it w/o any problem. Depending on how you shoot both and if all is equal to you then go with your inclination. If it were me and it was all equal in all regards I would go with the pistol I shoot the best… especially if I were going to shoot it competitively. Good luck with your decision.

I haven’t shot the exact model I want, but my Mete SF w a flat trigger shoots better for me than anything else I’ve ever shot. This includes both PPQs Ive owned years ago (stock triggers) and all the glocks I have far more experience shooting.

Similar awesome shooting experience w the Canik CE I rented a while back.

I may need to go rent an HK. As you mentioned there’s more to consider than just the trigger, but clearly I’m biased towards these cheap Turkish pistols.

 

[ElenaChased]

However, I just noticed that HK now sells pistols with button mag releases, and they
currently giving away extra mags. The Tactical also come w suppressor height night sights, meaning I wouldn’t need to swap those out, effectively making the cost between the two comparable.

 

[Para-bellum]

But I want an OR model— The cheapest I’ve seen those for is $1200. Then there’s the fact that I want backup iron night sights (at least the front). I know some disagree w this, but Im set on them. I’ve looked and can’t find them for an S2 (after all, it’s a race gun). After those two hurdles, there’s the fact that Im a lefty and it doesn’t have a slide release for me. Finally, I’m not a big fan of DA/ SA.

Overall I have no doubt it’s a great gun, and sexy as hell, but not sure it’s for me.

I’ve owned all 3. If you’re going to shoot in uspsa or idpa save for another 2 weeks or so and get the optics ready shadow 2. There is such a large gap in performance between these pistols and the shadow and a small gap in price. The shadow is literally leagues ahead of the other 2.

 

[randyj13]

i have shot two of the 3 and have to admit these weapons are really good. I still want a CZ shadow but that is not yet. I admit the Canik was more off reading about them and figured try it. For the money it is a great pistol. I have had not issues and love it. I was very surprised and impressed. It shoots very accurate. The steel is more mild mannered but poly works awesome also.
The finish is not as nice as an HK but the rest holds well against any. By the way Canik is starting to win many national matches. CZ ruled the world but things are changing.

 

[bac1023]

I’ve owned all 3. If you’re going to shoot in uspsa or idpa save for another 2 weeks or so and get the optics ready shadow 2. There is such a large gap in performance between these pistols and the shadow and a small gap in price. The shadow is literally leagues ahead of the other 2.

Yes it’s a much better pistol than either of these.

 

[cfr]

I’ve owned all 3. If you’re going to shoot in uspsa or idpa save for another 2 weeks or so and get the optics ready shadow 2. There is such a large gap in performance between these pistols and the shadow and a small gap in price. The shadow is literally leagues ahead of the other 2.

I have no doubt it’s better, but if it doesn’t suit my needs it really doesn’t matter how good it is.

 

[Para-bellum]

I have no doubt it’s better, but if it doesn’t suit my needs it really doesn’t matter how good it is.

100% agree with you. However if you plan on competing, the shadow is the best by a long shot.

 

[piratedude2000]

I guess you’re too used to light plastic pistols. The Rival S is actually not bad from a weight standpoint. It’s maybe an ounce or two more than a 1911, but a few ounces less than a popular pistol like the CZ Shadow 2.

I enjoy heavy pistols, but to each their own. I will say all the best shooting and most accurate pistols built today are steel and heavy. That’s just the way it works.

Love my Rival S trigger breaks at about 3 lbs.

 

[wild cat mccane]

Some clarification is needed in here.

The VP9 rebate is for non optic only. OP said optics.

There is no upgrades for the VP9 trigger. There are parts to "fix" stuff, but there is no Grey Guns kit or the like.

 

[cfr]

Some clarification is needed in here.

The VP9 rebate is for non optic only. OP said optics.

There is no upgrades for the VP9 trigger. There are parts to "fix" stuff, but there is no Grey Guns kit or the like.

Re the rebate, are we talking about the magapalooza deal? I ask as the web page has a pistol w an optic on it. I tried pasting the link but having iPad issues.
Good to know about the trigger 👌

 

[wild cat mccane]

I was totally wrong. Sorry.

HK has run 3 VP9 rebates in the last 3 months, so I got confused. The newest is any full size.

However, make sure you check the HKstore for what that $200 is worth. HK store prices on stuff is significant compared to what gun.deals can find a mag for you.

Still, there are not improvement parts for the HK VP9. You pretty much getting what you get. The VP9 is nice, but competition as spoken...the VP9 doesn't make the pick. Just because the P320 dominates, doesn't make it better of course.

Someone suggested the PDP. If you can live with the huge slide, you can get a Pro with the Dynamic trigger already in for cheaper than a optic ready VP9. Also, the spring that makes the PDP go to 3lbs costs $4 and is independent of the Dynamic trigger.

Meh. I was totally wrong. Sorry.

 

[cfr]

I was totally wrong. Sorry.

HK has run 3 VP9 rebates in the last 3 months, so I got confused. The newest is any full size.

However, make sure you check the HKstore for what that $200 is worth. HK store prices on stuff is significant compared to what gun.deals can find a mag for you.

Still, there are not improvement parts for the HK VP9. You pretty much getting what you get. The VP9 is nice, but competition as spoken...the VP9 doesn't make the pick. Just because the P320 dominates, doesn't make it better of course.

Someone suggested the PDP. If you can live with the huge slide, you can get a Pro with the Dynamic trigger already in for cheaper than a optic ready VP9. Also, the spring that makes the PDP go to 3lbs costs $4 and is independent of the Dynamic trigger.

Meh. I was totally wrong. Sorry.

No worries at all, I appreciate the trigger info.