[DrLogik]

I compete in IDPA also and have a Vogel trigger in my race gun. I am new to GSSF though and want to "improve" the trigger in my G34 Gen 3 but I also don't want to violate the rules for stock.

From what I gather, there is some muddy water in the middle of all of this as to what you can do and what you "can get away with". And, it seems, that some of that depends on the match director's decision.

In short, there appears to be rules but the line between what is allowed and not allowed is a moving target.

Aside from polishing key parts in the trigger group, can I assume any other modifications would most likely not be permitted, correct? I don't expect you folks to give away your trade secrets, but a little guidance for a GSSF newcomer would be appreciated.

 

[gkim]

No secrets at all regarding triggers. If the part is not manufactured by Glock, you can't use it. You are allowed to polish as that is nothing more than accelerated wear. The real secret is "dry fire" and practice.

 

[Preyhunter]

Rules are on the GSSF website, but basically anything goes in Unlimited (with a few exceptions such as no braces, frame must be OEM Glock, etc). For the pistol to be considered stock (all other divisions), the components must be OEM Glock. You can run an OEM minus connector in a pistol that didn't come with it, but you cannot use Ghost, Zev, etc. You can use a Glock Performance Trigger, but only in a doublestack 9mm Gen5. No trade secrets to speak of.

 

[battousai]

Trade secret is dry fire + minus connector from factory + choosing your comfy trigger shoe, playing with factory NY1/NY2 trigger mechanisms.

Basically playing with factory parts, finding a combo you like, and break in.

 

[DrLogik]

If I got a Glock OEM minus connector that another company coated with NP3? Would that be allowed or no?

 

[professor309]

With the exception of my Unlimited (which is also my daily carry) All of mine are stock with no polishing. With some I like the feel of a minus connector, some I prefer to use the dot connector. I have swapped between a few combinations of oem triggers and connectors to get the factory tolerance stack up to my liking in a particular gun.

I don’t see where polishing is allowed in the rules so I don’t. I’ve seen it argued to death here what is allowed and what is not. Cleaning up a obvious factory defect, I get it, but I have not had to. Polishing beyond what I would expect from a factory fresh gun, I’m not willing to do it. Luckily, I’ve only had a couple of piece that needed some touch up. A large hammer fixed those and replacements were put into place. Some of my guns do have many rounds through them by now and I do dry fire a few of them on occasion.

Unfortunately it is not well policed. I’ve never seen a Random inspection at one of the matches, but that does not mean it does not happen. I still don’t want to be found in violation, so don’t. And I finish pretty well and almost always pick up a match performance gun.

People need to worry more about developing their skills than trying to find that advantage. There is far more to be gained by “quality” training and practice than by looking for the magic hardware. Most of the guys that are wanking the shots low left (or right) won’t see that much of a gain from a lighter trigger pull. As soon as they start speeding up, they will pull the shots in the exact same way.

That being said, I have made approved modifications that are within the rules to make the guns fit or work better for me. Sights, grip tape, Glock or Peirce (on sun compacts where allowed) extensions etc. And this weekend I installed a few Glock Performance Triggers to try. They are different enough from the other guns that I can’t run them in that I may pull them out.

Even my unlimited gun has a trigger that is primarily Glock and still has the “Glock trigger feel” to it to keep from causing too much confusion in my brain.

In indoor matches, I sometimes use a different gun in unlimited with a Timney. The difference is I shoot with a deliberate ~1 second split with only one transition (starting) instead of working to a more instinctive sub < .40-.50 splits and transitions in the outdoor matches.


That’s my two cents worth on it…

 

[DrLogik]

Good feedback prof309. Thank you.

 

[battousai]

The @professor309 had a "class is in session" moment. He is right though.

The real "cheat" trigger in GSSF is getting either a g30 or g29 and putting a minus connector in it. 7 divisions = 1 gun makes for a ton of dry and live fire. Quickly developing arthritis too.

 

[njl]

I compete in IDPA also and have a Vogel trigger in my race gun. I am new to GSSF though and want to "improve" the trigger in my G34 Gen 3 but I also don't want to violate the rules for stock.

From what I gather, there is some muddy water in the middle of all of this as to what you can do and what you "can get away with". And, it seems, that some of that depends on the match director's decision.

In short, there appears to be rules but the line between what is allowed and not allowed is a moving target.

Aside from polishing key parts in the trigger group, can I assume any other modifications would most likely not be permitted, correct? I don't expect you folks to give away your trade secrets, but a little guidance for a GSSF newcomer would be appreciated.

The GSSF "stock rules" are pretty simple. Other than sights, grip wraps / stick-on panels, and Pearce magazine base pads, if it's not a part that was made by Glock, it's not stock.
So, in Unlimited, run whatever trigger system you want, as long as it doesn't disable any of the "3 safeties" in Glock's design.
Outside of Unlimited, you're limited to Glock-made trigger parts and last I checked, polishing was ok, but modifications beyond polishing were not. i.e. No aftermarket connectors, springs, firing pins, trigger bars modified to move where the trigger spring attaches, etc.

 

[1RoundEye]

Your only real option now would be the GLOCK Performance Trigger, but up until earlier this year tuning / polishing, and mixing / match stock parts were the only option.

 

[DannyR]

Mzny of the top Masters use a stock connector because of the quicker reset.

 

[BamaTrooper]

Most of the “secrets” aren’t secret.
Allowed-
40.30 Allowable Modifications to “Stock”
1. “Hogue Grip”-type sleeves, “A-Grip” panels, “skateboard tape” or other non-permanent grip-
enhancing materials that do not materially alter the function of the stock firearm
2. Slide and barrel stripping and/or refinishing
3. Pearce Grip, Inc. grip extenders only on G26, G27, G29, G30, G33, G36, G39, G42 and G43 magazines
4. Aftermarket replacement non-metallic base plates on magazines
5. Notch and Post sights (“patridge” sights) excluding any sight requiring slide modifications. Please note that fiber-optic and “express” sights are approved.
6. Aftermarket “Beavertail” grip extensions for Pre-GLOCK Gen 4/Gen 5 (Gen 3 & prior) models that are similar in dimensions, appearance and function to those now available for certain GLOCK Gen 4 and later generation models. Necessary usage of permanent adhesives to affix such Beavertail units is permitted.
7. Aftermarket “Magazine Funnels” made from polymers or aluminum only. Such Magazine Funnels made from Brass or other heavier metals may only be used in the “Unlimited” Division.
8. Installation of the GLOCK Performance Trigger in the G19 Gen5/MOS, G17 Gen5/MOS, G19X, G26 Gen5, G34 Gen5/MOS, G45/MOS, and G47 MOS only.
You may use any combination of GLOCK-produced firearms parts that do not result in a significant competitive advantage in the Stock divisions and that are, in the sole opinion of the match armorer, safe to utilize.

Not allowed-
Specific Non-Compliant Modifications in the “Stock” Divisions:
1. Any non-notch and post sight. This includes “Ghost Ring” or laser, electronic and optical sights. Please note that fiber-optic and express sights are permitted.
2. Wrap-around “magazine sleeves” on magazines.
3. Aftermarket component parts to be used in the Amateur-Civilian, Amateur-Guardian, Amateur or Master Subcompact, Amateur or Master Heavy Metal, Amateur and Master Master-Stock, Amateur or Master Competition, Amateur or Master Pocket GLOCKs, Amateur or Master Major Subcompact, Amateur or Master Rimfire, Amateur or Master GLOCK MOS and Amateur or Master GLOCK Girl divisions except as otherwise provided for in Section 40.30.
4. Aftermarket barrels.
5. Aftermarket recoil spring guide/recoil reducer assemblies.
6. Firing pins (modified/aftermarket).
7. Connectors (modified/aftermarket).
8. Non-Polymer or non-Aluminum metallic magazine well “funnels” or “”grip filling slugs” of any kind.
9. Lights or other barrel weights including GLOCK-produced light/laser units.
10. Aftermarket frames.
11. Any modification deemed by the Range Master to create an unfair competitive advantage
12. Non-factory “stippling”.(Stippling that is burned or cut into the polymer frame)
13. Grip enhancing materials affixed by permanent means, such as epoxy glues, which constitute a permanent modification to the firearm.
14. A “Binary” trigger in which the firearm fires one round when the trigger is pulled to the rear and one round when the trigger returns to reset.
40.50 All firearms are subject to inspection at the matches for appropriate classification. Random inspections may occur at GSSF® matches. If a GLOCK pistol is deemed illegal for a Stock division, if possible the competitor’s entry will be moved to the Amateur or Master Unlimited division. Refunds will not be given to those who fail inspection.
45.0 Illegal parts in the “Unlimited” Division:
1. “Carbine Conversion” units (no shoulder stocks)
2. Aftermarket frames.
3. Any conversion kit that does not fire a round for which GLOCK manufactures a firearm (see section 50.)
4. Neither G44 .22 Rimfire GLOCKs nor aftermarket 22 Rimfire conversion kits installed on GLOCK frames may be used in the Unlimited Division.

 

[njl]

Most of the “secrets” aren’t secret.
Allowed-
40.30 Allowable Modifications to “Stock”
1. “Hogue Grip”-type sleeves, “A-Grip” panels, “skateboard tape” or other non-permanent grip-
enhancing materials that do not materially alter the function of the stock firearm
2. Slide and barrel stripping and/or refinishing
3. Pearce Grip, Inc. grip extenders only on G26, G27, G29, G30, G33, G36, G39, G42 and G43 magazines
4. Aftermarket replacement non-metallic base plates on magazines
5. Notch and Post sights (“patridge” sights) excluding any sight requiring slide modifications. Please note that fiber-optic and “express” sights are approved.
6. Aftermarket “Beavertail” grip extensions for Pre-GLOCK Gen 4/Gen 5 (Gen 3 & prior) models that are similar in dimensions, appearance and function to those now available for certain GLOCK Gen 4 and later generation models. Necessary usage of permanent adhesives to affix such Beavertail units is permitted.
7. Aftermarket “Magazine Funnels” made from polymers or aluminum only. Such Magazine Funnels made from Brass or other heavier metals may only be used in the “Unlimited” Division.
8. Installation of the GLOCK Performance Trigger in the G19 Gen5/MOS, G17 Gen5/MOS, G19X, G26 Gen5, G34 Gen5/MOS, G45/MOS, and G47 MOS only.
You may use any combination of GLOCK-produced firearms parts that do not result in a significant competitive advantage in the Stock divisions and that are, in the sole opinion of the match armorer, safe to utilize.

Not allowed-
Specific Non-Compliant Modifications in the “Stock” Divisions:
1. Any non-notch and post sight. This includes “Ghost Ring” or laser, electronic and optical sights. Please note that fiber-optic and express sights are permitted.
2. Wrap-around “magazine sleeves” on magazines.
3. Aftermarket component parts to be used in the Amateur-Civilian, Amateur-Guardian, Amateur or Master Subcompact, Amateur or Master Heavy Metal, Amateur and Master Master-Stock, Amateur or Master Competition, Amateur or Master Pocket GLOCKs, Amateur or Master Major Subcompact, Amateur or Master Rimfire, Amateur or Master GLOCK MOS and Amateur or Master GLOCK Girl divisions except as otherwise provided for in Section 40.30.
4. Aftermarket barrels.
5. Aftermarket recoil spring guide/recoil reducer assemblies.
6. Firing pins (modified/aftermarket).
7. Connectors (modified/aftermarket).
8. Non-Polymer or non-Aluminum metallic magazine well “funnels” or “”grip filling slugs” of any kind.
9. Lights or other barrel weights including GLOCK-produced light/laser units.
10. Aftermarket frames.
11. Any modification deemed by the Range Master to create an unfair competitive advantage
12. Non-factory “stippling”.(Stippling that is burned or cut into the polymer frame)
13. Grip enhancing materials affixed by permanent means, such as epoxy glues, which constitute a permanent modification to the firearm.
14. A “Binary” trigger in which the firearm fires one round when the trigger is pulled to the rear and one round when the trigger returns to reset.
40.50 All firearms are subject to inspection at the matches for appropriate classification. Random inspections may occur at GSSF® matches. If a GLOCK pistol is deemed illegal for a Stock division, if possible the competitor’s entry will be moved to the Amateur or Master Unlimited division. Refunds will not be given to those who fail inspection.
45.0 Illegal parts in the “Unlimited” Division:
1. “Carbine Conversion” units (no shoulder stocks)
2. Aftermarket frames.
3. Any conversion kit that does not fire a round for which GLOCK manufactures a firearm (see section 50.)
4. Neither G44 .22 Rimfire GLOCKs nor aftermarket 22 Rimfire conversion kits installed on GLOCK frames may be used in the Unlimited Division.

Wait a sec. Going by those lists, binary triggers are legal in Unlimited? Does anyone even make a binary trigger for Glocks? IMO, those things are a terrible idea and major safety issue.

 

[Preyhunter]

Wait a sec. Going by those lists, binary triggers are legal in Unlimited? Does anyone even make a binary trigger for Glocks? IMO, those things are a terrible idea and major safety issue.

Go back and look at #14 under "Not Allowed" But yes, there are binary triggers for Glocks.

 

[BamaTrooper]

Wait a sec. Going by those lists, binary triggers are legal in Unlimited? Does anyone even make a binary trigger for Glocks? IMO, those things are a terrible idea and major safety issue.

They can be set for just the traditional function but I do t think they would be competitive even if allowed.

 

[professor309]

Wait a sec. Going by those lists, binary triggers are legal in Unlimited? Does anyone even make a binary trigger for Glocks? IMO, those things are a terrible idea and major safety issue.

Go back and look at #14 under "Not Allowed" But yes, there are binary triggers for Glocks.

14 actually on applies to stock.

But, Unlimited has the same statement under 45.0.5. So they are not allowed in unlimited either

 

[LuckyDucky]

But can I do this?

 

[Halo isfor Kids]

Light polish that stock trigger and go!

 

[Halo isfor Kids]

But can I do this?

That would surely test the "You can't miss fast enough to win" line of thinking