[Iamaarmed]

I am not sure this is where to post this. If not please let me know. I am in the process of joining a Sig Forum, but have been here a long time and respect many of the views of those who post here. Here are the questions:

1. How can one tell if they have the newest version of the Sig P365? also does anyone know how many versions have been produced?

2. When they refer to the Sig as being Modular do they just mean that one can chaange the frame of the gun for the same size, or can you actually change the grip size (magazine length) if you obtain different magazines? Lastly on the modularity question can one change the barrel length and use the same trigger mechanism as long as they purchase a different slide and barrel?

3. Between the Sig P365, The Hellcat. and the Taurus Gx4 which if any of them do you feel is the best quality? First off I know there are a lot of articles talking about these guns. However can anyone tell me if the quality is better on any one of them over the other? I am not asking about dollar value, because all you hear is that for the price the GX4 is this or that and is a good budget gun. That is not the question. Which gun do you feel is the best quality, and most importantly...WHY? Also I am not interested in hearing that it depends on what you are looking for. It is obvious that the question refers to the quality of the pistol as all of these guns serve the same purpose (small concealed hand guns). I hope those of you who read this understand where I am coming from. By that I mean that I do not mean do demean anyone's answer but just looking for answers to the questions. Again I hate hearing that, "well taurus has a bad reputation in the past"...that has nothing to do with what you feel about the build quality of that gun at this time. I am not interested that one feels that Sig had the buyer test their firearm or that Springfield doeos not support the firearms community as they should. Just want answers to the question. Sorry if I come across as being pompus but I can read thousands of posts that address these questions with the addition of the above mentioned comments which inf act do not really answer the question. What gun do you feel has the best quality and WHY?.

I DO HOPE I GET SOME RESPONSE TO THESE QUESTIONS AS I KNOW I HAVE BEEN VERY PATICULAR AS TO WHAT ANSWERS I AM LOOKING FOR. AS I STATED EARLIER THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF POSTS SAYING THIS ABOUT THAN ONE AND THIS ABOUT THIS ONE ETC. BUT WHAT ONE HAS THE BEST BUILD QUALITY IN YOUR OPINION AND WHY? PRICE IS NOT INTHE EQUATION.

 

[The Viking]

I am sorry I cannot answer most of your questions. I do believe the latest version of the Sig 365 is the Macro ( someone correct me if I am wrong. I shot the latest version which has a ported slide and holds seventeen rounds. I was amazed at the lack of recoil in this light little pistol. I watched someone else shot it and the muzzle barely moved at all. Shoot one.

 

[The Viking]

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[KentuckyPatriot]

Here you go...
1) I have both the 365 and the 365XL. Both can be interchanged. The FCG is the serialized part, not the frame. There are many options to suit your color and in some cases with palm swells. I do believe you can order a slide from one or the other, but any? Buy them both and have options. The only thing to be concerned about is that the Xl 12 round magazine will fit in the plain version but there will be a gap and it will pinch...also, the adapters for 15 round mags are specific to which grip module you are using. When I carry I use the XL slide on an aftermarket 365 grip module for extra sight radius and balance. I carry AIWB and it is not an issue.

2) Buy the Sig and don't look back.

 

[Iamaarmed]

I am sorry I cannot answer most of your questions. I do believe the latest version of the Sig 365 is the Macro ( someone correct me if I am wrong. I shot the latest version which has a ported slide and holds seventeen rounds. I was amazed at the lack of recoil in this light little pistol. I watched someone else shot it and the muzzle barely moved at all. Shoot one.

Thank you for your response. Much appreciated.

 

[Iamaarmed]

Here you go...
1) I have both the 365 and the 365XL. Both can be interchanged. The FCG is the serialized part, not the frame. There are many options to suit your color and in some cases with palm swells. I do believe you can order a slide from one or the other, but any? Buy them both and have options. The only thing to be concerned about is that the Xl 12 round magazine will fit in the plain version but there will be a gap and it will pinch...also, the adapters for 15 round mags are specific to which grip module you are using. When I carry I use the XL slide on an aftermarket 365 grip module for extra sight radius and balance. I carry AIWB and it is not an issue.

2) Buy the Sig and don't look back.

I have been thinking along those lilnes as to buying the Sig. Thanks for your reply. However they all seem like good firearms. We live in great times for gun enthuasists.

 

[Jeff S.]

1. If by newest version, you mean newest “generation,” then here’s a video:

Keep in my, this video is already 4 years old. If you’re buying new, you really are good-to-go, but the video may be a helpful resource if you’re buying used.



2. Modular means adult Lego. Plug and play for nearly any part. There is no “frame;” the serialized part is the receiver, which is the legal part that is considered the gun itself. Then there is the grip module that the receiver fits into, and of course the slide and barrel. You can buy any specific variant of the P365, and then buy parts to turn it into another. For example, I could by the new macro grip module and magazine when they’re released and make my own Macro from my P365XL and save six hundred bucks. Once you have a P365 receiver, you can make any variant of the P365 family from parts (or make your own variant). You can also have fun stippling or doing whatever to the grip module. Make a mistake stippling a P365, you’re out 50 bucks. Make a mistake stippling any other firearm, you just ruined the frame (the gun itself).


3. The most truthful answer: they’re all the same. They all use modern manufacturing and make high quality parts. You may get a lemon with any of them, but they all also have great customer service and will take care of you if anything goes astray. I don’t know much about Springfield or Taurus, so I’ll tell you what I know about Sig.

Instead of coming across as too much of fan of Sig, I’ll try to give you the good and bad. Sig is probably the most innovative manufacture right now, but that comes at a price: Sig using customers as beta testers. May not be wise to get a first gen Sig product. But the good side is, they produce a lot of rolling updates and listen to the customer better than anybody. They’ve also purposely reinvested the military contract money into manufacturing (they just opened up a new plant). For example, they laser batch test parts, not just looking to keep things in tolerance, but to gather data to know when to change drill bits and so forth.

You should get the one you shoot best with or like the most, is the best answer to question 3.

 

[Iamaarmed]

1. If by newest version, you mean newest “generation,” then here’s a video:

Keep in my, this video is already 4 years old. If you’re buying new, you really are good-to-go, but the video may be a helpful resource if you’re buying used.



2. Modular means adult Lego. Plug and play for nearly any part. There is no “frame;” the serialized part is the receiver, which is the legal part that is considered the gun itself. Then there is the grip module that the receiver fits into, and of course the slide and barrel. You can buy any specific variant of the P365, and then buy parts to turn it into another. For example, I could by the new macro grip module and magazine when they’re released and make my own Macro from my P365XL and save six hundred bucks. Once you have a P365 receiver, you can make any variant of the P365 family from parts (or make your own variant). You can also have fun stippling or doing whatever to the grip module. Make a mistake stippling a P365, you’re out 50 bucks. Make a mistake stippling any other firearm, you just ruined the frame (the gun itself).


3. The most truthful answer: they’re all the same. They all use modern manufacturing and make high quality parts. You may get a lemon with any of them, but they all also have great customer service and will take care of you if anything goes astray. I don’t know much about Springfield or Taurus, so I’ll tell you what I know about Sig.

Instead of coming across as too much of fan of Sig, I’ll try to give you the good and bad. Sig is probably the most innovative manufacture right now, but that comes at a price: Sig using customers as beta testers. May not be wise to get a first gen Sig product. But the good side is, they produce a lot of rolling updates and listen to the customer better than anybody. They’ve also purposely reinvested the military contract money into manufacturing (they just opened up a new plant). For example, they laser batch test parts, not just looking to keep things in tolerance, but to gather data to know when to change drill bits and so forth.

You should get the one you shoot best with or like the most, is the best answer to question 3.

WOW!!! What an informative reply. Thank you so much more than "much appreciated". If you lived close I would buy you dinner...*(hope I don't find out that you live close LOL kidding I would definitely buy.) I Thanks again.

Ps: I live in Pa. Scranton, Wilkes Barre area.

 

[Ebb27]

The only thing to be concerned about is that the Xl 12 round magazine will fit in the plain version but there will be a gap and it will pinch.

You can get the 12 rnd mags with the extension for the standard grip.

 

[checkyoursix]

I have carried and shot a Hellcat for 18 months, and recently have returned to the P365. The Hellcat is a good quality pistol, I never suffered any malfunction with carry ammo and my reloads (135 mostly, 124hp and some coated 147grains).

That said, I always found it snappy and somewhat unpleasant to shoot.

As for the P365, I had owned and carried a first generation P365 and never encountered any issues with it. I can’t even remember exactly why I switched, even though I think it was due to an outrageous offer I received at the beginning of the pandemic, a period in which I did extremely well selling a lot of guns I didn’t need/shoot.

So why am I back? Because I think Sig has morphed into a powerhouse in terms of manufacturing an entire line of products, from firearms to optics to ammo and they have gone a long way in terms of quality. As for the P365 in particular, now there is a huge offer of grip modules, and that is a real advantage. In my case, I bought a regular P365 and added the Wilson XL grip module with the tungsten weight. Now I have basically two guns, one easy to carry in the hot TX summer, one that is a joy to shoot at the range and carry throughout the year. The added cost for this amazing flexibility? Less than $90 including the tungsten weights. This ability to plug and play has now come to full maturity and boy isn‘t it handy.

Lastly, I think this is going to be a great period to buy used P365’s as the new macro seems quite an amazing pistol so a lot of folks are going to dump theirs for a song. I bought mine used locally for a great price, and I couldn’t be more happy.

SIG Customer Service has an outstanding reputation, and am proud to support a great American company. Sig now employs 3,000 people, is the Army supplier and is producing a line of guns that I see more and more used by top competitors.

As for the Taurus, sorry I have never shot that particular one, even though I have shot other and found them mostly abysmal. Have bought two, one was awful (a Slim something) one was fun until pins started to go for a walk whilst shooting (TX22). That’s it, am done.

 

[pag23]

I handled a macro today...not bad and very slim for CCW with decent ergos. the price for over 800 is a turnoff for me. Especially with no included red dot, but the comp cuts are interesting. I have a 365X and it hits that sweet spot on concealability and capacity. Mine has a WML and red dot.

I fired about 100 rounds so far on HP and JHP with no issues and forgot to lube and clean prior to shooting it.

 

[BDM71]

There are really two definitions for modularity in handguns. Most will tell you that it means the pistol is plug & play with easily swappable grip modules, FCG, etc.

The army's definition is different. If you read the MHS (Modular Handgun System) RFP (request for proposal), being "modular" merely meant that you could adjust the grip to a variety of hand sizes, and the army was very specific about the parameters it must meet. But that's all it meant. It had nothing—and I mean NOTHING—to do with the the removable chassis.

If you think about it, SIG's modularity makes the pistol in some ways less modular because while a Glock can meet the Army's criteria with the four different backstraps included in the gun case, you would literally have to buy four additional frames for the P365 or P320 to have as many options (a total of five). That's literally hundreds of dollars.

 

[Iamaarmed]

I have carried and shot a Hellcat for 18 months, and recently have returned to the P365. The Hellcat is a good quality pistol, I never suffered any malfunction with carry ammo and my reloads (135 mostly, 124hp and some coated 147grains).

That said, I always found it snappy and somewhat unpleasant to shoot.

As for the P365, I had owned and carried a first generation P365 and never encountered any issues with it. I can’t even remember exactly why I switched, even though I think it was due to an outrageous offer I received at the beginning of the pandemic, a period in which I did extremely well selling a lot of guns I didn’t need/shoot.

So why am I back? Because I think Sig has morphed into a powerhouse in terms of manufacturing an entire line of products, from firearms to optics to ammo and they have gone a long way in terms of quality. As for the P365 in particular, now there is a huge offer of grip modules, and that is a real advantage. In my case, I bought a regular P365 and added the Wilson XL grip module with the tungsten weight. Now I have basically two guns, one easy to carry in the hot TX summer, one that is a joy to shoot at the range and carry throughout the year. The added cost for this amazing flexibility? Less than $90 including the tungsten weights. This ability to plug and play has now come to full maturity and boy isn‘t it handy.

Lastly, I think this is going to be a great period to buy used P365’s as the new macro seems quite an amazing pistol so a lot of folks are going to dump theirs for a song. I bought mine used locally for a great price, and I couldn’t be more happy.

SIG Customer Service has an outstanding reputation, and am proud to support a great American company. Sig now employs 3,000 people, is the Army supplier and is producing a line of guns that I see more and more used by top competitors.

As for the Taurus, sorry I have never shot that particular one, even though I have shot other and found them mostly abysmal. Have bought two, one was awful (a Slim something) one was fun until pins started to go for a walk whilst shooting (TX22). That’s it, am done.

Very much like your

You can get the 12 rnd mags with the extension for the standard grip.

You can get the 12 rnd mags with the extension for the standard grip.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Iamaarmed]

I have carried and shot a Hellcat for 18 months, and recently have returned to the P365. The Hellcat is a good quality pistol, I never suffered any malfunction with carry ammo and my reloads (135 mostly, 124hp and some coated 147grains).

That said, I always found it snappy and somewhat unpleasant to shoot.

As for the P365, I had owned and carried a first generation P365 and never encountered any issues with it. I can’t even remember exactly why I switched, even though I think it was due to an outrageous offer I received at the beginning of the pandemic, a period in which I did extremely well selling a lot of guns I didn’t need/shoot.

So why am I back? Because I think Sig has morphed into a powerhouse in terms of manufacturing an entire line of products, from firearms to optics to ammo and they have gone a long way in terms of quality. As for the P365 in particular, now there is a huge offer of grip modules, and that is a real advantage. In my case, I bought a regular P365 and added the Wilson XL grip module with the tungsten weight. Now I have basically two guns, one easy to carry in the hot TX summer, one that is a joy to shoot at the range and carry throughout the year. The added cost for this amazing flexibility? Less than $90 including the tungsten weights. This ability to plug and play has now come to full maturity and boy isn‘t it handy.

Lastly, I think this is going to be a great period to buy used P365’s as the new macro seems quite an amazing pistol so a lot of folks are going to dump theirs for a song. I bought mine used locally for a great price, and I couldn’t be more happy.

SIG Customer Service has an outstanding reputation, and am proud to support a great American company. Sig now employs 3,000 people, is the Army supplier and is producing a line of guns that I see more and more used by top competitors.

As for the Taurus, sorry I have never shot that particular one, even though I have shot other and found them mostly abysmal. Have bought two, one was awful (a Slim something) one was fun until pins started to go for a walk whilst shooting (TX22). That’s it, am done.

Really like what you posted. No BS. just facts and have to agree 100% on USA made products. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge on the P365. From what I have been reading here it seems like I am looking at purchasing the P365 over the Gx4 or Hellcat. However I feel from what I have read that they are all good choices. Again a great time to be a gun aficionado. So many choices.

 

[Iamaarmed]

There are really two definitions for modularity in handguns. Most will tell you that it means the pistol is plug & play with easily swappable grip modules, FCG, etc.

The army's definition is different. If you read the MHS (Modular Handgun System) RFP (request for proposal), being "modular" merely meant that you could adjust the grip to a variety of hand sizes, and the army was very specific about the parameters it must meet. But that's all it meant. It had nothing—and I mean NOTHING—to do with the the removable chassis.

If you think about it, SIG's modularity makes the pistol in some ways less modular because while a Glock can meet the Army's criteria with the four different backstraps included in the gun case, you would literally have to buy four additional frames for the P365 or P320 to have as many options (a total of five). That's literally hundreds of dollars.

Definitely many different ways to look at things. Thanks for your insightful reply.

 

[italianstallion]

I am not sure this is where to post this. If not please let me know. I am in the process of joining a Sig Forum, but have been here a long time and respect many of the views of those who post here. Here are the questions:

1. How can one tell if they have the newest version of the Sig P365? also does anyone know how many versions have been produced?

2. When they refer to the Sig as being Modular do they just mean that one can chaange the frame of the gun for the same size, or can you actually change the grip size (magazine length) if you obtain different magazines? Lastly on the modularity question can one change the barrel length and use the same trigger mechanism as long as they purchase a different slide and barrel?

3. Between the Sig P365, The Hellcat. and the Taurus Gx4 which if any of them do you feel is the best quality? First off I know there are a lot of articles talking about these guns. However can anyone tell me if the quality is better on any one of them over the other? I am not asking about dollar value, because all you hear is that for the price the GX4 is this or that and is a good budget gun. That is not the question. Which gun do you feel is the best quality, and most importantly...WHY? Also I am not interested in hearing that it depends on what you are looking for. It is obvious that the question refers to the quality of the pistol as all of these guns serve the same purpose (small concealed hand guns). I hope those of you who read this understand where I am coming from. By that I mean that I do not mean do demean anyone's answer but just looking for answers to the questions. Again I hate hearing that, "well taurus has a bad reputation in the past"...that has nothing to do with what you feel about the build quality of that gun at this time. I am not interested that one feels that Sig had the buyer test their firearm or that Springfield doeos not support the firearms community as they should. Just want answers to the question. Sorry if I come across as being pompus but I can read thousands of posts that address these questions with the addition of the above mentioned comments which inf act do not really answer the question. What gun do you feel has the best quality and WHY?.

I DO HOPE I GET SOME RESPONSE TO THESE QUESTIONS AS I KNOW I HAVE BEEN VERY PATICULAR AS TO WHAT ANSWERS I AM LOOKING FOR. AS I STATED EARLIER THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF POSTS SAYING THIS ABOUT THAN ONE AND THIS ABOUT THIS ONE ETC. BUT WHAT ONE HAS THE BEST BUILD QUALITY IN YOUR OPINION AND WHY? PRICE IS NOT INTHE EQUATION.

1 - as with most brands, there have been "rolling changes" on the P365 (early, early models had issues with dead front night sight batches produced by Meprolight, fractured firing pin tips, and barrel peening issues. Every Sig Sauer ever made has the date of manufacture on the box, you cannot miss it. I have 2x P365s from 2021 and 2022, both are absolutely flawless, and yes they both have had +P and +P+ ammo through them. I would say anything made after 2020 is safe, but you do always want to get the newest manufacture date, no one wants a gun thats been sitting on a shelf or warehouse for 1-2 years with XYZ person handling it or people swapping or switching parts on said weapon.


2 - Both the 320 and 365 are modular in that the FCU is the firearm, everything including the grip/grip module can be changed in seconds and it is not a controlled item as it is not serialized. 365 has 2 grip module sizes (technically 3 now with the Macro). 365 has 2 barrel lenghts and 2 slide lengths with an array of options (compensated, optic ready, etc.)



3 - Working at an FFL that has sold thousands of those same Sig, Taurus, and SA firearms. Sig quality is generally very high. SA quality is high but the fit and finish of some SA handguns leave a little to be desited. Taurus quality is all over the place, needless to say Taurus always sell for well below any Sig, SA, or Glock.


Bottom line get the P365, even a person who is biased toward the Hellcat admits that the 365 has a better trigger, better tritium sights out of the box, no trigger pull needed for takedown, and the modularity is no gimmic. Scratch or mess up your grip module on a 365, pay $40 for a new one in maybe a different color or a different size...... I was never impressed with the Hellcat as it was maybe 5% bigger than the P365 and held 1 more round, plus now Sig just hit it out of the park with the Macro, who wouldn't want a thinner-framed G19 that holds 17+1 rounds?

And before anyone gets sour with me for not worshipping Glock... I proudly have 2 Glocks, and 8 Sigs.

 

[Jeff S.]

If you think about it, SIG's modularity makes the pistol in some ways less modular because while a Glock can meet the Army's criteria with the four different backstraps included in the gun case, you would literally have to buy four additional frames for the P365 or P320 to have as many options (a total of five). That's literally hundreds of dollars.

Great point about the modularity; people thought the army wrote it for Sig, but they just wanted a handgun to fit a wide variety of hands.

Also great point about backstraps. I think the VP9 has a really great system; their backstraps also hold in place side panels, so you can change the shape of the sides and back. Backstraps give you more options out of the box, but I think grip modules have two trump cards: first, the different size models change the entire shape of the pistol (making it more expensive compared to backstraps, but a more meaningful change); and second, grip module modularity means aftermarket support (shapes, textures, materials).

Edit to add:

I think it also goes to your point, because Sig added backstraps to the new Macro, even though it’s just a module. But I also think the backstraps will be overlooked in favor of people dropping 50 bucks on a Wilson macro module when it inevitably drops.

 

[MrS&W]

The Hellcat is the better build but Sig has came up with a better Glock model. They sell the same gun with different frames and slide designs and charge a premium.

 

[19LG]

Sig has good aftermarket support especially with holsters and misc parts. They also made over 1 million 365s eclipsing that mark in 2020. They have certainly ironed out any issues . Hellcat build quality feels a bit better however I would still go 365. Sig customer service is great .. had a slight cosmetic blemish on my 365 fcu and they replaced it no questions asked. They still have some QC issues and this blemish probably shouldn’t have made it out the door but it had no impact on function and was purely cosmetic. Thought it was great they didn’t argue they just replaced it.

I’m sure the Taurus is a decent firearm and the hellcat had demonstrated its reliability but I’m only keeping Glock and Sigs as my handguns. It’s what im familiar with and both companies have incredible customer support and aftermarket support which is important

 

[MrS&W]

Sig has good aftermarket support especially with holsters and misc parts. They also made over 1 million 365s eclipsing that mark in 2020. They have certainly ironed out any issues . Hellcat build quality feels a bit better however I would still go 365. Sig customer service is great .. had a slight cosmetic blemish on my 365 fcu and they replaced it no questions asked. They still have some QC issues and this blemish probably shouldn’t have made it out the door but it had no impact on function and was purely cosmetic. Thought it was great they didn’t argue they just replaced it.

I’m sure the Taurus is a decent firearm and the hellcat had demonstrated its reliability but I’m only keeping Glock and Sigs as my handguns. It’s what im familiar with and both companies have incredible customer support and aftermarket support which is important

Both Springfield and Sig have acceptable customer service. I agree that the build quality on the Hellcat feels better. I would go even further by saying it is better.

IMHO, if Springfield released the P365 and Sig the Hellcat, people would perfer the Sig Hellcat over the Springfield P365.