[porschedog]

PSA’s AR9 is well priced, reliable, uses Glock 26, 19, and 17 mags plus happy sticks
and, IMO, is a worthwhile addition to the collection.

 

[TiggerTigger]

Advantage of an AR pistol. You can carry it loaded in your vehicle if you have a permit or live in a Constitutional Carry State. Nice to have a 30 round pistol that has serious power in a self-defense situation.
Look at the Springfield Armory offerings. I have one. It is fantastic.

 

[Deployment Solu]

AR15 pistol with 10.5 barrel was my choice too!!

 

[jmaj]

I converted my 12 Ga Shockwave to an SBS, because I found the amount of recoil not manageable with birds head grip or a brace. Having gone through the NFA process, it's not a big deal other than the $200.
IMO. Sooner or later braces are going the way of bumpfire stocks. IMO

 

[DirectDrive]

I like 'em in pistol calibers.
Never made sense to me in a rifle caliber.

Mine is a Quarter Circle 10 Rider
Colt pattern 9mm

 

[PIC123]

It would make a nice vehicle defensive weapon.
I personally would keep it stripped down. No stock.
In a situation where someone opens fire on your vehicle, you'll be able to quickly counter with a penetrating, formidable round. All 30
The micro AR allows you to get past the steering wheel quickly.

 

[Rotn1]

The first question is what do you intend to use it for?
Barrel length is generally not a accuracy issue; it’s a velocity issue ( and reduced range). The bulk of 556 cartridges are designed to fragment at speed.
As well, there is significantly increased muzzle blast and a literal fireball in shorter barrels as the powder continues to burn beyond the barrel. Thats why you run cans on the shorties, it’s blast and fireball control more than sound control.
If you are going to use it for home defense, any 556 is going to rock your ears unless you are wearing hearing protection and / or using a can. A shortie even more so.
I have a bunch of AR / AR style rifles including one with a 7.5” barrel.
If you want general purpose AR; your first AR should be a 16” with a removable flash hider. A shortie is a specific purpose type gun.
Sure get one…… but your first AR should be standard carbine length.

 

[GlockPride]

10.5”-12” is great for certain applications. Those like home/urban defense or working in and around vehicles. If you don’t plan on doing this, get a carbine or rifle.
For those talking ammo, sure M193 and M855 are optimized for longer barrels. However, there are some bullets and ammo MADE for shorter barrels. For example, Hornady 77gr TAP. And many of the shorter barrels are optimized for heavier grain bullets since they are 1:7 twists. Sometimes 62 gr works well, along with some of the 64 and 69 grainers.
As far as noise, you can run a linear comp and push more noise out the front. Suppressor is also possibly an option, still keeping you around 16”. And indoors, it’s not like a 16” carbine is going to be that much quieter.

Would I make it my only AR? Maybe. But I definitely like having them as an option.

 

[0311INF]

I'm interested in a 11.5 truck gun, but I would feel the need to SBR the thing and/or it may be that the ATF soon "decides" the brace is somehow illegal. With an NFA item I'd feel uneasy about carrying the thing around in my vehicle all the time.
Still, a suppressed SBR is a big want.

 

[Darkangel1846]

The AR/AK pistols are louder then anything so keep your electronic muffs handy. You don't have to worry about the rounds fragmenting as just hitting your target will end that confrontation. A friend has "The Saint" AR pistol and it is accurate at 200 yards.

 

[jim goose]

I’m on my 3rd psa build. A 20” with fixed stock. Great guns and fun to learn about them while building.

That being said, pistols are too loud, unless you want to prematurely go deaf, get a 16”.

Pay an extra couple hundred for a quality gun, I like the Sig m400, or rock River fixed carry handles. Both about $800, or get an Mp sport for cheaper.

Everyone should have an AR.


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[Nanuk]

I went the AR pistol route, ended up here. The 5.56 is LOUD from a short barrel. Anything under 10" BBL and the PCC makes more sense.

 

[Sharkey]

I went the AR pistol route, ended up here. The 5.56 is LOUD from a short barrel. Anything under 10" BBL and the PCC makes more sense.


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Well, I kept my AR pistols in calibers other than 5.56. They are nice to have around. Your pic reminds me - I got a brand new Stribog in safe I need to shoot. "SMG like" pistols are indeed fun to shoot.

 

[rustygun]

For a very well done explanation I always default to folks that know more then I do. On YouTube a fellow named Paul Harrell has a short video called ar platform barrels. Runs through 10.5 16 and 20 inch lengths. Should answer some questions.

 

[Z71bill]

There is always something looming. The 10,5 is awesome, especially with the collapsible stock. Look at them. If you like get one and be sure to vote for your 2A rights.

I think you mean collapsible BRACE - putting a stock on a 10.5" barrel pistol would be a no no unless you get a SBR tax stamp.

 

[desertfox7266]

Not AR pattern but have one of these kits from https://www.tnwfirearms.com/. Uses Glock mags, can be pistol or carbine, originally got for 10mm.

On AR patterns, built a Colt 6945 10.5" and 6943 11.5" as pistols. With a Whistle Pig type flash can on it, not exceedingly obnoxious on the firing line. PCC or 300Blackout do have the advantage ballistically on that setup.

 

[syntaxerrorsix]

y.

Braces aren't going to be banned. Repeat, the ATF has never proposed to make braces illegal to own or have installed on a pistol. What Biden's ATF hinted about was making it illegal to shoulder a pistol of any caliber (9mm included) that has a brace or the like. That pressing one to the shoulder morphs a handgun into a SBR. \

That may have been the case a few years ago but currently there has been ZERO mention of shouldering braces.

The new rule proposal will require a pistol to fall within a VERY specific range to be legal. There's a new worksheet to determine if your braced pistol will be compliant and it's NEARLY impossible to meet those requirements.

It would appear you are working off of old news. Here are the new forms.

ATF Form 4999

https://www.atf.gov/file/154866/download

Good luck meeting the proposed requirements.

 

[uofaengr]

Another agree on 10.5 being shortest to go with in 5.56 (blast cans help some with noise), but might would still start out with a 16". I bought a PSA 10.5 kit and lower with SBA3 when they were dirt cheap to see how I liked short AR's, sold it for a profit, then built exactly what I wanted based around a BCM 11.5 upper and Aero M4E1 lower with the intention of SBRing and suppressing. It's not my only AR and have others for other uses, but enjoy that combination very much and is my main shooter.

On the other hand, pistol caliber AR's I don't like in long configurations like 16", but that's personal. I built a .45 ACP AR based around a CMMG 8" barrel and radial delayed blowback BCG and their proprietary lower with the intention of SBRing and suppressing also. It might be my favorite overall rifle.

 

[Z71bill]

I have a 10.5" barrel AR pistil with the SBA3 brace - I also have a Beretta CX4 Storm carbine in 9MM with a 16" barrel.

Shooting steel targets and without any doubt the 10.5" AR hits the target much harder - with between 800 and 900 foot pounds of energy.

IDN what FT pounds a 10.5" 9MM will give you but maybe 50% -

My 10.5" AR pistol has never had a failure of any type - it is in my safe right now with a mag full of Gold Dots and my CX4 is sitting right next to it with a 30 round mag of 147 grain HST.

I would be happy to grab either one if my home was being invaded.

 

[TiggerTigger]

That may have been the case a few years ago but currently there has been ZERO mention of shouldering braces.

The new rule proposal will require a pistol to fall within a VERY specific range to be legal. There's a new worksheet to determine if your braced pistol will be compliant and it's NEARLY impossible to meet those requirements.

It would appear you are working off of old news. Here are the new forms.

ATF Form 4999

https://www.atf.gov/file/154866/download

Good luck meeting the proposed requirements.

I just looked at the worksheet. They have to be smoking crack. This will end up in court.