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Just purchased new Dagger Compact. Took apart to clean before firing. The roll pins are very difficult to remove. After cleaning, they are not going back in. The Trigger Housing Pin will not pass through the block without driving with a hammer. Once it reaches the opposite side of the block, it will not pass through the hole.

UPDATE 04/09/22: Put pistol up and did not make any more attempts to insert pins. Talked to PSA and they offered to pay shipping both ways and take a look at it. They would not send me new roll pins. Took it out today and tried a new set of roll punches. It took some time but I did get the pins to go back in.
 
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Frank Bama said:
Just purchased new Dagger Compact. Took apart to clean before firing. The roll pins are very difficult to remove. After cleaning, they are not going back in. The Trigger Housing Pin will not pass through the block without driving with a hammer. Once it reaches the opposite side of the block, it will not pass through the hole. Beginning to believe I just threw $325 away.
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Yup, the fact you even need a hammer to remove and replace the Dagger™ pins is a major issue. You shouldn't need anything other than a punch to dissemble and reassemble a "Glock". We've been tracking this issue for a long time. It's unfortunate PSA hasn't yet addressed the issue,

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And it's important to note that the Dagger™ trigger pin and trigger housing and locking block roll pins are all proprietary.

Here is more information on the Dagger™ including other known and potential issues,

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I'm confident you'll work through your struggles with the pins, however, it is a major inconvenience.
 
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cciman said:
Glocks and PSA-D are not the same. Did you reference any youtube tutorials before taking this on? Why were you disassembling it?

ROLL PINS are used in the Dagger - normal to need effort (punch and hammer) to move them-- that is how roll pins work, they should not slide easily.
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How much do you think PSA saved in manufacturing costs per Dagger™ in using roll pins vs solid pins? It certainly wasn't worth the countless headaches it has created.

The Dagger™ trigger pin is only proprietary because it had to be redesigned (along with other Dagger™ parts) in an attempt to address the Walking Trigger Pin Issue.

The Dagger™ trigger housing and locking block roll pins are proprietary because they're larger in diameter than OEM Glock and aftermarket pins. However, they're also proprietary due to the fact they're shorter in length. This is a consequence of the unique ergonomics of the Dagger™ frame. So even if PSA had used solid trigger housing and locking block pins, they may still have been proprietary, however, at least you should have been able to remove and replace them without using a hammer. I think the use of roll pins was an extremely poor design decision on PSA's part.

I've actually approached a major firearm parts manufacturer that sells popular aftermarket Glock pin sets in hopes of having Dagger™ solid pin sets made. I sent them spare Dagger™ pins. I offered to loan them a Dagger™ frame. I haven't had any luck to date.
 
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Frank Bama said:
Just purchased new Dagger Compact. Took apart to clean before firing. The roll pins are very difficult to remove. After cleaning, they are not going back in. The Trigger Housing Pin will not pass through the block without driving with a hammer. Once it reaches the opposite side of the block, it will not pass through the hole. Beginning to believe I just threw $325 away.
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You do not NEED to take the gun further apart than a field strip for cleaning.
PSA was making a budget gun and perhaps thought that those that will but them are people who normally wouldn't try playing gunsmith.

When you try to reinsert trigger pin are you wiggling around the slide stop?
You have to do this with Glocks too....
You should NEVER need/use a hammer with the TRIGGER pin.
Get the right roll pin punches and a hammer for the ROLL pins.
 
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45caldan said:
PSA was making a budget gun and perhaps thought that those that will but them are people who normally wouldn't try playing gunsmith.
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PSA has sold on the order of 50,000 complete Dagger™ pistols in nine months while slowly ramping up production. That doesn't necessarily include Dagger™ frames sold à la carte (different serial number prefix). Many Dagger™ owners had never owned a gun. I'll go out on a limb and suggest most Dagger™ owners had never owned a "Glock" (whether OEM or aftermarket). I think this is all the more reason to use solid pins that can be easily removed and replaced.
 
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45caldan said:
You do not NEED to take the gun further apart than a field strip for cleaning.
PSA was making a budget gun and perhaps thought that those that will but them are people who normally wouldn't try playing gunsmith.

When you try to reinsert trigger pin are you wiggling around the slide stop?
You have to do this with Glocks too....
You should NEVER need/use a hammer with the TRIGGER pin.
Get the right roll pin punches and a hammer for the ROLL pins.
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45caldan, You may want to read the post again. The TRIGGER pin is a different part than the roll pins I referenced; the roll pins, there are 2 of them, go in the trigger housing and locking block. A simple schematic will clear this up for you. There is not a problem with the trigger pin on this firearm.
 
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I purchased a complete Dagger frame and a
Plain Jane CR3 Tactical slide … only have ran one magazine on Blazer Brass 115gr FMJ .. hadn’t had time to go the range .. just pissed off the neighbors
Trigger is OK on the Dagger … it will work .. I like the feel of the grip … I like my smooth Gen 3 style slide
It seems to function so far … but we will know more after 200 rds

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Frank Bama said:
There is not a problem with the trigger pin on this firearm.
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Well, maybe not any more. 😉

Here's an older PSA Dagger™ trigger pin on the left, a Lone Wolf trigger pin in the center, and a newer Dagger™ trigger pin on the right (note the wider and deeper notces). It's not clear whether this is the newest Dagger™ trigger pin. There are 👍certainly far fewer reports of the Dagger™ Walking Trigger Pin Issue since mid-December.
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wickedbeernut said:
PSA has sold on the order of 50,000 complete Dagger™ pistols in nine months while slowly ramping up production. That doesn't necessarily include Dagger™ frames sold à la carte (different serial number prefix). Many Dagger™ owners had never owned a gun. I'll go out on a limb and suggest most Dagger™ owners had never owned a "Glock" (whether OEM or aftermarket). I think this is all the more reason to use solid pins that can be easily removed and replaced.
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I agree Wickedbeernut. These pins are simply too large in diameter. I tried to insert one through the trigger block with it outside of the gun; only the tip will move into the hole. Solid pins would be a big improvement
 
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