[Glock4life!]

@racer88 nothing I posted was directed at you personally. You seem to understand quite well the ins and outs of building a P80 and you seem to understand that it takes time to do something right. Many of the new builders out there don't have the first clue about the engineering efforts that go into designing and building a functioning safe firearm yet they are out there grinding away on some plastic then asking an online forum for help.

I get that forums can be good resources and that is fine but at least speaking for myself, its kind of annoying to see these frequent posts. It would be nice if there was some sticky on the main page about builds and resources for builds that could steer a lot of people in the right direction.

As far as your comments about about having it both ways, sure there's no problem with that at all. However I think at some point you reach diminishing returns. How much is 40 hours of your time worth to you? Sure it might be fun but I would never invest that amount of time building something I can go get for a fraction of that time value.

Then you brought up reloading, not sure why but I'll bite there too. How many incidents have you read about where faulty reloads caused malfunctions or worse? I understand factory ammo can also have issues but I'd wager the percentage of issues with factory loads is much lower than with at home reloaders.

AR15 builds? Again I see it as diminishing returns. What was the design and purpose of the AR? I don't think it was sub 1" groups yet there are a lot of guys out there putting in match grade parts in a rifle that was built to milspec and built for battle. I personally think its silly but it isn't my money and time.

I'll unfollow this thread and move on now, have a great day.

 

[racer88]

@racer88 nothing I posted was directed at you personally. You seem to understand quite well the ins and outs of building a P80 and you seem to understand that it takes time to do something right. Many of the new builders out there don't have the first clue about the engineering efforts that go into designing and building a functioning safe firearm yet they are out there grinding away on some plastic then asking an online forum for help.

No worries... I'm not taking anything personally.

Where else would they ask for help about that? Or about tightening up their groups? Or other issues they have with their unmodified Glocks?

People go online to ask about EVERYTHING. Maybe the internet is new to you?

I get that forums can be good resources and that is fine but at least speaking for myself, its kind of annoying to see these frequent posts.

Annoying?? Really? This is what annoys you? Wow. You know, there is that scroll wheel on your mouse... or swiping on your phone. It annoys you, yet you not only open the thread. You read it. And, then you comment on it. Multiple times. Maybe you enjoy annoying yourself? Munchausen much?

As far as your comments about about having it both ways, sure there's no problem with that at all. However I think at some point you reach diminishing returns. How much is 40 hours of your time worth to you? Sure it might be fun but I would never invest that amount of time building something I can go get for a fraction of that time value.

My time is my time. I spend it doing things I enjoy, if I can. My happiness is worth a LOT. A lot of guys enjoy building a hotrod rather than just buying it. There's something to being intimately familiar with a machine that works and that you use. It's very satisfying. Whether it's building birdhouses, cars, model trains, or guns... there is a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction. It's NOT about what costs more money. It's about enjoying your hobby or activity.

Then you brought up reloading, not sure why but I'll bite there too. How many incidents have you read about where faulty reloads caused malfunctions or worse? I understand factory ammo can also have issues but I'd wager the percentage of issues with factory loads is much lower than with at home reloaders.

Because reloading is building your own ammo... like building your own gun. It's not "necessary." It's not necessarily cheaper. It's about DOING it and reaping the rewards in terms of results.

I don't reload. But, guys I know who do say it is very relaxing.

AR15 builds? Again I see it as diminishing returns. What was the design and purpose of the AR? I don't think it was sub 1" groups yet there are a lot of guys out there putting in match grade parts in a rifle that was built to milspec and built for battle. I personally think its silly but it isn't my money and time.

You're looking at it as a financial transaction. It's not about that at all. My first P80 build cost nearly triple what I could have bought a factory Glock for. So what? It's not about money. I freakin' built a gun! I built a COOL gun! It's customized to MY liking!

I'll unfollow this thread and move on now, have a great day.

Why did you follow it in the first place? You said these threads annoy you. LOL! I just find that rather amusing. "I hate talking about _, so let's talk about (the thing I hate)."

I just drop-tested my P80 / G34 with the new trigger. It failed one of the tests, dammit. So, it goes!

 

[GlockRik]

chat boards are for chat. I read the title, if it's of no interest to me I don't click on it. talk about a waste of time, why would anyone jump into a subject that has no interest for them. it really is that simple.

an opinion is one thing, but believing everyone else should only do or say what someone deems approiate seems pretty self absorbed.

lighten up and stay away from subjects that trigger you.

@racer, MGB does seem to get stuck in a loop at times. can make it difficult to stay interested in.

 

[racer88]

MGB does seem to get stuck in a loop at times. can make it difficult to stay interested in.

Ha! Yeah... he can be long-winded. But, his stuff is SO MUCH better than the other content out there. He really covers the topic(s) comprehensively.

One trick I use is to bump the Youtube video playback speed to 1.5X. Haha! It helps!

He can also seem over-the-top with attention to details such as polishing parts. But, I do believe it makes a difference.

I agree with the rest of your post regarding following and commenting on threads that "annoy" you. LOL! What's up with that???

 

[nerr]

LOTS of good info above. Racer88 has it nailed. If you do P80 from 80% up, then YOU are the manufacturer. You have to make sure tolerances for parts you finish are right and the parts you use have the right tolerance to match what you did. The chances of your success are proportional to your mechanical abilities, available tools, and patience. I am lacking all but minimal amounts of all of these.

That's why I dipped into the P80 world only as a learning experiment. I have no intention to use them for self-defense, only as range toys. Others may do it and if they thoroughly test the final results of a build it will be perfectly fine in that role.

Just as information, I have had slide tolerance problems with what builds I've done..

I have other Glocks, but I decided to try a G19. Since this was during the really bad 2020 firearms-anything-crunch, I decided to do a build from frames because it was really hard to find completed G19's anywhere and I was not going to pay the increased prices of those I could find.

I got a couple of serialized G19 lowers, as I did not want to do any of the machining (I value my fingers too much). In one, I used a parts kit to fill in the frame and I got the other lower pre-built. I did build up the slides.

I got 2 different non-Glock slides. One a Swenson and one a Brownelles G19 extended. On both the frames, the slides I got would not install smoothly. On one frame I had to smooth off a bit of the locking block to get the slide to move more than halfway back. The other slide would go back, but not all the way and not without having to mess with the trigger while installing. I got that one to work by having a gunsmith take a slight amount off the back of the barrel hood on the Brownelle's.

They both shot fine once I got them working, but still were not as smooth as they should be on disassembly and assembly.

After 3 months of backorder I got a Lone Wolf pre-built upper to put on the one Lone Wolf completed lower. Fit like a glove.

 

[vafish]

I can see keeping P80 threads out of General Glocking, because they aren't Glocks.

But I don't see why anyone would hate on them in the General Firearms Forum.

 

[racer88]

I can see keeping P80 threads out of General Glocking, because they aren't Glocks.

But I don't see why anyone would hate on them in the General Firearms Forum.

Haters gonna hate... on any of the subforums. They even hate on P80s in the Gunsmithing sub-forum! LOL! Logic and reason have nothing to do with it. It's how some people feel "significant."

 

[GlockRik]

lot's of people have very good experience/knowledge and share it freely. that's why I have always liked this place.

and then there are people who just want to shut down any talk about something they don't approve of, usually without any experience or evidence of why.

not agreeing with something is discussion, the "I'm intelligent and you are obviously stupid crowd" that seems to always pop up are for the most part the ones picked last in the junior high dodge ball game.

I'll probably never build a P80, it does interest me, especially since there are now a couple of high priced, improved "factory" guns that look exactly like P80s to my slow mind.

 

[racer88]

I'll probably never build a P80, it does interest me, especially since there are now a couple of high priced, improved "factory" guns that look exactly like P80s to my slow mind.

Ha! We'll see about that!

I bought my P80 frame 2 years ago after I shot a friend's P80 at the range. I thought, "What the hell... it's $130. I'll grab one (before they ban'em) and sit on it for now."

And, I did... for about 2 years. Then the "ghost gun" sabre-rattling grew louder. I decided to go for it.

I spent a LOT of time learning... watching MGB's videos and joining his forum. Then I took my TIME going through each step. Skipping NO steps. I had some challenges (and frustration!) and got some advice from the denizens of the MGB forum. But, slow and steady wins the P80 build race.

You might get some "improved" factory guns that LOOK exactly like P80s. But, I'm tellin' ya... (And it came as a surprise, even to me) There is a real sense of pride and accomplishment when the result is a WORKING gun. And, you'll know that gun "inside and out" to the Nth degree. It's really kinda neat!

You won't save money, though! Not only will the gun likely be more expensive than a factory model... There is the investment in tools. But, man it's fun! And frustrating! But, fun!

Now I'm working on build #2, and I've got THREE more frames waiting in the wings! It can be addictive! One is not enough!

Build #2 (G19) will be less "frilly" than #1 (G34). Here's a mock-up: