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Don’t Blame the Glock
by Andy Rutledge | Apr 16, 2016 | Blog | 8 comments
Don’t Blame the Glock


Last year, the L.A. Times published an op-ed by Bearing Arms editor, Bob Owens, wherein he hung the litany of plain human irresponsibility and resultant failings squarely around the neck of an inanimate object: the Glock pistol.

By Andy Rutledge
* * *
Owens blamed the Glock’s “short trigger pull and lack of an external safety” mechanism for the many injurious and lethal instances of human negligence demonstrated by law enforcement officers. Owens is entirely and demonstrably wrong in this assessment, and for very simple reasons that this article will examine. Oddly enough, even his first two anecdotes are from New York, where the Glock trigger is required to be 12 lbs.; more than twice as heavy as the stock 5.5 lb. Glock trigger weight.
Barring malfunction, safety is dictated by the human who uses or operates a device, no matter what that device is. There is no such thing as a safe or unsafe pistol and no amount of extra, external mechanism applied to a Glock or any modern pistol can render it “safe” in the hands of an incompetent or complacent operator. A person is safe or unsafe and this fact governs all manipulation and operation of firearms. Firearm safety is defined not by mechanisms, but by adherence to four simple and inviolate rules.
  • Always treat every firearm as though it is loaded.
  • Never let the muzzle cover anything you’re not willing to destroy.
  • Keep your finger outside of the trigger guard until your sights are on your target and you’re ready to fire.
  • Always be sure of your target and what is beyond, in front of, and near it.
These are lifesaving rules. Those who don’t adhere to them actively put lives in danger due to their own negligence. For those who adhere to these four simple rules, destructive negligent discharges (there are no accidents) are impossible AND THEY NEVER ENDANGER OTHER LIVES.
The Glock Pistol
The Glock pistol is something of a marvel of engineering simplicity, safety, and reliability. It can remain functional under horrible conditions and it will not fire—is incapable of firing—unless someone or something physically presses the trigger to the rear. There are two internal safeties and one external(ish) trigger-safety on a Glock. Together, these safeties prevent jarring or inertia from sending the trigger to the rear position and prevent the firing pin from being released due to an action other than physical, from-the-front trigger press. These ingenious features ensure that a Glock pistol won’t fire if shaken, dropped, or thrown.
A human finger or some implement must press the front of a Glock trigger to the rear in order for the pistol to fire. By no coincidence, this human finger pressing the trigger to the rear is precisely what is used in every example cited by Mr. Bob Owens in his grossly misleading article. Not surprisingly, the officer in every one of Mr. Owens’ examples fails to adhere to any of the four rules of firearm safety; negligence that comes from complacency and ingrained unsafe habits formed by poor and insufficient training. Here are a couple of Owens’ anecdotes:
“Timothy Stansbury died in a New York housing project stairwell in 2004 because he startled a police officer. The officer’s surprise at encountering Stansbury caused the officer’s hand to clench and his weapon to fire…
…Akai Gurley died in another New York housing project stairwell last fall. A rookie officer with his finger on the trigger of his pistol tensed as he pushed open a stuck door; the added pressure on the trigger caused his weapon to fire a shot down the stairwell. The round ricocheted off the wall to strike Gurley. Though the shot wasn’t intentional and the officer didn’t even know Gurley was there, the death has been ruled a criminal homicide, and the officer’s trial is pending.”
Minimum requisite competence would have prevented both of these negligent homicides. “With his finger on the trigger…”? Any law enforcement officer so negligent as to do anything with his or her finger on the trigger other than aim and deliberately fire at their target is unfit for duty. No exceptions. The officer should be required to train and develop safe habits until such time as he or she can demonstrate a habitual adherence to the four rules of firearm safety before being allowed on duty beyond the desk. No exceptions.
This is no obtuse requirement. I spend time every week with ordinary citizens who are, by habit formed through responsible training, virtually incapable of unsafe firearms manipulations. In the classes, training, and competitions I frequent, things go awry and unexpected, startling things happen with regularity (sometimes even by deliberate plan of the instructor or participants in order to elicit a startled response for training purposes). These ordinary citizens who have trained sufficiently respond safely every time. Even if they bungle what they’re trying to do, they maintain safe control of their weapon, by involuntary habit.
By the same token, those who do not train regularly reveal themselves clearly in these cases. When they do, they’re immediately corrected or asked to leave. Every time I see this I have the habit of engaging the person in conversation and ask how often they train at the range. The response is always the same: “Not very often.”
On the range and while hunting, these ordinary citizens are expected by everyone present to behave safely and safely control their weapon. If an ordinary citizen can be expected to live up to this minimum requirement and successfully meet it, so can any law enforcement officer. It’s not rocket surgery, it’s something that comes with responsible training and it’s an inviolate requirement for anyone who handles firearms—law enforcement officers, especially.
A Negligent Culture
Sadly, the typical law enforcement officer is dangerously complacent and habitually unsafe with firearms. And for good reason: they seldom train with their duty weapons.
Ask any police officer and they’ll almost certainly confirm that police officers, on average, shoot only 100 to 500 rounds a year with their duty weapons in training and qualification. In other words, virtually no training at all; no expectation by peers for safe manipulation; no safe habits given a chance to develop. I’ve seen these habits in almost every police officer I’ve ever spent any time with. Of all the officers I’ve seen handle firearms, out of fifteen or so, I’ve only seen one do so safely. One. By no coincidence, this one officer has done a lot of training at the range—both the static and tactical sort of gun range.
By contrast, the many folks I hang out with on a regular basis—most of whom are not competitive shooters—are at the range every month at minimum and often every week. The fact is you cannot learn the four rules of firearm safety. These are not things that you can ingrain into your habits by reading or verbally repeating them on a regular basis. The only way to become safe with firearms is to handle, manipulate, and shoot firearms around other people on a regular basis over an extended period of time, in an environment where one is watched and firmly corrected by others for safe-handling violations. Only in this way can safe handling become habitual and automatic, and govern how one responds without thinking, under stress. I know this fact from experience. And so does every other safe individual on the planet.
In a healthy environment, like a public or private gun range or while on a hunt, responsible shooters will not tolerate someone who is unsafe with arms. They’ll either actively enforce correction or require the individual leave the premises. But one cannot learn to develop safe habits without continual exposure to this kind of environment and these uncompromising expectations. Police officers seldom if ever encounter such requirements; by choice! And this negligent choice is entirely why they shoot people they don’t intend to shoot.
Excuses and More Excuses
Many police officers and apologists for negligence cite cost as a prohibitive factor to responsible training. It’s a fool’s excuse. A box of 9mm training rounds costs about $14, about the price of lunch and a coffee. A box of duty rounds costs about $20 to $25. There is no reason that an officer can’t spend that $14 a week and perhaps the duty rounds once a month. Doing so would allow him or her to have regular, ongoing experience handing, manipulating, and firing their weapon in the presence of others.
Despite the fact that one box is precious little for a training session, the weekly repetition would allow the officer to develop safe handling habits. And if a police officer is unwilling to make this meager investment in building and maintaining lifesaving habits, he or she is unfit for duty, as Mr. Owens’ article makes clear. As history illustrates, safe habits save more lives than excuses. As for excuses, here are several more from Owens’ article:
“Glock uses the marketing term “Safe Action” to describe its firing-pin system, but the truth is that Glocks are accident-prone. They contributed to more than 120 accidental discharges in the Washington Metropolitan Police Department from 1988 to 1998.”
This is a flat out lie. An inanimate object cannot be “accident prone.” Even Mr. Owens’ use of the term “accidental discharges” shows that he fails to understand the difference between an unpreventable incident and human negligence. A mechanism that is incapable of discharging without trigger press can in no way contribute to any shooting action.
“Just last month, Ocala, Fla., Police Officer Jared Forsyth was shot and killed by a fellow officer after a Glock training session. The fellow officer failed to do a chamber check before pulling the trigger as part of the handgun’s normal disassembly procedure. When the gun fired, the bullet went through a gap in Forsyth’s body armor. Despite the efforts of paramedics to keep him alive, the young officer died on the way to a hospital.”
Note that the negligent officer in this example willfully broke every single rule of firearm safety. This fact, and the fact that he failed to check the chamber and clear the weapon first (something every safe handler does habitually), is why he shot his fellow officer. It was no fault of the pistol; it was individual negligence due to unsafe habit.
Owens goes on:
“…If a law enforcement officer, soldier or citizen does exactly what they are supposed to do all of the time with cyborg certainty, there will be no problems with the Glock or other popular pistols mimicking its basic design. Unfortunately, “RoboCop” is only a movie, and humans are liable to make similar mistakes over and over again.”
Humans behave according to practiced habit in all but the most comfortable settings. There is no pistol, no mechanism, no plan that can prevent untrained, unsafe human beings from acting in negligent fashion when under high stress and holding a firearm. The formation of safe, automatic habits through training is the only mitigation. Mr. Owens is irresponsible to suggest otherwise.
“The underlying problem with these pistols is a short trigger pull and the lack of an external safety. In real-world encounters, a short trigger pull can be lethal, in part because a significant percentage of law enforcement officers — some experts say as high as 20% — put their finger on the trigger of their weapons when under stress. According to firearms trainers, most officers are completely unaware of their tendency to do this and have a hard time believing it, even when they’re shown video evidence from training exercises.”
Of course these inept and negligent officers are unaware of their unsafe tendencies. That’s what training is for; to make an individual aware of and to correct all unsafe, useless, and ill-advised habits and replace them with proper ones so that safety becomes habitual and automatic.
Mr. Owens cites the fact that ~20% of LEOs put their finger on the trigger of their weapons when under stress. And yet, he blames these officers’ negligence on the pistol itself, despite the fact that it’s a clear violation of rule number three. Any officer who wants to be “ready” for whatever happens will also disengage a safety on their weapon, by habit. Else, they’ll die as they squeeze the disengaged trigger when they need to defend their life or the lives of other innocents. Suggesting or believing that officers will keep the safety mechanism engaged while they’re nervous or under stress is ridiculous. Moreover, they should not. Instead they should safely and effectively handle their ready-to-work firearm, safely ready to defend themselves.
“For more than 35 years, officer-involved accidental discharges with Glocks and Glock-like weapons have been blamed on a lack of training or negligence on the part of the individual cops. What critics should be addressing instead is the brutal reality that short trigger pulls and natural human reflexes are a deadly combination.”
Here is where Mr. Owens goes fully negligent himself. He actually recommends that training be ignored and replaced with complex mechanism. The only actually brutal reality made clear by Mr. Owens’ examples and the mountain of similar real-world evidence is that, by and large, police officers are negligently undertrained and habitually unsafe.
Put any firearm in the hands of an unsafe man and the lives of everyone around him will be in danger. Doesn’t matter what quality or feature the firearm possesses. Unsafe people shoot people they don’t intend to shoot. That is the only relevant and inescapable fact in any of this business and it is that fact that should be addressed. No exception.
 
Swiss cheese

Trained or not many people die in car accidents, and airplane accidents (Boeing Max, anyone??) yearly. There are many examples where a "better design" contributes to a safer product, or "poor design" contributes to a more dangerous product - this is learned over time.

Unfortunately we have not gotten to the point of a "consistent operator" and that is where the design safety reaches it's limits. As can be easily seen MANY on this forum are Glock noobs as well as minimally trained in guns period.
 
Aaah, the 4 magic gun safety rules rules pop up once again. Just follow them and accidents cannot happen.

I guess it will never be evident to some that we simply cannot follow these rules consistently no matter how many times people self righteously repeat them.

One approach is to recognize this reality and deal with it by design to reduce incidents. Yes, you can design a safer machine given the end user's known behavior. It's an engineering discipline called design failure mode and effects analysis. The 4 rules would be called a control, but they would be given a high severity and low detection number so would be judged ineffective in preventing failure.

The other approach is to call it user error (which it is), but then angrily repeat a platitude that was just demonstrated to not be effective in preventing the incident. I guarantee the officer knew those 4 rules of gun safety.

We are surely not perfect and never will be, and no machine can ever be called idiot proof since that seems to be taken as a challenge, but there are degrees of better and worse.

I think as an engineer who used to design parts that had injury potential, it bothers me that the reality is (apparently) not considered with design improvements.

Maybe Glock goes through this exercise frequently and I'm not giving them enough credit, but if the only thing they did was to design the take down of the gun so the trigger did not need to be pulled it would prevent many accidents. It is simply not the best design out there in the field today given the incompetent user.
 
People compromise and undermine safe use of firearms in part by holding attitudes that they will one day have an ND.

The old saying:

There are two types of gun owners those who have had a negligent discharge and those who will.

Assumption everyone will.

That defeats the proper attitude to always take positive action in safe handling.

The four rules as formulated by Cooper is an excellent set of principles to mitigate a human error or a mechanical failure. Not mechanical failure can happen and would properly be identified as an AD.

Yet if you are lackadaisical in your gun handling even those four rules may not save the day.

Part of the no accident mindset is to learn how your particular gun works and operates.

Glocks have the trigger characteristic that many find difficult to use safely.

Other guns have their characteristics too.

One example that I learned about as a teenager first using pump shotguns.

Original Ithaca 37 and Winchester 12 that were available to me had the "slam fire" disconnect. Thus if the trigger was still pulled and the action cycled the fresh round would fire.

Extra care was needed to be sure to keep your finger or gloves etc out of the trigger guard after a shot. Even then follow the four rules.

The Savage 67 did not have that slam fire capability so one could say the engineered feature avoided this hazard.

Yet still need to follow the four rules.

Later models of the Ithaca no longer had the slam fire feature.

The safe shooter with deliberate control and attitude is the foundation for safe use and handling.

Learning and reinforcing that attitude does not require thousands of rounds of practice.

It requires diligent application and self improvement. The proper attitude is "I will take actions to never have an ND".

This has worked for me since 1967.

Self check your attitude. Do you accept that you will one day have an ND?


Food for thought.
 
First of all....it is a NEGLEGENT DISCHARGE......if your finger is on the trigger.....Read up on Dr Roger Anoka (sp?) Professor of Physiology at the Univ of Colorado. Startled response. Postural Instability and Overflow effect....these are the reasons we keep our booger picker off the bang switch......
 
Don't blame the Glock, but blame the Sig P320.
 
It's "easier" (compared to some other designs) to "ND" a Glock, if you're
not fully invested in safe weapons handling. It's all about training and
"full focus" while handling any weapon; it only takes a moment of
complacency to make an "error" (while weapon handling) and
"BLAM" there's a hole in something (hopefully inanimate).
 

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Don’t Blame the Glock
by Andy Rutledge | Apr 16, 2016 | Blog | 8 comments
Don’t Blame the Glock


Last year, the L.A. Times published an op-ed by Bearing Arms editor, Bob Owens, wherein he hung the litany of plain human irresponsibility and resultant failings squarely around the neck of an inanimate object: the Glock pistol.

By Andy Rutledge
* * *
Owens blamed the Glock’s “short trigger pull and lack of an external safety” mechanism for the many injurious and lethal instances of human negligence demonstrated by law enforcement officers. Owens is entirely and demonstrably wrong in this assessment, and for very simple reasons that this article will examine. Oddly enough, even his first two anecdotes are from New York, where the Glock trigger is required to be 12 lbs.; more than twice as heavy as the stock 5.5 lb. Glock trigger weight.
Barring malfunction, safety is dictated by the human who uses or operates a device, no matter what that device is. There is no such thing as a safe or unsafe pistol and no amount of extra, external mechanism applied to a Glock or any modern pistol can render it “safe” in the hands of an incompetent or complacent operator. A person is safe or unsafe and this fact governs all manipulation and operation of firearms. Firearm safety is defined not by mechanisms, but by adherence to four simple and inviolate rules.
  • Always treat every firearm as though it is loaded.
  • Never let the muzzle cover anything you’re not willing to destroy.
  • Keep your finger outside of the trigger guard until your sights are on your target and you’re ready to fire.
  • Always be sure of your target and what is beyond, in front of, and near it.
These are lifesaving rules. Those who don’t adhere to them actively put lives in danger due to their own negligence. For those who adhere to these four simple rules, destructive negligent discharges (there are no accidents) are impossible AND THEY NEVER ENDANGER OTHER LIVES.
The Glock Pistol
The Glock pistol is something of a marvel of engineering simplicity, safety, and reliability. It can remain functional under horrible conditions and it will not fire—is incapable of firing—unless someone or something physically presses the trigger to the rear. There are two internal safeties and one external(ish) trigger-safety on a Glock. Together, these safeties prevent jarring or inertia from sending the trigger to the rear position and prevent the firing pin from being released due to an action other than physical, from-the-front trigger press. These ingenious features ensure that a Glock pistol won’t fire if shaken, dropped, or thrown.
A human finger or some implement must press the front of a Glock trigger to the rear in order for the pistol to fire. By no coincidence, this human finger pressing the trigger to the rear is precisely what is used in every example cited by Mr. Bob Owens in his grossly misleading article. Not surprisingly, the officer in every one of Mr. Owens’ examples fails to adhere to any of the four rules of firearm safety; negligence that comes from complacency and ingrained unsafe habits formed by poor and insufficient training. Here are a couple of Owens’ anecdotes:


Minimum requisite competence would have prevented both of these negligent homicides. “With his finger on the trigger…”? Any law enforcement officer so negligent as to do anything with his or her finger on the trigger other than aim and deliberately fire at their target is unfit for duty. No exceptions. The officer should be required to train and develop safe habits until such time as he or she can demonstrate a habitual adherence to the four rules of firearm safety before being allowed on duty beyond the desk. No exceptions.
This is no obtuse requirement. I spend time every week with ordinary citizens who are, by habit formed through responsible training, virtually incapable of unsafe firearms manipulations. In the classes, training, and competitions I frequent, things go awry and unexpected, startling things happen with regularity (sometimes even by deliberate plan of the instructor or participants in order to elicit a startled response for training purposes). These ordinary citizens who have trained sufficiently respond safely every time. Even if they bungle what they’re trying to do, they maintain safe control of their weapon, by involuntary habit.
By the same token, those who do not train regularly reveal themselves clearly in these cases. When they do, they’re immediately corrected or asked to leave. Every time I see this I have the habit of engaging the person in conversation and ask how often they train at the range. The response is always the same: “Not very often.”
On the range and while hunting, these ordinary citizens are expected by everyone present to behave safely and safely control their weapon. If an ordinary citizen can be expected to live up to this minimum requirement and successfully meet it, so can any law enforcement officer. It’s not rocket surgery, it’s something that comes with responsible training and it’s an inviolate requirement for anyone who handles firearms—law enforcement officers, especially.
A Negligent Culture
Sadly, the typical law enforcement officer is dangerously complacent and habitually unsafe with firearms. And for good reason: they seldom train with their duty weapons.
Ask any police officer and they’ll almost certainly confirm that police officers, on average, shoot only 100 to 500 rounds a year with their duty weapons in training and qualification. In other words, virtually no training at all; no expectation by peers for safe manipulation; no safe habits given a chance to develop. I’ve seen these habits in almost every police officer I’ve ever spent any time with. Of all the officers I’ve seen handle firearms, out of fifteen or so, I’ve only seen one do so safely. One. By no coincidence, this one officer has done a lot of training at the range—both the static and tactical sort of gun range.
By contrast, the many folks I hang out with on a regular basis—most of whom are not competitive shooters—are at the range every month at minimum and often every week. The fact is you cannot learn the four rules of firearm safety. These are not things that you can ingrain into your habits by reading or verbally repeating them on a regular basis. The only way to become safe with firearms is to handle, manipulate, and shoot firearms around other people on a regular basis over an extended period of time, in an environment where one is watched and firmly corrected by others for safe-handling violations. Only in this way can safe handling become habitual and automatic, and govern how one responds without thinking, under stress. I know this fact from experience. And so does every other safe individual on the planet.
In a healthy environment, like a public or private gun range or while on a hunt, responsible shooters will not tolerate someone who is unsafe with arms. They’ll either actively enforce correction or require the individual leave the premises. But one cannot learn to develop safe habits without continual exposure to this kind of environment and these uncompromising expectations. Police officers seldom if ever encounter such requirements; by choice! And this negligent choice is entirely why they shoot people they don’t intend to shoot.
Excuses and More Excuses
Many police officers and apologists for negligence cite cost as a prohibitive factor to responsible training. It’s a fool’s excuse. A box of 9mm training rounds costs about $14, about the price of lunch and a coffee. A box of duty rounds costs about $20 to $25. There is no reason that an officer can’t spend that $14 a week and perhaps the duty rounds once a month. Doing so would allow him or her to have regular, ongoing experience handing, manipulating, and firing their weapon in the presence of others.
Despite the fact that one box is precious little for a training session, the weekly repetition would allow the officer to develop safe handling habits. And if a police officer is unwilling to make this meager investment in building and maintaining lifesaving habits, he or she is unfit for duty, as Mr. Owens’ article makes clear. As history illustrates, safe habits save more lives than excuses. As for excuses, here are several more from Owens’ article:

This is a flat out lie. An inanimate object cannot be “accident prone.” Even Mr. Owens’ use of the term “accidental discharges” shows that he fails to understand the difference between an unpreventable incident and human negligence. A mechanism that is incapable of discharging without trigger press can in no way contribute to any shooting action.

Note that the negligent officer in this example willfully broke every single rule of firearm safety. This fact, and the fact that he failed to check the chamber and clear the weapon first (something every safe handler does habitually), is why he shot his fellow officer. It was no fault of the pistol; it was individual negligence due to unsafe habit.
Owens goes on:

Humans behave according to practiced habit in all but the most comfortable settings. There is no pistol, no mechanism, no plan that can prevent untrained, unsafe human beings from acting in negligent fashion when under high stress and holding a firearm. The formation of safe, automatic habits through training is the only mitigation. Mr. Owens is irresponsible to suggest otherwise.

Of course these inept and negligent officers are unaware of their unsafe tendencies. That’s what training is for; to make an individual aware of and to correct all unsafe, useless, and ill-advised habits and replace them with proper ones so that safety becomes habitual and automatic.
Mr. Owens cites the fact that ~20% of LEOs put their finger on the trigger of their weapons when under stress. And yet, he blames these officers’ negligence on the pistol itself, despite the fact that it’s a clear violation of rule number three. Any officer who wants to be “ready” for whatever happens will also disengage a safety on their weapon, by habit. Else, they’ll die as they squeeze the disengaged trigger when they need to defend their life or the lives of other innocents. Suggesting or believing that officers will keep the safety mechanism engaged while they’re nervous or under stress is ridiculous. Moreover, they should not. Instead they should safely and effectively handle their ready-to-work firearm, safely ready to defend themselves.

Here is where Mr. Owens goes fully negligent himself. He actually recommends that training be ignored and replaced with complex mechanism. The only actually brutal reality made clear by Mr. Owens’ examples and the mountain of similar real-world evidence is that, by and large, police officers are negligently undertrained and habitually unsafe.
Put any firearm in the hands of an unsafe man and the lives of everyone around him will be in danger. Doesn’t matter what quality or feature the firearm possesses. Unsafe people shoot people they don’t intend to shoot. That is the only relevant and inescapable fact in any of this business and it is that fact that should be addressed. No exception.
I agree, and have instructed this exact same curriculum to scores of our deputies...the Only unsafe component of the Glock (or any) pistol, is the human trigger finger... control That component, and there will Not be any unintentional discharges
 
There was a training video that showed examples the 3 physiological responses I mentioned above....I can't find it but there is plenty of info out there....
 
Only two kinds of accidents.

Preventable.

Non Preventable.

Most accidents involve violations of safety rules.

Training cost money, is is cheaper then defending a law suit.

Training build mussel memory.
 
Why don’t police officers train often with their duty firearm on their own initiative? They can practice drawing and dry firing with no cost except a little time. Their job is to arrest bad guys who are dangerous. Looks like they would want to be proficient with the tools they might need to survive deadly encounters.
 
Why don’t police officers train often with their duty firearm on their own initiative? They can practice drawing and dry firing with no cost except a little time. Their job is to arrest bad guys who are dangerous. Looks like they would want to be proficient with the tool they might need to survive deadly encounters?
Why don’t 99% of gun owners routinely train with their gun? It’s not just a cop issue.

Training takes dedication to the task. Whether it’s strength training, firearms training or any other training; it takes dedication. Most cops are NOT gun people this will get worse as we bash the gun culture with Hitler like fanaticism. Cops see it as a low use tool. If they can’t be bothered to not be lard assess, what makes you think they will do extra work on other skills?

What happens when cops go outside of their department training norms. Do they get rewarded or punished?
 
Why don’t 99% of gun owners routinely train with their gun? It’s not just a cop issue.

Training takes dedication to the task. Whether it’s strength training, firearms training or any other training; it takes dedication. Most cops are NOT gun people this will get worse as we bash the gun culture with Hitler like fanaticism. Cops see it as a low use tool. If they can’t be bothered to not be lard assess, what makes you think they will do extra work on other skills?

What happens when cops go outside of their department training norms. Do they get rewarded or punished?
I understand your point about gun owners in general. However, cops who actively enforce the law are in danger every day.

I‘d like to think people who work dangerous jobs, like maintaining high voltage electric transmisson lines or being dispatched to domestic violence calls, would want to be highly competent in using their tools.

Cop complacency puzzles me.
 
Most federal officers are no better about firearms training than police officers. Thank god my agency qualified quarterly and drills and judgement shooting were provided after qualifications. You just can’t miss fast enough to save your ass.
Why don’t police officers train often with their duty firearm on their own initiative? They can practice drawing and dry firing with no cost except a little time. Their job is to arrest bad guys who are dangerous. Looks like they would want to be proficient with the tools they might need to survive deadly encounters.
 
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