[Dillon03]

I'm disappointed you think having a gun for self-defense is a red flag. I would have expected better for a forum made for talking about Glocks.

 

[indivi]

I'm disappointed you think having a gun for self-defense is a red flag. I would have expected better for a forum made for talking about Glocks.

Just stop.

Your behavior is the red flag, not owning a firearm for self protection. And I'll go so far as to state the obvious and say you likely have no business even owning a firearm which is why you are desperately going the Ghost Gun route to accomplish the acquisition of a firearm.

 

[Three blackbelts]

No. Having a gun for self defense is cool. It's you. You stink like red flags. I hope your parents or the feds see what you are doing and stop you before you go any further.

 

[Dillon03]

My parents are willing to buy me a handgun. They know that I'm building a gun. I wanted to build my own, though, since it didn't seem that difficult. And I haven't displayed any behavior that shows red flags. In most states, you can buy a gun from private sellers as an adult anyway. Your arbitrary opinion over whether I should be able to own a gun or not has no bearing on anything, just as mine has no bearing on you.

And in regards to your "ghost gun" comment, in almost all states you are not required to register or serialize guns that you make yourself and intend to use only for yourself. And in the few states with those laws, there's overwhelming data to show that criminals do not follow these laws and they have no effect on crime on anything whatsoever.

 

[CBTENGR]

@Dillon03 You do really need to watch the following videos before you go any further. And as far as cutting a barrel and recrowning, while it isn't hard to do, you still need to know exactly what you are doing so that ou do NOT mess with the heat treat or temper of the steel. And YES you do need to worry about the crown on the barrel. If the crown is off bad enough, who knows where the bullet will go.

And here is a link to all of the Marine Gun Builder videos. Yes some of the older videos do need to be edited, especially where opening up pin holes is mentioned. Never open up any pin hole!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/c/MarineGunBuilder/videos

And please don't argue with me about ruining the heat treatment (hardness) and temper of steel by improperly cutting the barrel. I am a retired tool and die maker and have heat treated all kinds of different metals in my career.

 

[indivi]

@Dillon03 You do really need to watch the following videos before you go any further. And as far as cutting a barrel and recrowning, while it isn't hard to do, you still need to know exactly what you are doing so that ou do NOT mess with the heat treat or temper of the steel. And YES you do need to worry about the crown on the barrel. If the crown is off bad enough, who knows where the bullet will go.

And here is a link to all of the Marine Gun Builder videos. Yes some of the older videos do need to be edited, especially where opening up pin holes is mentioned. Never open up any pin hole!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/c/MarineGunBuilder/videos

And please don't argue with me about ruining the heat treatment (hardness) and temper of steel by improperly cutting the barrel. I am a retired tool and die maker and have heat treated all kinds of different metals in my career.

You do realize you are likely talking to a 16 or 17 year old, do you?

 

[Dillon03]

Oh, and in regards to the "desperately trying to get a gun" comment, I think that person seems to forget the fact that in the United States (and I suspect, the world, though obviously I am less informed on that) there are countless ways for someone to get a gun if he was truly "desperate." Such as 3D printing a guns (about $150-160 for a good starter printer like the Creality Ender 3, $20 for a roll of PLA or PLA+ filament), driving across state lines and buying a gun from a lax private seller who doesn't check for ID (or getting a fake ID for that state), buying a gun illegally off the black market, getting or paying someone who is old enough to buy the gun for you and then having them transfer it to you, and more.

Restricting guns in any way is pointless, is my point.

 

[Dillon03]

You do realize you are likely talking to a 16 or 17 year old, do you?

I already said before I am over 18, which is the age of adulthood in my state and most of the US. I don't think anyone here would argue that an adult has the right to defend himself.

And not that this is the point, but I am not opposed to 16 year or 17 year olds owning handguns either, as long as they are responsible and trained with them. I don't get all this anti-gun sentiment from a Glock forum. We trust 16 year olds to drive cars all by themselves, which are very, very deadly machines. But again, that is besides the point, anyway.

 

[indivi]

I am officially now much dumber from this thread.

My parents are willing to buy me a handgun. They know that I'm building a gun. I wanted to build my own, though, since it didn't seem that difficult. And I haven't displayed any behavior that shows red flags. In most states, you can buy a gun from private sellers as an adult anyway. Your arbitrary opinion over whether I should be able to own a gun or not has no bearing on anything, just as mine has no bearing on you.

I'm calling BS. If your parents would straw purchase you a firearm, we would not be having this conversation.

And in regards to your "ghost gun" comment, in almost all states you are not required to register or serialize guns that you make yourself and intend to use only for yourself. And in the few states with those laws, there's overwhelming data to show that criminals do not follow these laws and they have no effect on crime on anything whatsoever.

Let's spare everyone the 2A banter. It is because of people looking to illegally obtain weapons that we face many attacks on the 2A over these very same methods. The last thing we or the 2A need is those same individuals trying to preach about it.

 

[Three blackbelts]

Nothing like a sixteen year old boy who's a gunsmith and a lawyer lecturing grown men who each have decades of experience shooting.

 

[CBTENGR]

While it is legal per federal law for a person age 18-20 to possess a handgun, it is not legal for them to purchase a handgun from a FFL. And without know what state you live in, it might or might not be legal for you to own/pssess a handgun at ages 18-20. As it is, the laws are the laws that we must obey or face incarceration. We don't have to like the laws but we do need to follow them.

And with your attitude, I am definitely done helping you on here and on the MGB forum. It is blatantly obvious that you do not know what you are doing and should not be building any type of firearm. I have been patient with you and have even taken some heat over helping you and other people with their 80% builds here. Either take the advice given or not, your choice. But to go off on others is wrong. And that goes for everyone that does that.

 

[Rocky7]

I already said before I am over 18, which is the age of adulthood in my state and most of the US. I don't think anyone here would argue that an adult has the right to defend himself.

And not that this is the point, but I am not opposed to 16 year or 17 year olds owning handguns either, as long as they are responsible and trained with them. I don't get all this anti-gun sentiment from a Glock forum. We trust 16 year olds to drive cars all by themselves, which are very, very deadly machines. But again, that is besides the point, anyway.

Does your state allow legally you to buy or own a p80?

 

[Dillon03]

I'm calling BS. If your parents would straw purchase you a firearm, we would not be having this conversation.

My parents are willing to purchase me a handgun, and this is not called a "straw purchase." A straw purchase is an illegal transfer of a gun to a prohibited person by someone who was allowed to purchase the gun. A parent or grandparent transferring a gun to a minor is a perfectly legal transfer, as defined under CA Pen. Code, §§ 27870-27875, 30910-30915. To transfer a handgun legally, the recipient must "obtain a Handgun Safety Certificate prior to taking possession and must also submit a Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction and $19 fee to the DOJ within 30 days after taking possession."

Like I said earlier in this thread, I might have one of my parents buy a stripped lower receiver or a new gun for me as a whole. Though, that might no be possible because the gun I want is not on the roster in the state which I live, another reason I wanted to build it.

Let's spare everyone the 2A banter. It is because of people looking to illegally obtain weapons that we face many attacks on the 2A over these very same methods. The last thing we or the 2A need is those same individuals trying to preach about it.

I am not illegally trying to obtain weapons any more than you or anyone else on this thread is. If you think an adult should not be allowed to own a firearm, then neither should you. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to send that this country thinks sending 18 year olds to go fight in war is absolutely fine, but drinking alcohol or even owning a gun to defend oneself is seen as almost taboo. If you don't want to help me on my build then that's fine, but there's no need to say that I shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. I would never try to restrict your right to defend yourself, so please don't do so for me.

 

[Dillon03]

Does your state allow legally you to buy or own a p80?

Rocky, I have already stated I do not intend to abide by immoral and unconstitutional laws, so I don't see a reason to answer that question. If that concerns you, you are free to not assist me and not respond.

 

[CBTENGR]

Like I said earlier in this thread, I might have one of my parents buy a stripped lower receiver or a new gun for me as a whole. Though, that might no be possible because the gun I want is not on the roster in the state which I live, another reason I wanted to build it.

I am going to have to say you live in California. And if that is the case it is illegal for anyone under 21 to buy a handgun since all sales must go through a FFL.

The following is from the California government website

What is the process for purchasing a firearm in California?

• Generally, all firearms purchases and transfers, including private party transactions and sales at gun shows, must be made through a California licensed dealer under the Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) process. California law imposes a 10-day waiting period before a firearm can be released to a purchaser or transferee.
  Pursuant to Penal Code section 27510, a California licensed dealer is prohibited from selling, supplying, delivering, transferring or giving possession or control of any firearm to any person under the age of 21 years, except as specifically exempted. The exemptions apply to the sale, supplying, delivery, transfer, or giving possession or control of a firearm that is not a handgun to a person 18 years of age or older.
  

Frequently Asked Questions

 

[Dillon03]

While it is legal per federal law for a person age 18-20 to possess a handgun, it is not legal for them to purchase a handgun from a FFL. And without know what state you live in, it might or might not be legal for you to own/pssess a handgun at ages 18-20. As it is, the laws are the laws that we must obey or face incarceration. We don't have to like the laws but we do need to follow them.

And with your attitude, I am definitely done helping you on here and on the MGB forum. It is blatantly obvious that you do not know what you are doing and should not be building any type of firearm. I have been patient with you and have even taken some heat over helping you and other people with their 80% builds here. Either take the advice given or not, your choice. But to go off on others is wrong. And that goes for everyone that does that.

I did not ask for you to help me in the first place, and you are certainly free to stop at any time you want. And yes, as I stated earlier I don't know what I'm doing and I have very little experience with guns.

I already said, again, that I would the advice I was given. I appreciate you and others giving it to me, but I did not ask you to "take heat" for me. If you're feeling pressured then you are free to leave.

 

[Dillon03]

I am going to have to say you live in California. And if that is the case it is illegal for anyone under 21 to buy a handgun since all sales must go through a FFL.

The following is from the California government website



Frequently Asked Questions

Please, CBT, read before you post. I posted the exact penal code listing the process for intrafamilial handgun transfers. It is a little known law, so I will cut you some slack, but here, I will post it again:

CA Pen. Code, §§ 27870-27875, 30910-30915. To transfer a handgun legally, the recipient must "obtain a Handgun Safety Certificate prior to taking possession and must also submit a Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction and $19 fee to the DOJ within 30 days after taking possession."

 

[Dillon03]

1. Can I give a firearm to my adult child? Can he/she give it back to me later?
   • Yes, as long as the adult child receiving the firearm is not in a prohibited category, pdf and the firearm is legal to possess (e.g., not an assault weapon). The transfer of a firearm between a parent and child or a grandparent and grandchild is exempt from the dealer transfer requirement. The exemption does not apply to step-children/step-parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, or cousins.
     If the firearm is a handgun, the recipient must obtain a Handgun Safety Certificate prior to taking possession and must also submit a Report of Operation of Law or Intra-Familial Handgun Transaction and $19 fee to the DOJ within 30 days after taking possession.
     The same rules apply to the return of the firearm at a later date.
     (Pen. Code, §§ 27870-27875, 30910-30915.)

The full explanation. From Frequently Asked Questions if you're interested.

 

[Rocky7]

Rocky, I have already stated I do not intend to abide by immoral and unconstitutional laws, so I don't see a reason to answer that question. If that concerns you, you are free to not assist me and not respond.

Yupper, you are illegal in California. You needed to apply for a background check and a seralized number for the assembly.
Suggest no assistance to you in aiding your continuing crime.

 

[indivi]

Moderators will probably close this thread at some point. OP is obviously up to some illegal shennanigans.

So a late IBTL is in order, I would presume.