[45caldan]

Anyone else have a C&R license and run into sellers on GB that say they don’t accept them?

I mean why the hell not?
It perfectly legal if the gun qualifies.

it’s frustrating and a pain in the butt to have to go through an FFL, do the paperwork and pay a transfer fee when you shouldn’t need to...

I know someone will say it’s their prerogative but why put a buyer unnecessarily BS when it’s legal!

sorry just had to vent.

 

[akpls]

Anyone else have a C&R license and run into sellers on GB that say they don’t accept them?

I mean why the hell not?
It perfectly legal if the gun qualifies.

it’s frustrating and a pain in the butt to have to go through an FFL, do the paperwork and pay a transfer fee when you shouldn’t need to...

I know someone will say it’s their prerogative but why put a buyer unnecessarily BS when it’s legal!

sorry just had to vent.

I've always wondered about this too, but just figure that they don't want my money and skip right on by.

 

[RUT]

It's true, but ironically companies like AIM Surplus have no problem with it. Go figure....

 

[banger]

If a person is not intimately familiar with the "in's and out's" of dealing in C&R.... Why risk the trouble.

Like myself, I do not do business with California residents.

The few bucks to be made are not worth the risk.

 

[45caldan]

If a person is not intimately familiar with the "in's and out's" of dealing in C&R.... Why risk the trouble.

Like myself, I do not do business with California residents.

The few bucks to be made are not worth the risk.

Ins and Outs are, If it qualifies (more than 50 years old) a C&R is as good as a full FFL!

Curios & Relics | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

A regulation implementing federal firearms laws, 27 CFR § 478.11, defines curio or relic (C&R) firearms as those which are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than is associated with firearms intended for sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons.

www.atf.gov

Some dealers simply have a blanket statement that they accept C&R licenses where applicable!

CA is a whole 'nother topic!

 

[DrewBone]

I'm afraid that things are not always cut & dry.

E.g., in New York state, thanks to the NY Safe Act, every firearm transfer that takes place in the state, including the transfer of firearms that are C&R eligible, must be done through a NY State FFL dealer - which also requires that a mandatory NICS check be performed on the transferee, even if that individual has a valid C&R Type 03 license. The NY Safe Act effectively voids the Federal C&R license issued to a resident of NY State for transfers/use inside the state of NY, and that has pissed off many NY C&R holders across the state, and rightfully so.

A month or so ago I found out that my dealer friend up in NY had taken in two S&W model 41 pistols on trade...one a 5.5" and the other a 7-3/8" model, the latter of which according to its serial number was C&R eligible, so I asked him about sending it to me here in NC, but his response was no, due to the 'Safe Act, he couldn't. I did my research and ended up speaking to a gentleman at the firearm branch of the NY State Police and was informed that to his knowledge there was nothing preventing a NYS FFL dealer from legally shipping a C&R eligible firearm, either a handgun or long gun to an out of state C&R license holder. I mentioned this to my FFL friend and I asked him to get in touch with his contact at the NY State Police and get back to me...he called me back the next day and said that I was right as he'd gotten the green light from his contact at the NY State Police and what was my debit card info please

I've ordered and received C&R eligible fireams from a number of different out of state FFL's, including Cabela's, with only one (J&G Sales) asking me for a copy of my drivers license to accompany my C&R, which I was happy to provide. As far as Gunstroker is concerned, with the increase in scam activity being reported as of late, I think it's in a sellers best interests to deal only with and through bonafide FFL dealers that they can easily confirm/verify their FFL license number and shipping address.

The money I've saved on transfer fee costs has many times over paid for the $30 cost of the 3 year C&R license, and although it doesn't seem right and it definately sucks for someone not to accept a C&R license, sometimes you just have to spend a little extra $$ on that transfer fee - or you simply don't purchase from such dealers.

 

[Terry G]

I've bought literally dozens of C&R guns and never had a problem. Signed copy of the License went on file and after that it was look out credit card. AIM, Century, J&G Sales, just to name a few. Maybe a Gun Broker thing?

 

[45caldan]

I've bought literally dozens of C&R guns and never had a problem. Signed copy of the License went on file and after that it was look out credit card. AIM, Century, J&G Sales, just to name a few. Maybe a Gun Broker thing?

Just SOME sellers....

 

[45caldan]

I'm afraid that things are not always cut & dry.

E.g., in New York state, thanks to the NY Safe Act, every firearm transfer that takes place in the state, including the transfer of firearms that are C&R eligible, must be done through a NY State FFL dealer - which also requires that a mandatory NICS check be performed on the transferee, even if that individual has a valid C&R Type 03 license. The NY Safe Act effectively voids the Federal C&R license issued to a resident of NY State for transfers/use inside the state of NY, and that has pissed off many NY C&R holders across the state, and rightfully so.

A month or so ago I found out that my dealer friend up in NY had taken in two S&W model 41 pistols on trade...one a 5.5" and the other a 7-3/8" model, the latter of which according to its serial number was C&R eligible, so I asked him about sending it to me here in NC, but his response was no, due to the 'Safe Act, he couldn't. I did my research and ended up speaking to a gentleman at the firearm branch of the NY State Police and was informed that to his knowledge there was nothing preventing a NYS FFL dealer from legally shipping a C&R eligible firearm, either a handgun or long gun to an out of state C&R license holder. I mentioned this to my FFL friend and I asked him to get in touch with his contact at the NY State Police and get back to me...he called me back the next day and said that I was right as he'd gotten the green light from his contact at the NY State Police and what was my debit card info please

I've ordered and received C&R eligible fireams from a number of different out of state FFL's, including Cabela's, with only one (J&G Sales) asking me for a copy of my drivers license to accompany my C&R, which I was happy to provide. As far as Gunstroker is concerned, with the increase in scam activity being reported as of late, I think it's in a sellers best interests to deal only with and through bonafide FFL dealers that they can easily confirm/verify their FFL license number and shipping address.

I forget sometimes not everyone lives in a free state....

 

[cciman]

Devils advocate here: As a seller on gunbroker, one must have a CYA attitude, because the buyer is just an email and shipping address. No point losing years of sleep for a few measly bucks of profit. CYA.

Part of the problem is not all C&R buyers are GGs ("Good Guys")-- as I recall, it was pretty easy to get a C&R license, when I had one- no background checks, no fingerprints, questionable enforcement of records (do you know anyone who has had their C&R records audited not related to other criminal charges????). - just paperwork and fees.

The advantages of an FFL transfer:
receipt of goods
minor insurance that the buyer is legal to receive a firearm
record (and third party) of transaction so weapons found related to future criminal actions don't affect the seller
receipt of goods and transaction
ignorant or insecure seller

Key word is "liability"--- how much emotional or legal liability do you want in selling a gun. You are naïve to believe that every 2nd amendment lover is a GG.