[collim1]

These god damned capitalists are going to ruin everything for the good communists who think they can control the cost of goods that they don't own.

How dare an importer decide how much they are going to charge for a gun that they bought from a manufacturer, that's some grade-A number #1 American bull**** right there.

We need these SVD's at affordable prices and if we don't get them at the price we think they should go for, then damn it, that's just not right.

The point is not capitalism. The point is it goes against his entire philosophy for the business and his YouTube channel.

He is one of the most popular YT gun guys and has a huge loyal following. He has openly condemned this kind of thing for years and then he baits his customers into a price gouge.

I see why they are frustrated. Making false bids on the other hand is not ok IMO.

But I get the argument for supply and demand, capitalism etc as well. You are not wrong.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts doing sponsored reviews soon, or even if he is already and isn’t being open about it.

 

[amd65]

I thought FEG went out of business a few years ago...

 

[ronin.45]

So, let's get this straight.
Collectors really wanted a rifle that wasn't available.
An importer arranged for a very limited run to be produced and imported.
A dealer paid for all of them and then put them on an auction site where they would go for whatever they are actually worth.
People who couldn't afford the going price got angry and screwed with the auctions.

Do we get mad at the dealer trying to make profit, the collectors actually willing to pay top dollar for a crappy old rifle, or the petty jackasses mad because they can't afford to even be involved?

 

[cowboy1964]

Hope GB deletes their accounts. It's one thing to bid legitimately and then not follow through but if you bid $9,999,998, you're obviously *** around.

 

[DaleGribble]

The point is not capitalism. The point is goes against his entire philosophy for then business and his YouTube channel. He is one of the most popular YT gun guys and has a huge loyal following. He has openly condemned this kind of thing for years and then he baits his customers into a price gouge.

I see why they are frustrated. Making false bids on the other hand is not ok IMO.

But I get the argument for supply and demand, capitalism etc as well. You are not wrong.

Your premise, that he baited and is price gouging is simply wrong. Price gouging is not a real thing, it's a made-up economic construct. The free market determines what goods are worth, it's not about being "fair" or ensuring everyone has a chance to own the same object regardless of ability to pay.

While I don't like Tim from MAC, what he did was not wrong in the slightest. The MSRP on these rifles is $7500 and he listed them on GB for $5000. There is simply nothing wrong with that. If he knew the demand was there and listed them at $10K there is nothing wrong with that.

The more people embrace the idea of price gouging they damage the ability of capitalists to make money and when people can't make money the production of goods will come to a hard stop, and then everyone loses.

 

[DaleGribble]

So, let's get this straight.
Collectors really wanted a rifle that wasn't available.
An importer arranged for a very limited run to be produced and imported.
A dealer paid for all of them and then put them on an auction site where they would go for whatever they are actually worth.
People who couldn't afford the going price got angry and screwed with the auctions.

Do we get mad at the dealer trying to make profit, the collectors actually willing to pay top dollar for a crappy old rifle, or the petty jackasses mad because they can't afford to even be involved?

 

[tango44]

I'm tired of MAC and his sensationalism, at the beggining it was fun and objective, now is not, he went down the flush and he loose control...

 

[Schrag4]

Your premise, that he baited and is price gouging is simply wrong. Price gouging is not a real thing, it's a made-up economic construct. The free market determines what goods are worth, it's not about being "fair" or ensuring everyone has a chance to own the same object regardless of ability to pay.

While I don't like Tim from MAC, what he did was not wrong in the slightest. The MSRP on these rifles is $7500 and he listed them on GB for $5000. There is simply nothing wrong with that. If he knew the demand was there and listed them at $10K there is nothing wrong with that.

The more people embrace the idea of price gouging they damage the ability of capitalists to make money and when people can't make money the production of goods will come to a hard stop, and then everyone loses.

The bolded wasn’t made clear early on in this thread, and it changes everything, drastically. Are people seriously upset that he stated bidding a full 33% below MSRP? Or are they upset that other people will out bid them?
Seriously, it sounds to me like people are upset that they couldn’t buy them from CC at a fixed price and then flip them in GB for a huge profit. Who’s the greedy one in this scenario? The ones who are complaining.

 

[DaleGribble]

The bolded wasn’t made clear early on in this thread, and it changes everything, drastically. Are people seriously upset that he stated bidding a full 33% below MSRP? Or are they upset that other people will out bid them?
Seriously, it sounds to me like people are upset that they couldn’t buy them from CC at a fixed price and then flip them in GB for a huge profit. Who’s the greedy one in this scenario? The ones who are complaining.

That's what Tim from MAC said and that's what they're priced at on Copper Custom's website. I honestly believe him even though I don't like him.

Zastava clones which are similar and not as well built as anything FEG makes are priced at $3200.

Zastava Arms PAP M91SR AK Sniper Rifle 7.62X54R Black - SR91762

Zastava Arms SR91762: This M91 semi-automatic sniper rifle is designed based on the well-known and battle-proven Kalashnikov system. This model was developed at the request of multiple police and military forces needing a DMR rifle that is robust and reliable. This rifle features exceptional...

www.classicfirearms.com

 

[uofaengr]

Would be interesting to check the listing history on some of these big mad bidders to see if they've listed any ammo or primers in the past year to make a buck. Could've just sold them to me for MSRP.

 

[FAL 7.62]

Oh look i have glocks imported for $425.00 cost. look how pretty they all work. but wait you common guys can't have one. They will be listed at $1,000 each. and maybe more...funny how Atlantic got part of the Zastava deal AND sells the ones they have for $2,800.00 affordable not oh lets see here start them all on gun broke at $4,495.00 Even Mike Kassner who owned the company that brought in the first original Russian Dragunovs.He sold them all to dealers no game plan if you had the money you got one not some bid bullcrap oh yeah he had a 100 also i know i had 4 of them at the time. And for the uninformed. The serb. is built like a tank.and far superior to even the Norinco rifles. ndm 86 which also were not Russian brought over to China to be restamped. { END that old tale for good}
Why do i bother to bother. Because its Horsecrap what they did for something that was going to be $2,500.00 to market. naw screw the buyers or collectors make it $10 grand right now. I did the Maremont deal in 1979/80. bought them for $1,895.00 sold them on open market for $3,500.00 and all sold out...and can go on with the Clayco's in 1982 and F.N.FALS later on.

They could have been fair hyped it on channel.
And over you can buy one for the msrp of $3,000 But nope right to gun broke and let me hype it MORE. its not cheap you might be lucky to get one for $8,000.00 hurry go bid now! but hey he can do what he wants like i did on deals. Yeah here is a few from the past. ya can spout off when you owned and shot them and disb them or did the first deals.. or knew the players who did fair shakes and deals.
I know a few on the wait list that wanted one in a fair market.when they talked about these for years now. I guess all they got was a cleaning rod shoved up there arse today.And yeah the Chinese type 56 is a full auto.great stuff when we had it.Done with it all...

 

[ronin.45]

Oh look i have glocks imported for $425.00 cost. look how pretty they all work. but wait you common guys can't have one. They will be listed at $1,000 each. and maybe more...funny how Atlantic got part of the Zastava deal AND sells the ones they have for $2,800.00 affordable not oh lets see here start them all on gun broke at $4,495.00 Even Mike Kassner who owned the company that brought in the first original Russian Dragunovs.He sold them all to dealers no game plan if you had the money you got one not some bid bullcrap oh yeah he had a 100 also i know i had 4 of them at the time. And for the uninformed. The serb. is built like a tank.and far superior to even the Norinco rifles. ndm 86 which also were not Russian brought over to China to be restamped. { END that old tale for good}
Why do i bother to bother. Because its Horsecrap what they did for something that was going to be $2,500.00 to market. naw screw the buyers or collectors make it $10 grand right now. I did the Maremont deal in 1979/80. bought them for $1,895.00 sold them on open market for $3,500.00 and all sold out...and can go on with the Clayco's in 1982 and F.N.FALS later on.

They could have been fair hyped it on channel.
And over you can buy one for the msrp of $3,000 But nope right to gun broke and let me hype it MORE. its not cheap you might be lucky to get one for $8,000.00 hurry go bid now! but hey he can do what he wants like i did on deals. Yeah here is a few from the past. ya can spout off when you owned and shot them and disb them or did the first deals.. or knew the players who did fair shakes and deals.
I know a few on the wait list that wanted one in a fair market.when they talked about these for years now. I guess all they got was a cleaning rod shoved up there arse today.And yeah the Chinese type 56 is a full auto.great stuff when we had it.Done with it all... View attachment 916397 View attachment 916399 View attachment 916400

This post is mostly gibberish, but it also appears to not understand "fair market". No matter what an auction starts at, if it gets bids, then it's "fair market".

 

[FAL 7.62]

 

[WHEEELMAN]

The rights to FEG were bought and is now named FEG Defense Systems (FÉG Defense Systems). Original FEG SVD parts were found in the old warehouses, so they built those up from new old stock



Info below is taken from an SVD Rifle thread on AKFILES.COM. where I am a member.


A rep from FEG reached out to the US AK community to determine if there would be an interest for SVD’s in the, and this is the important part, $5,000 price range. There was a huge interest for an SVD in the $5,000 price range and so a list was started for those that would have first dibs. This list was created by an FEG rep to prove to FEG there was enough interest. The interest grew and grew. The AK community helped write the owners manual as well as helped with parts of the design so that it could be importable. FEG decided to go through with making the SVD’s again based solely on the interest for an SVD, which was based on the SVD being around $5,000.

SVD’s landed in country, Trident refused to honor any list, got with Tim and sold him all of the SVD’s, and Tim decided he’d get closer to $10k a piece on GB. He lied about any knowledge or validity of a list, and deleted posts when called out.

Again, the interest that got these rifles into this country was based on them being around $5k. They could still be had for that, but now we have the importer and Tim trying to get top dollar for them which has ****ed it all up for everyone. Perfect example of why Arsenals are $1,800+ right now as well as why every other import is a grand over what it could actually be sold for. If we had honest, fair importers and dealers, we could have all sorts of affordable, quality imports. Instead, we have a bunch of crooks that have manipulated the market for years.

 

[ronin.45]

The rights to FEG were bought and is now named FEG Defense Systems (FÉG Defense Systems). Original FEG SVD parts were found in the old warehouses, so they built those up from new old stock



Info below is taken from an SVD Rifle thread on AKFILES.COM. where I am a member.


A rep from FEG reached out to the US AK community to determine if there would be an interest for SVD’s in the, and this is the important part, $5,000 price range. There was a huge interest for an SVD in the $5,000 price range and so a list was started for those that would have first dibs. This list was created by an FEG rep to prove to FEG there was enough interest. The interest grew and grew. The AK community helped write the owners manual as well as helped with parts of the design so that it could be importable. FEG decided to go through with making the SVD’s again based solely on the interest for an SVD, which was based on the SVD being around $5,000.

SVD’s landed in country, Trident refused to honor any list, got with Tim and sold him all of the SVD’s, and Tim decided he’d get closer to $10k a piece on GB. He lied about any knowledge or validity of a list, and deleted posts when called out.

Again, the interest that got these rifles into this country was based on them being around $5k. They could still be had for that, but now we have the importer and Tim trying to get top dollar for them which has ****ed it all up for everyone. Perfect example of why Arsenals are $1,800+ right now as well as why every other import is a grand over what it could actually be sold for. If we had honest, fair importers and dealers, we could have all sorts of affordable, quality imports. Instead, we have a bunch of crooks that have manipulated the market for years.

So the potential buyers on this "list" were willing to get these for around $5,000, but got upset when Tim put them on GB for $5,000? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

 

[FAL 7.62]

Wheeelman thanks for the info Just like i tried well over 20 plus years ago to get 100 Dragunovs out of Russia thru a Swiss connection including fifty Para models. and was told by u.s. import and treasury no dice. And cost was only $2,000 that was willing to market at $3,000 at that time. And you are right a list was there for potential customers to pay up to that amount.{There was no firm price }because the company and party involved had no idea on in cost in country price.I been thru this crap for over fifty years.

And it is always good when folk who never had even one or anything else for that matter have all the info and know it all.

Glad somebody posted it. and now its a chit show post here its like Trump, covid masks and pile on whatever.


hey Roni and gibble You are good guys. stay in you're Lane I can come up with more gibberish heck its St. Pattys day. gun broke and you tube and the bidders will handle it all now. All we can do is talk talk.....see you on the ground...

 

[jp3975]

So the potential buyers on this "list" were willing to get these for around $5,000, but got upset when Tim put them on GB for $5,000? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Seems like people expected that by being on the list, they would be sold a gun.

They petitioned the company to make them.

 

[Master Guns]

These god damned capitalists are going to ruin everything for the good communists who think they can control the cost of goods that they don't own.

How dare an importer decide how much they are going to charge for a gun that they bought from a manufacturer, that's some grade-A number #1 American bull**** right there.

We need these SVD's at affordable prices and if we don't get them at the price we think they should go for, then damn it, that's just not right.

Don’t use Gods name in vain.

 

[seamaster]

So the potential buyers on this "list" were willing to get these for around $5,000, but got upset when Tim put them on GB for $5,000? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

$5k is stupid amount for a gun like this, however, my understanding of the situation was that a bunch of people helped make the deal a reality but mac decided to change the deal and auction the guns instead of honor the list.

Naturally, anyone on that list would feel burned.

 

[ronin.45]

MAC has responded to all this on Copper Custom's Facebook page.
According to them, the only "list" was an initial poll to judge interest. The people on the list had nothing to do with getting the guns made or imported. They weren't promised any inclusion in the sale. They weren't even ever contacted again after the initial poll 18 months ago.
Two sides to every story.