[reniram]

I've been watching a lot of 007 movies lately with a particular focus on his PPK. Sure looks identical to my Bulgarian and Soviet Makarov pistols. Presumably Walther build quality is higher, but Maks are pretty reliable. Who copied who?

 

[Bradd D]

From Wiki...

The general layout and field-strip procedure of the Makarov pistol is similar to that of the PP.[17] However, designer N.Makarov and his team drastically simplified the construction of the pistol, improving reliability and reducing the part count to an astonishing 27, not including the magazine. This allowed considerable ease of manufacture and servicing. All of the individual parts of the PM have been optimised for mass production, robustness and interchangeability, partially thanks to captured German tooling, technology, and machinery.

 

[ranger1968]

The Mak's are derivative of the Walther PP' s, but are , as the linked article said, different, simpler pistols....

 

[BigBluefish]

They are also somewhat larger & heavier, and probably more reliable and durable.

 

[DrewBone]

They are also somewhat larger & heavier, and probably more reliable and durable.

^^^ Agreed ^^^

The Makarov's are definately larger and heavier than the Walther PP/K/S series and clones. I have a few Mak's that I enjoy shooting, but my Walther PPK/S & variants are flat out just too painful for me to fire, although I do have that French Manurhin in 7.65mm that I have yet to sample (amongst others, LOL), which I understand is more pleasurable to shoot than the .380 versions.

 

[banger]

Walther PPK/PP------- Makarov.

Visually similar.

Mechanically---- very different.

 

[45caldan]

Similar profiles and both blowback pistols but that’s it!

between the two as mentioned, the Mak is simpler and probably more reliable and durable.

 

[Blanton]

From Wiki...

Well, he got someone else to do the work for him instead of doing his own simple net search.

 

[Berto]

The Maks safety is opposite the Walther, too.

 

[45caldan]

Well, he got someone else to do the work for him instead of doing his own simple net search.

Aren’t we kinda here for that??

 

[Borg Warner]

I've been watching a lot of 007 movies lately with a particular focus on his PPK. Sure looks identical to my Bulgarian and Soviet Makarov pistols. Presumably Walther build quality is higher, but Maks are pretty reliable. Who copied who?

They are both DA/SA/Decockers but the Mak is a little larger and heavier and not as sexy looking. The Walther was developed prior to WWII, the Makarov after the war. The 380 Browning and the 9mm Mak are similar but the 380 is 35 caliber and the Mak is 36 and has slightly larger case volume. The most effective defensive loads for either caliber are the Underwood 115 grain hardcast Flatnose for the Makarov and the Underwood 90 grain Plus+XTP JHP for the 380.

I've shot the Underwood Makarov load in my Polish Radom P-64 which looks a lot more like a PPK than does the Makarov.

 

[29568]

The P64 is one painful gun to shoot. I have two of hem and a pile of magazines. Haven’t tried to shoot one in years.

 

[Colt38SuperDude]

The PPK and the Makarov are the same with one big difference: the Mak Attack doesn’t jam.

 

[Gokyo]

None of my 32 or 38 ppk jam

The 22 on the other jams occasionally.

 

[Borg Warner]

The P64 is one painful gun to shoot. I have two of hem and a pile of magazines. Haven’t tried to shoot one in years.

A lot of people say that but I don't find that to be the case. To me recoil isn't really worth mentioning until it actually hurts and i don't think the p-64 actually reaches the pain threshold like shooting an airweight J-frame with plus+P loads with the skinny service grips.

And even a 357 magnum isn't the same as a real magnum that begins with the number 4 unless your'e shooting it out of a J-frame. And I've never shot any standard factory 44 mag load out of my 6 imch model 29 with the underlug barrel and the factory Hogue grips that was the least bit painful.

 

[Colt38SuperDude]

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAEbbhRJNYw

 

[Glock Commander]

In watches you want a Rolex but a Timex will do.

Walther is the gold standard. :fred:

 

[banger]

In watches you want a Rolex but a Timex will do.

Walther is the gold standard. :fred:

WHAT!!!!!!

Walthers look pretty but I never found a PP/PPK that was actually reliable.

Makarov's on the other hand, are reliable as rocks.

 

[bac1023]

I've been watching a lot of 007 movies lately with a particular focus on his PPK. Sure looks identical to my Bulgarian and Soviet Makarov pistols. Presumably Walther build quality is higher, but Maks are pretty reliable. Who copied who?

They’re both small caliber, straight blowback pistols.

Different, but same

I don’t like either of them.

 

[reniram]

They are both DA/SA/Decockers but the Mak is a little larger and heavier and not as sexy looking. The Walther was developed prior to WWII, the Makarov after the war. The 380 Browning and the 9mm Mak are similar but the 380 is 35 caliber and the Mak is 36 and has slightly larger case volume. The most effective defensive loads for either caliber are the Underwood 115 grain hardcast Flatnose for the Makarov and the Underwood 90 grain Plus+XTP JHP for the 380.

I've shot the Underwood Makarov load in my Polish Radom P-64 which looks a lot more like a PPK than does the Makarov.

I'll have to look at them all again. I have a P64 as well but immediately thought of the Makarovs while I was watching the Bond movies. I don't have a PPK but I have a Sig 232 which is also a fixed barrel blowback .380 with a similar look. Like my Maks it's been 100 percent reliable.