[billy b]

Thnking about picking up a Walther PPQ either M1 or M2, possibly in 5”.

Intended purpose is range/HD/SHTF pistol.

But I’ve been seeing a lot of threads where people have said they sold theirs off. Why is that? Is there something I’m missing?

I have the M2. they are great guns. mine has been 100% reliable, mostly with reloads. my only knock would be, they are slightly bigger than the 19 & I feel they should have had 17 rd mags. also applies to the HK VP9.

 

[kjphilippona]

That answer I don't know! The Walther PPQ M2 is a great all around pistol! You will not be sorry purchasing one!

 

[CBennett]

The PPQ is way more ergonomic than any Glock. The grip is actually designed to fit the human hand.

^^ This I love Glocks..I just cant use them because I actually have a human size L hand which apparently their grip/grip angle isnt meant to fit .... I thought they changed it a bit with Gen 5 and was going to get a Glock 19...but I was told grip fatness/angle/size(other than the finger grips that didnt give me issue anyways) were all the same....and no one has said any different...so I guess since even the Gen 5 Glocks grip is the same bad grip as the rest I will pass...maybe a PPQ,Steyr or HK of some sort.

 

[kjphilippona]

^^ This I love Glocks..I just cant use them because I actually have a human size L hand which apparently their grip/grip angle isnt meant to fit .... I thought they changed it a bit with Gen 5 and was going to get a Glock 19...but I was told grip fatness/angle/size(other than the finger grips that didnt give me issue anyways) were all the same....and no one has said any different...so I guess since even the Gen 5 Glocks grip is the same bad grip as the rest I will pass...maybe a PPQ,Steyr or HK of some sort.

I sold my G19 gen4 and purchased the G19 gen5 and as you say sorry no difference! I have more money than sense and own to may guns. I have read so many reviews about different guns and am baffled by most! I own the PPQ, VP9, P-10, 509 and G19, all are good guns and have their +'s and -'s it all depends what works for you! Me the FN 509 is my favorite

 

[Matt VDW]

The Canik TP9 series is very similar to the PPQ for about 25% less money. It's worth a look if you like the PPQ, especially if you want a longer grip and/or more magazine capacity.

I almost bought a PPQ M5 but I didn't care for the rear sight and couldn't find a good replacement.

 

[kjphilippona]

I have the M2. they are great guns. mine has been 100% reliable, mostly with reloads. my only knock would be, they are slightly bigger than the 19 & I feel they should have had 17 rd mags. also applies to the HK VP9.

I have 17 round mags for my PPQ M2 and 20 round mags for my VP9

 

[checkyoursix]

Sorry if I have very high standards. I don’t relate well to people who think a $500 plastic striker fired gun has a “great trigger”. .....

The trigger doesn't do much for me though. Its decent, I guess. I honestly think people who rave about it don't know what a good trigger is.

Which is probably 98% of the people who own and SHOOT guns.

Congratulations, you are at the same time part of the 1% and of the 1% of that 1% who is not afraid to show how really condescending that 1% is.

I admire the honesty, still struggle with the need to opine on guns you either barely shoot or have not shot at all. If you own hundreds of (high level) guns by definition you don't shoot them much, considering you have a job and you spend an inordinate amount of time on this forum.

Yet you have neither consideration nor respect for people who shoot because it's their job ("I don't need to slum it like the Army" is an infamous quote that comes to mind), nor for people who actually shoot their guns a lot and draw vastly different experiences than yours.

You though have never shot in anger, never put yourself on the line in a competition, probably only shot standing still at the firing line, and never shot a gun more than a few times presumably unless you live in a parallel universe with 240 hours a day.

In that gilded world of yours of course guns don't break, their job is to look pretty in their velvety world and be polished, photographed and traded for considerable profit.

In the world where most of us live, guns are shot, magazines dumped in the dirt and/or the mud, and we actually have experienced what a high round count means for a gun. We also loose a few bucks when we don't like a gun, like we deserve.

Of course, in the world where most of us live $7k is serious money, more like a car downpayment than a pistol.

Since that is our financial situation (and not cognitive, like you so often state or imply), we have to be content with our crappy $500 triggers, and make do with the pathetic plastic guns you so rightly despise.

But there is a silver lining to our condition: we are SO lucky that you remind us of just how pathetic we truly are every day, all day.

Thank you.

 

[bac1023]

Which is probably 98% of the people who own and SHOOT guns.

Congratulations, you are at the same time part of the 1% and of the 1% of that 1% who is not afraid to show how really condescending that 1% is.

I admire the honesty, still struggle with the need to opine on guns you either barely shoot or have not shot at all. If you own hundreds of (high level) guns by definition you don't shoot them much, considering you have a job and you spend an inordinate amount of time on this forum.

Yet you have neither consideration nor respect for people who shoot because it's their job ("I don't need to slum it like the Army" is an infamous quote that comes to mind), nor for people who actually shoot their guns a lot and draw vastly different experiences than yours.

You though have never shot in anger, never put yourself on the line in a competition, probably only shot standing still at the firing line, and never shot a gun more than a few times presumably unless you live in a parallel universe with 240 hours a day.

In that gilded world of yours of course guns don't break, their job is to look pretty in their velvety world and be polished, photographed and traded for considerable profit.

In the world where most of us live, guns are shot, magazines dumped in the dirt and/or the mud, and we actually have experienced what a high round count means for a gun. We also loose a few bucks when we don't like a gun, like we deserve.

Of course, in the world where most of us live $7k is serious money, more like a car downpayment than a pistol.

Since that is our financial situation (and not cognitive, like you so often state or imply), we have to be content with our crappy $500 triggers, and make do with the pathetic plastic guns you so rightly despise.

But there is a silver lining to our condition: we are SO lucky that you remind us of just how pathetic we truly are every day, all day.

Thank you.

I own and have owned plenty of plastic guns. I was just shooting a couple yesterday, as a matter of fact.

I’ve got a lot of guns UNDER $500, if it makes you feel better.

 

[fastbolt]

Why would anyone assume there was a "problem" with the Walther PPQ?

It seems a rather nicely engineered attempt to offer the shooting public a simpler service size pistol that has a "better" (shorter and lighter) trigger pull than the Quick Action or DAO 99's, and almost as short & light (including trigger recovery) of a trigger as the single action trigger of the Anti-Stress model P99's. (Walther measures the PPQ's SA trigger travel in 3 short "stages", unlike how they measure the SA trigger of the AS guns, but it's still rather short compared to the QA & DAO models, and the weight required for the PPQ's trigger press is almost as light as the AS model's SA press.)

I've always favored the standard 99 AS sear action, myself, but that's because I've invested a lot of years using traditional double action (DA/SA) guns for work. I've always liked the initial shot fired being a DA trigger press. (Probably comes from my DA revolver days. )

 

[CBennett]

I sold my G19 gen4 and purchased the G19 gen5 and as you say sorry no difference! I have more money than sense and own to may guns. I have read so many reviews about different guns and am baffled by most! I own the PPQ, VP9, P-10, 509 and G19, all are good guns and have their +'s and -'s it all depends what works for you! Me the FN 509 is my favorite

yeah I was sure since the most commonly complained about thing on Glocks were the grips that that would be a major rework.. I had a 2nd Gen(no finger grips) Glock 23..and it just never sat right in my hand..and my hands not overly small..I wear between a L and XL glove but normally a L...but have skinny fingers...when I hold a Glock(and so far ive found this only with Glocks) it just sits wrong a glock in my hand looks like this in a "natural" grip

(not my hand BTW thats just a web photo)its just not right..and Glocks are the only gun ive held that does that....and ive had other larger guns ive used...like the Ruger P series..those guns are not svelte in the grip and they cause me no issue and were our Duty guns for the last 23 years ive worked...just got replaced this year by the M&P(of course we get new Duty weapons 14 months before I retire lol)....just Glocks do that though for me....I was hoping the new 19 would be different but no dice ...just as fat and bad angled ...


That said since its smaller/thinner the Glock 43 actually works! and im currently debating Glock 43,Ruger LC9 or EC9,Shield,PPS or XDs for a small single stack summer carry thats larger (caliber) than my current summer carry of a Taurus TCP .380....so at least a Glocks in the running there

 

[CBennett]

I own and have owned plenty of plastic guns. I was just shooting a couple yesterday, as a matter of fact.

I’ve got a lot of guns UNDER $500, if it makes you feel better.

I used to feel the same way but BAC's a genuinely decent/good guy and just a gun nut that has a bit more spare change than most..but he still "gets it" he has a Glock 43 that he carries thats not a pricey gun per say...and he has others that are not "collectors editions"...He just has the good fortune(and good for him!) to be able to buy and share some of the higher end stuff with people here..which I thinks cool and appreciate...

When I first saw BAC and his collection(years ago) I thought he was just bragging.. and really didnt understand...(because I dont collect...mostly because I cant because I dont have the $$ lol) but over the last LOT of years....thats just not true and not his style...he is just sharing some cool guns and has a LOT of knowledge on a lot of even less expensive guns

 

[kjphilippona]

yeah I was sure since the most commonly complained about thing on Glocks were the grips that that would be a major rework.. I had a 2nd Gen(no finger grips) Glock 23..and it just never sat right in my hand..and my hands not overly small..I wear between a L and XL glove but normally a L...but have skinny fingers...when I hold a Glock(and so far ive found this only with Glocks) it just sits wrong a glock in my hand looks like this in a "natural" grip View attachment 450122


(not my hand BTW thats just a web photo)its just not right..and Glocks are the only gun ive held that does that....and ive had other larger guns ive used...like the Ruger P series..those guns are not svelte in the grip and they cause me no issue and were our Duty guns for the last 23 years ive worked...just got replaced this year by the M&P(of course we get new Duty weapons 14 months before I retire lol)....just Glocks do that though for me....I was hoping the new 19 would be different but no dice ...just as fat and bad angled ...


That said since its smaller/thinner the Glock 43 actually works! and im currently debating Glock 43,Ruger LC9 or EC9,Shield,PPS or XDs for a small single stack summer carry thats larger (caliber) than my current summer carry of a Taurus TCP .380....so at least a Glocks in the running there

I switch between the Walther PPS M2 9mm and Springfield XDs Mod2 45acp as my EDC's, Both are very nice guns and have run flawlessly for me!

 

[CBennett]

I switch between the Walther PPS M2 9mm and Springfield XDs Mod2 45acp as my EDC's, Both are very nice guns and have run flawlessly for me!

Im one of those guys that sit around and research everything then finally get something and spend the next 5 years second guessing myself

I STILL ask myself and wonder if I did ok with my Ruger SR9c for my CC gun and for HD(larger with a light/laser combo) with the XD9mm 4" barrel version.....I never seem to get myself to believe I got the "right one" lol.

normally I think becasue I didnt have the $$ to get what id really want if $$ wasnt a object..Id have the HK USP for HD(same set up as the XD) and a Steyr Compact for CC....just didnt have $1500 to sink into HD/CC the Ruger/XD combo cost me $585 for both

 

[fastbolt]

Im one of those guys that sit around and research everything then finally get something and spend the next 5 years second guessing myself

I STILL ask myself and wonder if I did ok with my Ruger SR9c for my CC gun and for HD(larger with a light/laser combo) with the XD9mm 4" barrel version.....I never seem to get myself to believe I got the "right one" lol.

normally I think becasue I didnt have the $$ to get what id really want if $$ wasnt a object..Id have the HK USP for HD(same set up as the XD) and a Steyr Compact for CC....just didnt have $1500 to sink into HD/CC the Ruger/XD combo cost me $585 for both

Hey, everyone needs a hobby.

You've paid your dues and earned the right to sit back and enjoy second-guessing yourself about such ordinary things, right?

 

[Dusty Rhoads]

Which is probably 98% of the people who own and SHOOT guns.

Congratulations, you are at the same time part of the 1% and of the 1% of that 1% who is not afraid to show how really condescending that 1% is.

I admire the honesty, still struggle with the need to opine on guns you either barely shoot or have not shot at all. If you own hundreds of (high level) guns by definition you don't shoot them much, considering you have a job and you spend an inordinate amount of time on this forum.

Yet you have neither consideration nor respect for people who shoot because it's their job ("I don't need to slum it like the Army" is an infamous quote that comes to mind), nor for people who actually shoot their guns a lot and draw vastly different experiences than yours.

You though have never shot in anger, never put yourself on the line in a competition, probably only shot standing still at the firing line, and never shot a gun more than a few times presumably unless you live in a parallel universe with 240 hours a day.

In that gilded world of yours of course guns don't break, their job is to look pretty in their velvety world and be polished, photographed and traded for considerable profit.

In the world where most of us live, guns are shot, magazines dumped in the dirt and/or the mud, and we actually have experienced what a high round count means for a gun. We also loose a few bucks when we don't like a gun, like we deserve.

Of course, in the world where most of us live $7k is serious money, more like a car downpayment than a pistol.

Since that is our financial situation (and not cognitive, like you so often state or imply), we have to be content with our crappy $500 triggers, and make do with the pathetic plastic guns you so rightly despise.

But there is a silver lining to our condition: we are SO lucky that you remind us of just how pathetic we truly are every day, all day.

Thank you.

Somehow, I get the feeling you don’t have a lot of friends.


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[bac1023]

I used to feel the same way but BAC's a genuinely decent/good guy and just a gun nut that has a bit more spare change than most..but he still "gets it" he has a Glock 43 that he carries thats not a pricey gun per say...and he has others that are not "collectors editions"...He just has the good fortune(and good for him!) to be able to buy and share some of the higher end stuff with people here..which I thinks cool and appreciate...

When I first saw BAC and his collection(years ago) I thought he was just bragging.. and really didnt understand...(because I dont collect...mostly because I cant because I dont have the $$ lol) but over the last LOT of years....thats just not true and not his style...he is just sharing some cool guns and has a LOT of knowledge on a lot of even less expensive guns

Well I admit I got a bit heated in my response to Southswede and for that I apologize to the rest of the folks here.

What I said was very ignorant. I’m going to strive to be better. Thanks

 

[boilergonzo]

I used to feel the same way but BAC's a genuinely decent/good guy and just a gun nut that has a bit more spare change than most..but he still "gets it" he has a Glock 43 that he carries thats not a pricey gun per say...and he has others that are not "collectors editions"...He just has the good fortune(and good for him!) to be able to buy and share some of the higher end stuff with people here..which I thinks cool and appreciate...

When I first saw BAC and his collection(years ago) I thought he was just bragging.. and really didnt understand...(because I dont collect...mostly because I cant because I dont have the $$ lol) but over the last LOT of years....thats just not true and not his style...he is just sharing some cool guns and has a LOT of knowledge on a lot of even less expensive guns

If memory serves, he had a KelTec P3AT at one point and carried it. Maybe I confused things, but I don't think so...

I would mock him for it, but I can't (I still have my P3AT... try not to judge me too harshly - and what a great trigger and build quality that little sucker has! :hearts.

 

[bac1023]

If memory serves, he had a KelTec P3AT at one point and carried it. Maybe I confused things, but I don't think so...

I would mock him for it, but I can't (I still have my P3AT... try not to judge me too harshly, what a great trigger and build quality that little sucker has! :hearts.

Carried it almost 10 years Gonzo

 

[WayneJessie]

Thnking about picking up a Walther PPQ either M1 or M2, possibly in 5”.

Intended purpose is range/HD/SHTF pistol.

But I’ve been seeing a lot of threads where people have said they sold theirs off. Why is that? Is there something I’m missing?

I’ve always believed them to be good guns. I just don’t want one. Never have had the itch for one.

 

[boilergonzo]

Thnking about picking up a Walther PPQ either M1 or M2, possibly in 5”.

Intended purpose is range/HD/SHTF pistol.

But I’ve been seeing a lot of threads where people have said they sold theirs off. Why is that? Is there something I’m missing?

I hear you. I think what you are seeing is what also impacts VP9, XD owners, etc. While individuals have good guns that work for them, the Dark Side (Glock fans) do have a very vocal attitude that I think sways people back into the pack. People are afraid to be a fan of something that isn't popular among the vocal majority. Some can resist this pull, but the majority cannot.

I am not saying Glock is bad (I have and love several), or that Glock owners are bad (most are not), but there is a phenomena of one-brand owners touting Glock as THE tool, with other choir members joyfully belting out the refrain. I think that impacts many people (causing some to buy a Glock over another brand, or later causing those who bought other brands to want to fit back into the big, comfy crowd).

When I bought my VP9 (2014?) I was given grief the entire time by the gun store employees. H&K is overpriced, an arrogant company, not Glock, too many parts, no spare parts, no accessories, etc. I was positively harassed to buy a Glock while buying a VP9 even after they realized I had four Glock's. I had to ask them to stop with the used car salesman approach and ridiculous babble, and that I knew what I wanted to buy with my money. To be fair, there are S&W, Ruger, SIG, H&K, and many other loyalists, but the Glock ones are the people who chirp the most.

Maybe I am off the mark, but that is one of the reasons I rise to the bait when other guns (VP9, 365, XD, or others) are trashed on this forum as being inferior or misrepresented. I am no armorer, I am no marksman, I am not a military or LE agent who relies on the tool. But I have been involved in sales and marketing for years, and I can smell oft-repeated mantras of a given brand and understand where they originate from, and how brand perception in closed circles can distort reality for many.