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Nestor

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I'm not familiar with this design, but I believe it was made by Howa for S&W. Looks awfully similar to 870 (which I like). Thing is priced on level with the cheapest shotguns available here - $225 (the really cheap ones are too cheap to consider for serious HD duties) and...I'm looking for good and inexpensive pump right now, but it must be reliable and well built. Parts are still around and reasonably priced as well (just checked). Not too much info on this thing though, but from what I was able to gather so far - it was a good design with rather poor sales. Does anybody know anything more about S&W 3000 pump shotgun? Thanks in advance for your answer.

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I had one back in the 90's. It was like a very nicely made Remington 870. And I mean in comparison to the 870s of that era, not the utter garbage Remington pukes out these days.
 
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I had one back in the 90's. It was like a very nicely made Remington 870. And I mean in comparison to the 870s of that era, not the utter garbage Remington pukes out these days.
Thanks. It appears to be mostly forgotten, but the availability of parts and reviews are all positive signs....plus it appears to be in decent shape with nice wood :)
 
Thanks. It appears to be mostly forgotten, but the availability of parts and reviews are all positive signs....plus it appears to be in decent shape with nice wood :)
Howa has a long history of fine firearms. At one time they made rifles for Weatherby. Now that you've brought it up and parts are so available I'm getting the itch for a 3000. :)
 
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I agree about Howa. Plus - just look at the wood! I mean try to buy so nice looking stock today...
 
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Greetings,
These are great SG's! Which distributor has them?
Good luck
John
Thanks John. I'm in Canada. On-line retailer in Quebec.
 
Nice scattergun, Nestor!!!

A (former) neighbor had the S&W 1000 (semi-auto), back in the early '80s.
He couldn't hit a darned thing with it.

Turned out, the barrel was bent (to the left), badly.
A gunsmith/shotgunsmith on Maryland's Eastern Shore was able to straighten the barrel.
He said a LOT of them weren't 'true'.
 
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Good riot guns but a little "late to the party" in terms of potential LEO sales.

That said, they were offered in nickel plated, folding stock, extended mag tube, Choate brand synthetic stocks, and hunting length options (perhaps others).

The few examples I fired in the 1980's were "870-solid".

$225?????? I'd buy two!
 
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Thank You Guys. Just placed the order. Out the door $249. Remington Express 18.5" would cost me twice as much here. Kinda reminds me the 870 Express, but from the very early days with all the steel parts in place. I just need a 12 gauge that won't see much use, but will be there JIC to protect the family and home.
 
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Interesting. I didn't know that. Remington came up with the flexi-tab to address the double feed jam issue on 870 (experienced by myself at least two times), but S&W with their model 3000 fixed it right away:

"Riot Gun Shoot-Out; The S&W 3000 vs. Remington's Classic 870" was Sgt. Gary Paul Johnston, and he submitted the following report after testing the two shotguns:

"...If the Remington Model 870 has one shortcoming, it has to be the stoppage prone situation resulting from a cartridge falling back into the carrier when not loaded completely into the magazine tube. Loading in a hurry can provoke just such a situation...If the stuck round is first into the tube, there is no problem, as the action can be cycled to clear and chamber it. It becomes critical, however, with the second or third round, due to the increasing magazine spring pressure, and if it is the fourth round, as is most likely, the action cannot be cycled in the normal manner, and there is a stoppage. This condition can also occur in short-stroking the action, or not bringing the fore-end fully and sharply to the rear, especially with a damaged round. Stoppages are particularly dangerous in police work, because when an officer cycles his shotgun, it is because he needs it at that moment. It is not that this stoppage cannot be quickly cleared, because it can by placing the butt on a firm surface and sharply pulling the fore-end back with both hands. Or if this fails, by slamming the butt down, using the same hold. In a gunfight, however, seconds are precious...This problem has been engineered out of the Model 3000, and that any round so slipping could be easily and quickly cycled through the action."

"Anxious to compare the two guns, I took the Smith & Wesson 3000 to the range along with a near new Remington 870...I loaded the Remington with four rounds and, with difficulty, I artificially produced the stoppage condition described. The action could not be worked normally, and it took both hands on the fore-end with the butt placed on the floor to clear and cycle the action. The Smith & Wesson Model 3000 was then loaded with four rounds and, again with difficulty, I artificially created the same stoppage. Even with the full magazine, the Smith & Wesson cycled in the normal manner, clearing and chambering the 'jammed' round with ease."

"...While I do not fear its happening to me in the line of duty, I would dread for it to occur to an officer unfamiliar with the problem, unless he or she was using the Smith & Wesson Model 3000-but then there really would be no problem..."
 
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I would like to thank those of you who recommended me S&W 3000. It's here and my initial impression is extremely positive. More to come, but if it works as well as it handles (not to mention the build quality) it was $250 well spent.
 
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I'm getting myself familiar with the shotgun. Everything mimics 870, except that nearly every part is thicker and made out of solid steel (including the ejector which is a piece of milled steel not sticking out too much from the receiver). No rust anywhere, just some honest wear. Looks like an ex LE shotgun. Parkerized and 20" barrel (mirror shine inside with very nice, mirror polished chamber). Strange trigger pull though. Very short with no take-up, but clean otherwise. Cleaning time ahead.

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I bought one when they came out in the 80's and I was working for Turners. I sold it when I had to thin the herd but it was an excellent shotgun.
 
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