[Stendec]

I haven't been in that part of the country, but it looks like a beautiful area with vast open space and noble mountains. Is it actually a good place to visit in terms of natural beauty and western lifestyle?

Reservations tend not to be great places to visit. I hate to generalize, but grinding poverty, rampant substance abuse, lots of violence. Of course there are exceptions, but also remember that you are passing into what are essentially semi-sovereign nations that have their own cultures, lifestyles, problems and strengths.

 

[RMKrazy]

Mainly just somewhere I drive through to get to the mountains.

Wind River reservation is a pretty big area. Looks to be a lot of poverty there.

If it looks like a place you would like to see, we stay at Togwotee Mountain Lodge, which is on the mountain.

But the base of the mountain is a town called Dubois which is much cheaper to stay and an easy drive up the mountain. And yes there you can see "western lifestyle".

I mainly go for the deep snow and backcountry riding.

I haven't been in that part of the country, but it looks like a beautiful area with vast open space and noble mountains. Is it actually a good place to visit in terms of natural beauty and western lifestyle?

 

[RMKrazy]

To be clear, the places I am talking about ARE NOT on the reservation but near it.

I would say equal or possibly better scenery than what you see on the reservation in the movie. Especially when you go up the mountain into the pass.

An hour past Togwotee is Jackson Hole and there is a reason many actors/wealthy people have property there.

 

[mac66]

Wyoming is a beautiful state. Only has about half a million people live there.

One way you can tell you're on a reservation is all the empty liquor bottles shining along the side of the road, specially at night. Noticed that more than once on my travels throughout the west.

 

[Pandaz3]

I watched it in the theater when it came out. Used to live in Wyoming so I wanted to see it. Lots of action which is a plus and nice scenery. Always a Hollywood social agenda, but I can gloss over that. I liked Jeremy Renner or who is it. The evil Company was pretty unrealistic. I worked for 'Big Oil' at times (Husky) as it paid more, but mostly we had family ranches, a couple hundred cows... Takes three to four and a half tons of hay per cow/calf to get thru the winter. so you need a lot of hay. Snow gets deep, need to chop the ice so the cows can drink... I'd rather see that winter in a movie.

 

[Dog Soldier]

A Member of Utah Gun Collectors Association supplies most of the movie guns. He supplied 100 1911 pistols recently. They were built on Rock Island frames bought from Sarco.
They must be first tested with real ammo. Once they pass this test they are neutered The barrels are replaced and they become "Prop Guns". It is difficult to really identify these fakes.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Wyoming is a beautiful state. Only has about half a million people live there.

One way you can tell you're on a reservation is all the liquor bottles shining on the side of the road, specially at night. Noticed that more than once on my travels throughout the west.

We have the smallest population in the Union. Wyoming ranks 9th among the 10 largest state. It is over 50 % Public lands and no crazy gun laws.
I spent time on the Wind River Rez in the 1980s. It can be a scary place. There are renegades Indians that live in isolated valleys and practice strange religions.

 

[PhotoFeller]

I was shocked to read that the Wind River Reservation covers about 3,500,000 square miles. As the movie depicts, hopelessness leads to alcohol, drugs and high crime rates among the Indians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_River_Indian_Reservation

 

[DesertGlock20]

I was shocked to read that the Wind River Reservation covers about 3,500,000 square miles. As the movie depicts, hopelessness leads to alcohol, drugs and high crime rates among the Indians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_River_Indian_Reservation

You see the same thing in Alaska.

 

[Dog Soldier]

I was shocked to read that the Wind River Reservation covers about 3,500,000 square miles. As the movie depicts, hopelessness leads to alcohol, drugs and high crime rates among the Indians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_River_Indian_Reservation

What BS. It is not hopelessness. It is generation of Laziness. They are surrounded by jobs. They can leave anytime they want.
Don't let this Democrat BS infect your thinking. The Mexican Drug Cartels are on every Rez. Idleness and crime are the problems.

 

[AK_Stick]

Every Marlin .45/70 should come with an OEM big loop lever. Easier on the knuckles when feeding it Hammerheads and more room for a gloved hand in cold weather...plus, its a cool look. Practical and cool. What’s not to like?

I disagree on the practicality. Big loops make for slow use.

 

[AK_Stick]

I only saw a trailer, so...

I guess it would depend on the vest and the load. One of those 500gr DG bullets, going say 1500fps at impact, that would take quite a vest. :0

Even if the vests they had on could "stop them", taking a couple of thousand plus ft/lbs of energy in the chest, even if it didn't penetrate through, you likely are going to be rolled up in the fetal position trying to figure out why you can't breath, probably not going to be "in the fight" any time soon.

Any level 3 plate would defeat 45-70.

Soft armor will loose to just about any rifle.

 

[mac66]

Any level 3 plate would defeat 45-70.

Soft armor will loose to just about any rifle.

One of the issues I have with the film is that while the bad guys appeared to be wearing vests, they turn out to be (apparently) only LBEs (load bearing equipment vests) not soft armor or plate carriers. Why they would even have those, plus automatic weapons out in the middle of friggin' nowhere is beyond me. It perpetuates the hollywood myth that security guards are well trained, well armed and have unlimited manpower.

The good guys, with one exception don't appear to be wearing vests at all. No spoilers but that part of the film is a real head scratcher.

 

[DavidEnt]

Not sure about the gun, but when it hit one guy he flew completely off screen!


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Last time I shot my 45-70 I flew off the screen. Lol. Haven't shot it since.

 

[Dog Soldier]

I have not seen the Movie. The BIA Cops and FBI are stationed on the Rez. They also have Secret Service Agents as well.
State Officers Game and Fish Highway Patrol are not allowed on Indian lands. Federal Fish Game Agents Indian Police can enforce game laws. Which is a joke.

 

[DavidEnt]

I just watched it. The movie was very good. I just took it for what it was, entertainment. The "based on real" claim, was not for a specific case. It was showing that this type of criminal activity occurs on the reservations, and that it is at a much higher rate than out in "our" world. I sometimes wonder why the government doesn't step in and give these people a real life, with real jobs, and real hope. What the hell, we took almost everything from them in the first place. I feel they deserve much, much more than what they are getting.

 

[AK_Stick]

I just watched it. The movie was very good. I just took it for what it was, entertainment. The "based on real" claim, was not for a specific case. It was showing that this type of criminal activity occurs on the reservations, and that it is at a much higher rate than out in "our" world. I sometimes wonder why the government doesn't step in and give these people a real life, with real jobs, and real hope. What the hell, we took almost everything from them in the first place. I feel they deserve much, much more than what they are getting.

We took their land, took their homes and way of life, now you want that same govt to force them to work?

How do you think that would go?

 

[Coyote_Hunter]

The JM Marlins were great rifles. I've purchased three of them, all gently used, in .45-70, .375 Winchester and .30-30. The early (circa 2007) Remlins were generally of lower quality. Remington had to retool and create new prints but the more recent Remlins, from what I hear, are pretty good.

In the photo below, top to bottom:
Marlin 1895, .45-70 (2000)
Marlin 375, .375 Winchester (1980)
Marlin 336C, .30-30 (1989)
Browning B92, .44 Mag (1981)

Wind River? Great movie!

 

[Nick B]

Hard to find the older Marlin's in that caliber. I have the Henry 45-70. Beautiful gun and a tack driver. Fit and finish second to none.

Just 3 weeks ago I sold my mint JM Marlin 45-70 that was topped with a Redfield 2-7 scope . Got $700.00 for it .

 

[Mingo]

Last time I shot my 45-70 I flew off the screen. Lol. Haven't shot it since.

Now come on now, there are enough comedians. IF so though, how little are you? I'm what ya call a "little OLD man" and only weigh 150 naked first thing out of bed (chair) in the morning and I LOVE my Ruger No. 1. I can shoot a box or so of Full House 500 gr. hand cast Postell type bullets ok. MUCH more fun though shooting mild 405 gr. rfn OTLC bullets for plinking & target fun
200 yd. steel gong is fun. Slow enough you can just tell a timespan from BOOM to DING & I just love that.
I don't NEED this gun but still Love it and "IF" I should need it for protection, you can load one amazingly fast if you have a buttstock bullet holder attached even though it is a falling block single shot. One of the "if not THE" Strongest actions on the market made today so shooting heavy stuff like Garrett is no problem. Only ONCE though, To Expensive! I'll stick to my handloads. Those 405 gr OTLC's and Trail Boss are tons of fun! :=) KaBoom~~~~~~~~~~~~Bong Forget Crony readings now but real slow, little over 800 fps IIRC, just for fun loads. Nothing serious.
350 gr. OTLC's RFN bullets are really fun plinkers and MILD to shoot.