K... just got a pound of CFE and a pound of Sport Pistol, for 9mm. Shooting GSSF so I just want a light target load... been using bullseye but want a fuller case, better metering, and cleaner burning...... have a selection of both loaded at several different loads for each.... which do you guys think will win out?
CFE Pistol vs Sport Pistol
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K... just got a pound of CFE and a pound of Sport Pistol, for 9mm. Shooting GSSF so I just want a light target load... been using bullseye but want a fuller case, better metering, and cleaner burning...... have a selection of both loaded at several different loads for each.... which do you guys think will win out?
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Between these two - I don't know.
Titegroup meters extremely well - but it will not fill a case. 3.1-3.2 with 147's and 3.8 with 124's have been good loads for me.
N330 is, by many, considered an ideal 9mm powder. But good luck finding it. N320 is popular too - and clean burning.
Titegroup meters extremely well - but it will not fill a case. 3.1-3.2 with 147's and 3.8 with 124's have been good loads for me.
N330 is, by many, considered an ideal 9mm powder. But good luck finding it. N320 is popular too - and clean burning.
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I have no experience with CFE, how does its burn rate compare?
I’ve been loading up some 115 Precision Delta JHP’s over 3.9gr of Sport Pistol, will try them out in Montgomery GSSF.
This ought to eat up the 8” center of some D1’s
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I’ve been loading up some 115 Precision Delta JHP’s over 3.9gr of Sport Pistol, will try them out in Montgomery GSSF.
This ought to eat up the 8” center of some D1’s
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Have no experience with cfe but I have been using sport pistol with 147 gr acme f/p coated 1.15 oal 3.3 grs gets me about 915 fps out of my g-34 getting 2-1/8 groups at twenty five yards with old eyes. Very soft shooting and it's clean. Have went up to 3.5 grs did not group them on a target but I didn't notice any accuracy difference with my normal plate shooting. For target loads I would think sport pistol would be the winner for higher end loads cfe would be the better of the two.
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I have no experience with CFE, how does its burn rate compare?
I’ve been loading up some 115 Precision Delta JHP’s over 3.9gr of Sport Pistol, will try them out in Montgomery GSSF.
This ought to eat up the 8” center of some D1’s
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CFE pistol has a relatively slow burn rate. Not what you want for light powder-puff loads.
9mm is a very light recoiling caliber especially in a Glock 17 or 19. If you ever plan on using the gun for defensive purposes it's good to learn how to become proficient with full power ammo.
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4.5 gr of CFE with a 124gr CRN so far seems accurate... have not tried the Sport Pistol yet... as far as self defense... I carry a Springfield XDS in 45 Auto loaded HOT... but shooting GSSF... when the clock is in the match... recoil mgt is the difference in a good score and a bad score!
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What I said was if you ever think you might use a gun for defensive purposes it wouldn't hurt to spend time learning to become proficient with full power ammo.
If you don't think you will ever need to defend your life with a handgun, then just carry on and hope for the best.
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Do you really think if you had to use a firearm in self defense that you are even going to notice the recoil? And what distance do you thank all of this is going to happen in?
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Don’t feed the trolls. The thought crossed my mind to talk about +P Bill Drills and other shenanigans, but it only fuels the unrelated nonsense.
OP, do a lot of digging on Enos Forum>Reloading>9mm. I think the sweet spot for GSSF is somewhere between USPSA minor and Steel Challenge loads. All things being equal, since we do not have to make any kind of power factor, a lighter bullet recoils less. I’ve had excellent luck with 124’s at around 1060 fps... Just starting to experiment with 115’s at similar velocity.
Staying barely subsonic mitigates a lot of blast and perceived recoil. Faster powders will almost always have less perceived recoil. I love N320, but I’m starting to think Sport Pistol will do anything it can for half the price.
Word on the street is that Vitavouri importer will change this year... maybe whoever takes it up will bring back N330. I would LOVE to give it a try. Grail powder.
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I posted my initial test runs with Sport Pistol in the Enos forums. The ES and SD are a little wide/high on lower charges, especially so with lighter bullets. That aligns with the Alliants placement of the powder as an Action Sport powder where power factor is key.
With my STI DVC 40S&W, Sport Pistol didn't do as well as HP38/WIN231 with my current batch of 165gr at a 171Pf. I will likely move to a 180gr projo once my 165s are gone. Waiting on my Nemesis from Atlas Gunworks to arrive before doing any more testing .
In 9mm i prefer the faster slide and sight lift of a 124gr bullet. That helped the Gen4 recoil systems in the Glocks i used when I played in GSSF.
The 45AUTO loads I ran were built around N310 and a 200gr bullet. Not sure I would use Sport Pistol in 45 given the very forgiving nature of 45 and the (current) availability of Sport Pistol.
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With my STI DVC 40S&W, Sport Pistol didn't do as well as HP38/WIN231 with my current batch of 165gr at a 171Pf. I will likely move to a 180gr projo once my 165s are gone. Waiting on my Nemesis from Atlas Gunworks to arrive before doing any more testing .
In 9mm i prefer the faster slide and sight lift of a 124gr bullet. That helped the Gen4 recoil systems in the Glocks i used when I played in GSSF.
The 45AUTO loads I ran were built around N310 and a 200gr bullet. Not sure I would use Sport Pistol in 45 given the very forgiving nature of 45 and the (current) availability of Sport Pistol.
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N320 and 124 has definitely been the recepie so far. Both SP and N320 seem to have high SD’s when loaded lite. The above target I posted with a mousefart load of Sport Pistol over 115gr had a SD of around 15... but it was still fairly accurate.
Do you think there is a powder on the faster end of the burn range that would have low SD’s when loaded lite with lite weight bullets?
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Clays. For the purpose we are discussing. The loads would be on the upper end for the powder but still yield a very low "felt recoil". Clays is my Go To powder when I don't need to make power factor.
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To be clear, Hodgdon Clays? I assume it’s fast enough to not be ‘well behaved’... quick rise in pressure if you go too high? I might pick up a jug; had thought of trying it or E3. Had considered dabbling in N310 for 9mm as well..
Not for the faint heart. I may pick up a pound locally and work up over the chrono.
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I have N310 recipes for 45AUTO. The Marine load used for 1911 Bullseye is great but needs a touch more powder for Gen4 Glock recoil system. I have not used it with other cartridges. I blame a lack of time for not doing any ladders. N310 is pretty temperature sensitive and I hear e3 is not.
Have not done any ladders with e3 either. Lots of posts in the ENOS forums about it though.
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ok... I totally agree with what you say... I shoot my carry gun (G20) with 11 grains Blue Dot and a 185 gr hollow point. My CC pistol an XDS in .45 auto also loaded max. But I do not load my GSSF rounds that hot.
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