[woody089]

Dear Sirs,

I have a CAA RONI Gen 2 for Glock 17/19. After examining it, I have "zero" desire to SBR my Glock Pistol, in order to "insert" it into the RONI. After reviewing the RONI website, they now offer a "Brace" version of the RONI that does not require the SBR hassle ($200 tax stamp, time, etc.).

After reading multiple write-ups, it is my understanding that the Pistol (Glock in my case), must be SBR'd before inserting it into the RONI Gen 2. Else, you violate the NFA policy.

Here is my question: I would like to remove/destroy the Stock and Vertical Grip (this is a pivot-type grip) from the Roni Gen 2, and replace the stock a Roni Brace, or Sig Brace. Then it will remain in a pistol configuration after assembly.

Please let me know if you would agree or disagree that doing this Stock removal, and Brace addition, will comply with the "pistol" language,, etc., and not require NFA stamp.

Thanks!!

Jim
PS - I have contacted CAA twice with no response yet.

 

[E1320]

You could buy an Endo Tactical brace and put a shockwave blade on it to avoid the SBR tax

 

[FixedSights]

Depending on who you ask, merely possessing both the stock and a Glock, even if they are not assembled together, might constitute an NFA violation. I know that people say that owning a short barreled AR upper without a proper SBR or pistol lower will get you in trouble even if they aren't mated together. My suggestion is that, whatever you decide to do, do it quickly and maybe ask further questions in the hypothetical sense while you give/sell your RONI to someone who doesn't own a Glock. Oh... and IANAL, so what do I know.

 

[woody089]

... Read that before. I'm not worried about this, nor have I ever actually read where a law abiding citizen has been tracked down or whatever by the ATF. Actually, I would love to read is anyone has a link to a normal citizen being convicted for an SBR violation. This SBR stuff seems like mostly a "self-policed" civilian activity, where everyone makes a very strong effort to follow the law.

If you change the configuration of the CAA RONI Gen 2 by removing said items and installing an approved "Brace", is it still a RONI Gen 2, or is it a support with brace?
Thanks,
Jim

 

[FixedSights]

... Read that before. I'm not worried about this, nor have I ever actually read where a law abiding citizen has been tracked down or whatever by the ATF. Actually, I would love to read is anyone has a link to a normal citizen being convicted for an SBR violation. This SBR stuff seems like mostly a "self-policed" civilian activity, where everyone makes a very strong effort to follow the law.

If you change the configuration of the CAA RONI Gen 2 by removing said items and installing an approved "Brace", is it still a RONI Gen 2, or is it a support with brace?
Thanks,
Jim

That's the case with 99% of what passes as wisdom on the internet... thus the reason why I was careful to say "depending on who you ask..." and "I know that people say...".

I would imagine that short of asking the ATF for an official letter stating their position, it's going to be hard to tell for sure. Logic and common sense often take a vacation when it comes to NFA items.

 

[woody089]

Thanks again. I'm hoping to invoke a CAA representative to respond. In my mind (I work in aerospace manufacturing), if you change the configuration by adding the approved "Brace", you will meet the Pistol definition. All I want to know is if they will sell me the Brace, but no one has responded yet. Thanks, Jim

 

[woody089]

Gents - I have listed the RONI on eBay, in favor of buying the new unit with the Brace. I have been unable to gain any definite answers regarding modifying the Gen 2 to a "brace", and if this would impact the definition of the item to a pistol definition.

Thanks,
Jim

 

[Catshooter]

If I recall correctly, once a firearm becomes an SBR, it's always an SBR regardless of what is done to it. Just like full auto.


Cat

 

[FixedSights]

If I recall correctly, once a firearm becomes an SBR, it's always an SBR regardless of what is done to it. Just like full auto.


Cat

If a tree falls in the forest...

 

[Catshooter]

Your call.


Cat

 

[FixedSights]

Understood, but don't look at me... I was the first one to warn the guy.

 

[PEC-Memphis]

If I recall correctly, once a firearm becomes an SBR, it's always an SBR regardless of what is done to it. Just like full auto.


Cat

No. It can be "un-SBR'ed".

You send a letter to the BATF&E stating the information on the firearm, and your intent to permanently configure it as a Title I firearm. They will send you a reply letter (eventually) that indicates that the firearm has been removed from the registry. Of course you don't get a $200 refund for your tax stamp. It will then be a Title I firearm, and not be under the purview of the NFA.

If you do un-register your Title II firearm, keeping the parts to reconfigure it as a Title II may be violation under constructive intent. Say you have one (1) SBR, un-register it and keep the <16" barrel (or barreled upper), that could be constructive intent. If you have two (2) SBR's and the barrels/barreled uppers are interchangeable, and you un-register one (1) SBR, you can keep the <16" barrel/barreled upper to use on your still registered SBR - but it can never be installed on the no-longer-registered SBR lower.

You can also temporarily configure your SBR to a Title I configuration for transportation across state lines without BATFE notification as long as you don't have the parts to reconfigure it as a Title II firearm.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may...hort-barrel-sbr-or-sbs-be-replaced-long-barrel-hunting-or-other-purposes-intent


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Now a pistol or rifle always keeps its first configuration. You can legally convert a pistol to a rifle configuration as a Title I firearm. But you can't legally convert your rifle to a pistol as a Title I firearm.

Some folks got into trouble converting AR-15 rifles to AR-15 pistols with <16" barrels and SIG braces - not legal. If it was originally manufactured by a SOT manufacturer, it is reasonably easy for the BATFE to prove the original configuration. If it was manufactured as neither rifle or pistol, ie. "other", which is typically a lower (stripped or complete), it is much more difficult, or impossible, for the BATFE to prove the original configuration.