[Troubled Gecko]

Update: Today I field stripped the 36 and cleaned and lubed it properly and went back to the range and ran 6 clips through with no problems at all. I did make sure that my grip was firm too. Seems to be okay!

Uhmm, you do realize there some here that didn't think that was possible?:rofl:

I have (2) G36 models that run as they should... Glad you got your planets in alignment

 

[johnwestphal]

I have the 30S and with cheap aluminum or steel case ammo I'll get some malfunctions. I hated the grip on the gun until I added the Pearce magazine base plates that complete the grip at the next logical finger position. They make these for the 36 as well. The Talon grip also helps the Gen 3 guns greatly.

I'm a Gunsite doctrine user after several courses. I try to use a good weaver stance (push/pull isometric).

For cleaning, I use the Hoppes #9 and some of the aerosol Casey Gunscruber to get the gun really clean. I then lube the mandated points with the Breakfree CLP.

We run the Federal HST and I've fired this ammo with absolutely zero malfunctions. I can't say enough about this ammo for reliability and accuracy. Recovered bullets show very good expansion.

I've seen the 36 frames on Gunbroker and have considered grabbing one for single stack conversion of the 30S for IWB/off-duty carry, so I'm looking forward to updates on your reliability over a few more range sessions.

 

[English]

Here's my cue to go to the next post.

Even more interesting. You mean you are not prepared to consider the cumulative experience of many people in what is a random occurrence in a minority of G36s. How do you think statistical inference works except by multiple tests of multiple examples?

One of the things you need to understand is that evidence that many examples work perfectly does not mean that all examples work perfectly.

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[English]

Uhmm, you do realize there some here that didn't think that was possible?:rofl:

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I have no difficulty believing that is possible. I also have no difficulty in believing that it is not the answer to all G36 problems since it has been tried many times before without success.

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[smokey45]

My 36 runs, well,------like a Glock.
s45

 

[harold63]

Even more interesting. You mean you are not prepared to consider the cumulative experience of many people in what is a random occurrence in a minority of G36s. How do you think statistical inference works except by multiple tests of multiple examples?

One of the things you need to understand is that evidence that many examples work perfectly does not mean that all examples work perfectly.

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Dude, I believe I said to rule out the obvious then have it looked at or let another person shoot the gun. How does that equate to me not believing some of them actually have an issue? I am gonna say a lot of people who have trouble with these small .45's are shooter induced issues. That's not speculation...it's a fact.

eta - If I base my opinion off other people's experiences, I'd probably never buy another handgun. There is a plethora of people's 'experiences' out there and I don't know if half of them even knows how to load a magazine. Best to stick with your personal experience.

 

[fastbolt]

Update: Today I field stripped the 36 and cleaned and lubed it properly and went back to the range and ran 6 clips through with no problems at all. I did make sure that my grip was firm too. Seems to be okay!

Glad to hear it.

Sometimes it's the shooter influence that can be quickly addressed and make shooting a more enjoyable experience.

There's a reason it's not unusual to hear some variation of a saying among firearms instructors and armorers, to the effect that day in & day out, 95% of the time a pistol "problem" turns out to be caused by the shooter, in one manner or another ... and 4% of the time it's the ammo ... and maybe 1% of the time it's probably going to be something with the actual gun. (Obviously, accumulated time and wear, as well as owner/user neglect & abuse, can eventually increase the chance of it being an actual gun problem. :whistling: )

Actual "gun" problems are much less likely than many owners/users might be willing to accept, though.

It still might not hurt to keep in mind that as .45's get smaller & lighter, they can become less tolerant of both shooter & ammunition influences. This is something to perhaps keep in the back of your mind if you engage in an extended range session sometime, and may experience a sudden "functioning problem" when you're becoming fatigued and/or distracted from your technique.

 

[jfusaro]

My 19 did the same thing, 1st shot bang no cycle of the slide.
A few later same thing, turned out to be a bad mag, dealer swapped it out and no problems since.

 

[harold63]

Thought no way it was a grip problem!

I did cowboy action shooting and quick draw for a number of years before buying my first semi....a Bersa Thunder .380, for my wife to carry. It was hit and miss the first day we took it to the range. I finally asked the range master to look at it and he shot a mag full with no failures. He told me to hold it tighter. Never in a million years would I have thought to just grip it a little tighter.

Now where's the irony in that? A Bersa 380 for crying out loud.

 

[Chop Suey]

G36 used to be my favorite Glock for concealed carry;then,I got a G30S. Now it's (36)my 2nd favorite Glock for stated purpose.

Both great guns IMHO.

 

[English]

Dude, I believe I said to rule out the obvious then have it looked at or let another person shoot the gun. How does that equate to me not believing some of them actually have an issue? I am gonna say a lot of people who have trouble with these small .45's are shooter induced issues. That's not speculation...it's a fact.

eta - If I base my opinion off other people's experiences, I'd probably never buy another handgun. There is a plethora of people's 'experiences' out there and I don't know if half of them even knows how to load a magazine. Best to stick with your personal experience.

Let me apologize! I have a history on this issue arguing against some distinctly unpleasant people and so I am primed with expectation before I return to it. The people I am talking of would not accept any possibility that each and every G36 was perfect though there was ample evidence of significant consistent problems with some. I was treating your post as examples of their thinking. Clearly you are not one of them and I am sorry for reacting as though you were.

On the issue of other people's experiences, they obviously have to be treated warily, but when they provide detailed and consistent descriptions of the same problem that varies only in its frequency we have to suspect a real fault. When video evidence is provided showing that the shooter is definitely not limp wristing and showing that the fault occurs once or more per magazine it becomes very hard to believe that there is not a real problem with the design or manufacture of the gun.

That was the case with the G36 some time back. Since then there has been a spate of problems with other Glock models, starting with late generation 3's ejecting in random directions. This is commonly known as brass to the face since the shooter notices the cases that hit his face or head, but observation by a second party shows that this is just part of a random pattern where some cases actually go to the left. This too is a real gun related issue which Glock addressed first with a change to the RSA and then with changes to ejectors and extractors. All of these changes failed to solve the fundamental problem though some were reduced.

Relying only on personal experience cannot possibly provide the information in depth available from the cumulative experience of others. That is the basis of my thinking on the matter. If you buy a pistol, or even shoot one you do not own, and it has a problem, do you then buy no more of the make again? Over a long life and many pistols, that could leave you with very little choice.

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[smokey45]

I have seen feeding issues with the 36 that were related to the +magazine extensions. Once the extensions were removed, the problems went away. I wonder how many of these problematic pistols are running mag extensions.
s45

 

[fastbolt]

Personally, I don't expect any manufacturer's guns to always be without an occasional fault regarding materials, production, manufacturing tolerances, etc. Things happen.

I do remember many years ago when a previous Glock LE rep told me that once the company had addressed some early magazine issues, the G36 had been running pretty well. I remember some mention of an early barrel/feedramp revision, too. Then, there's always the race for follower design to keep abreast of the ever changing JHP designs.

FWIW, I can think of a couple of Glock employees who have chosen the G36 out of all possible models as their personal carry weapons, which would seem to speak well enough to the inherent design of the smallish slimline .45 ACP.

While I've not quite felt like adding yet another not-quite-4" .45 to my collection, I'd not have any particular concern ordering and carrying a G36. Naturally, I'd function-test a representative sampling of my usual carry JHP's through it, which usually means firing at least 25-50 rounds through each of the magazines I intended to use, of some ammo mix, before carrying it.

I prefer to use recognized major American maker ammo for test-fire & function confirmation, too.

 

[Troubled Gecko]

I have no difficulty believing that is possible. I also have no difficulty in believing that it is not the answer to all G36 problems since it has been tried many times before without success.

English

Fair enough and I understand your position...

 

[Glock 23 Nutter]

Update: Today I field stripped the 36 and cleaned and lubed it properly and went back to the range and ran 6 clips through with no problems at all. I did make sure that my grip was firm too. Seems to be okay!

GLOCKs take a few boxes before they get broken in.

Tip: G36's are sloppy loose.

I lube both mine w/ a thin film of Marine Grease on all the metal/metal sliding surfaces.

Sticks/stays/lubes.

Both my G36's run like Austrian watches of cold death.

"If it slides... Grease it. If it rotates... Oil it."




GR

 

[1GunLover61]

"If it slides... Grease it. If it rotates... Oil it."

GR

That makes complete sense to me.

 

[harold63]

Let me apologize! I have a history on this issue arguing against some distinctly unpleasant people

It isn't necessary. I never rule out the fact a gun could be at fault, but I never draw to that conclusion until I've ruled out every other reason a gun could have had a malfunction. :winkie:

 

[harold63]

It isn't necessary. I never rule out the fact a gun could be at fault, but I never draw to that conclusion until I've ruled out every other reason a gun could have had a malfunction. :winkie:

There are 4 or 5 blokes here who you know you can take information from. Aside from the fact they know what they're talking about, they never bash a gun until all the obvious has been looked at. The major issue with people who claim they are having gun issues is they never report back what they found to be causing the problem. Think about it. :whistling:

 

[truckcop]

Oh, what the heck, I'll add my experiences, relevant or not. I had two early G36's. Neither one ran very well, mostly failures to feed properly. And believe me when I tell you, it was not a shooter issue. I could shoot 36's belonging to others without issue. Those others would shoot mine and have the same issues. I tried a number of things in an attempt to cure the problems and nothing worked. They both became safe queens. A couple of years ago, I was put onto a possible solution that I hadn't yet tried: Wolff Extra Power magazine springs. Both guns became real Glocks and from that day onward have performed flawlessly. I've even shot them deliberately limp wristing them and they still motored on. My experience. Go figure. Sold one to get something else.

 

[CharlestonG26]

My G36 does not like WWB. Runs great with Fiocchi and other more potent ammo. Guess I must be 'limp-wristing' when I shoot the WWB stuff.