[unit1069]

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[Kootenai+p]

I only shoot reloaded ammo, mostly +p
no issues with +p in my g3 20

 

[GRR]

I don't think any MFR actually has something written that signs off on +P+. Plenty of Glockers use it, but I don't.

That's because there is no specification for +p+. No common standard that they CAN sign off on.

 

[Merkavaboy]

That's because there is no specification for +p+. No common standard that they CAN sign off on.

Federal, Winchester, Remington and Speer has been making 9mm +P+ for decades, primarily for LE use. Even though this ammo is not "SAAMI approved", these companies are not going to make ammo that's going to damage the end-users' firearms.

 

[captcurly]

Glocks are as tough as they are ugly. I just love them.

 

[Chop Suey]

Glocks are as tough as they are ugly. I just love them.

Well said,captcurly.

Will run some Hornady XTP 230gr+P(950fps) and some Critical Duty 220gr+P(990fps) in my G30S soon. Just for grins.

Won't be grinning long as this is expensive ammo.

Never see Federal HST for sale locally here.

 

[nraman]

Federal, Winchester, Remington and Speer has been making 9mm +P+ for decades, primarily for LE use. Even though this ammo is not "SAAMI approved", these companies are not going to make ammo that's going to damage the end-users' firearms.

You are absolutely right. IMO what they do is they use pressure standards that are not SAAMI. CIP and NATO are approved standards used worldwide unlike the SAAMI that the US is stuck with because there are some US made 9mm pistols unable to use anything stronger than SAAMI.
That creates an interesting situation, people buying pistols designed outside the US, designed to handle normal European 9mm ammo and then get upset when they get BTF and weak ejection using weak SAAMI ammo like WWB.

 

[GRR]

Federal, Winchester, Remington and Speer has been making 9mm +P+ for decades, primarily for LE use. Even though this ammo is not "SAAMI approved", these companies are not going to make ammo that's going to damage the end-users' firearms.

What's the specification for their "+p+"? They are all making ammo to a proprietary recipe that is probably somewhat above SAAMI +p pressures and calling it "+p+". +p+? There is still no commonly accepted standard that gun manufacturers can hang their hat on.

 

[GRR]

You are absolutely right. IMO what they do is they use pressure standards that are not SAAMI. CIP and NATO are approved standards used worldwide unlike the SAAMI that the US is stuck with because there are some US made 9mm pistols unable to use anything stronger than SAAMI.
That creates an interesting situation, people buying pistols designed outside the US, designed to handle normal European 9mm ammo and then get upset when they get BTF and weak ejection using weak SAAMI ammo like WWB.

WHAT unidentified pressure standards are you talking about for +p+? Do they all use the same one? What is the standard for +p+? It doesn't exist. If they are loading to CIP or NATO standards, why don't they identify their loads as such?

 

[nraman]

WHAT unidentified pressure standards are you talking about for +p+? Do they all use the same one? What is the standard for +p+? It doesn't exist. If they are loading to CIP or NATO standards, why don't they identify their loads as such?

I wondered about that myself, I emailed WW asking them, no answer.
As I said, it is only an opinion that they abandoned one standard to use an other.

 

[GlockFan7]

I carry +P, so I practice with it enough stay familiar and it's the last thing I shoot before leaving the range, for muscle memory. For most of my range shooting, I go for much cheaper standard loads with an occasional box of NATO.

 

[fran m]

I have been carrying duty g17 and g 19s since 1990. The load was Federal Hydrashok +P+ 124 grain until recently.

The +P+ issue comes up often. We have never damaged or had a gun blow up with the several hundred guns that have cycled through our dept in 25 years.

I have noticed that the manual that comes new guns does not recommend +P+ ammo, just +p.

The Glock area LE Rep says in an email that our guns are "rated for +P+" his words. A Glock rep that I emailed from the Glock website says "no", +P only.

I shoot +P+ in my Shield. Never a hiccup in that either. It for sure is not rated for +P+.

We have had to recently go the standard pressure 9mm 124 grain HST. Ordered +P but received standard pressure. Hopefully it's good enough. +P+ Hyderashok 124 grain is still cataloged but hard to actually get in the quantities we need.

 

[fran m]

Double post when I edited. That feature is acting weird.

 

[wiiawiwb]

Just bought some Buffalo Bore +P+ for my G17. We'll see how it does.

 

[ewetstone]

I have been carry duty g17 and g 19s since 1990. The load was Federal Hydrashok +P+ 124 grain.

The +P+ issue comes up often. We have never damaged or had a gun blow up with the several hundred guns that have cycle through our dept in 25 years.

I have noticed that the manual that comes new guns does not recommend +P+ ammo, just +p.

The Glock area LE Rep says in an email that our guns are "rated for +P+" his words. A Glock rep that I emailed form the Glock website says "no", +P only.

I shoot +P+ in my Shield. Never a hiccup in that either. It for sure is not rated for +P+.

We have had to recently go the standard pressure 9mm 124 grain HST. Ordered +P but received standard pressure. Hopefully it's good enough. +P+ Hydrashok 124 grain is still cataloged but hard to actually get in the quantities we need.

As a LEO have you ever carried Winchester Ranger T 9mm 127gr. +P+? I have several hundred rounds and use is it when I carry my G17 gen2.

 

[CTGlocker40]

Any factory ammo set a +p or +p+ is fine for me and my 17. Don't worry about it.

 

[ghoule319]

I just scored some black hills ammo today at cabelas, some 124 grain JHP. I'm going to use these as home defense rounds. Originally I had just some standard 117 grain FMJ"s in the clips.

When I was at cabelas I asked the guy who sold me my glock what he thought about all the plus p ammo and heavier grains, and he said there was no real concern and run it!

 

[fran m]

As a LEO have you ever carried Winchester Ranger T 9mm 127gr. +P+? I have several hundred rounds and use is it when I carry my G17 gen2.

No, I haven't. The HST is the only load we have carried in pistols beside the +P+ Hydrashok.

 

[Spartanmike]

Can Glocks use +P ammo?

I know this is an older thread and another person mentioned it, but I hate when people lie just to make the gun they own seem better. I don't know why people feel the need to lie. Glock does NOT "love +p ammo" . Straight from THE COMPANY GLOCK they say this word for word straight from their FAQ, "We recommend using ammunition that is manufactured and meets SAAMI or other industry standards, and while some +P ammunition meets these guidelines, +P+ usually does not. This ammunition may generate a higher pressure than standard ammunition, which could shorten the life of the parts of your firearm".
They also say if its determined that high pressures damaged your gun it voids your warranty. So regardless of people's personal opinions, if it isn't SAAMI, Glock says NO.

Can Glocks use +P ammo?

 

[Valmet]

I know this is an older thread and another person mentioned it, but I hate when people lie just to make the gun they own seem better. I don't know why people feel the need to lie. Glock does NOT "love +p ammo" . Straight from THE COMPANY GLOCK they say this word for word straight from their FAQ, "We recommend using ammunition that is manufactured and meets SAAMI or other industry standards, and while some +P ammunition meets these guidelines, +P+ usually does not. This ammunition may generate a higher pressure than standard ammunition, which could shorten the life of the parts of your firearm".
They also say if its determined that high pressures damaged your gun it voids your warranty. So regardless of people's personal opinions, if it isn't SAAMI, Glock says NO.

I don’t see anyone “lying” in this thread. While Glock may not recommend it, Glocks “can” use +P Ammo.

Kinda stirring the pot in a 5-yr old thread with your first post.