[btefft]

Does anyone know who makes a heavier recoil spring than the G27's stock spring?

I ask because I replaced the recoil spring in my little Ruger LCP with a heavier one (13-lb) and it is a pleasure to shoot, now. It really tamed that little rascal. So, I'm wondering if it'd work on my G27.

Thanks
Bobby

 

[Dave.1]

You can get a non captive spring set from Wolff with different weights.
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=5#121

I've been using this one on my G26 since 2008 (with spring changes). Coating shows wear but functions fine.




Check out Lone Wolf too. They now have a stainless version.
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7413&CAT=210

Dave

 

[btefft]

You can get a non captive spring set from Wolff with different weights.
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=5#121

I've been using this one on my G26 since 2008 (with spring changes). Coating shows wear but functions fine.




Check out Lone Wolf too. They now have a stainless version.
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7413&CAT=210

Dave

Thanks for the reply and pics, Dave.

I emailed Lone Wolf with questions about their spring. Do you happen to know the weight of the stock spring and about how many more pounds a new spring needs to be to do the job of reducing recoil. I wouldn't want to get a spring with the same weight as the factory one.

Bobby

 

[Dave.1]

This is per the Wolff gunsprings.com.

"Reduced Power...: 14 Lb.
Factory Standard.: 16 Lb.
Extra Power.........: 18, 20, 22 & 24 Lb"

They are the same for G26, G27, and G33. You'd think the heavier calibers would be stiffer but even Glock OEM uses the same weight.

I don't know that much about the Lone Wolf, but I assume they are either using the Wolff or some other mfg springs. I like the Lone Wolff as far as being a captured spring, but I'm used to using a non captured after all these years.

The springs aren't that expensive once you have the guide rod set up so you might want to experiment with what will reduce recoil but not impair the function of the pistol.

Dave

 

[WeeWilly]

Felt recoil is a funny thing but, in general, going up in spring weight causes more felt recoil not less.

There are aftermarket suppliers that sell multi-spring recoil assemblies that purport to reduce felt recoil (i.e. Springco, etc.) and there may be some truth to their claims as Glock wouldn't be spending the money to include dual spring RSA's in their later guns for nothing.

On the other hand, if it makes it feel less to you, that is all that counts.

 

[kirgi08]

Lightning strike usta make a dual coil captured g27 spring,I have them in 5 of my g27s.I have one in my EDC g23,not a dual coil but titanium none the less.I don't know if they still do.I couldn't post a link at gunpoint.'08.

 

[cciman]

That's the rule of thumb to those that know, but "felt recoil" is subjective to begin with. Recoil is ultimately reduced by good technique, repetition, and training. Nobody want's to swallow that.

Placebo effect plays a greater role. If you spend money outside the ring of "factory brand" you perceive better results- whatever those results may be.

This is rampant in the automotive industry with promises of a "5% increase in horsepower", "better, smoother, running engine" etc...

Felt recoil is a funny thing but, in general, going up in spring weight causes more felt recoil not less.

There are aftermarket suppliers that sell multi-spring recoil assemblies that purport to reduce felt recoil (i.e. Springco, etc.) and there may be some truth to their claims as Glock wouldn't be spending the money to include dual spring RSA's in their later guns for nothing.

On the other hand, if it makes it feel less to you, that is all that counts.

 

[WeeWilly]

That's the rule of thumb to those that know, but "felt recoil" is subjective to begin with. Recoil is ultimately reduced by good technique, repetition, and training. Nobody want's to swallow that.

Placebo effect plays a greater role. If you spend money outside the ring of "factory brand" you perceive better results- whatever those results may be.

This is rampant in the automotive industry with promises of a "5% increase in horsepower", "better, smoother, running engine" etc...

I don't disagree with these notions. Felt recoil can change with how much flash a given load develops as well. Two loads with the exact same bullet and powder charge weight, going the exact same speed at the muzzle, shot from the exact same gun can give the shooter a perception the big flash load is much hotter, hence more felt recoil.

In my experience, the more you shoot, the less recoil comes into the forefront of your consciousness. On the other hand, I always shoot low recoiling loads better than their hotter counterparts, at least after the first shot.

 

[btefft]

Lots of stuff to think about. Placebo effect, hadn't thought about that, but I swear the heavier spring in the LCP caused less pain in the web of my right hand - seemed real to me.

And I also am wondering if the metal rod may be better, in the long run, that the OEM one.

Bobby.

 

[WeeWilly]

Lots of stuff to think about. Placebo effect, hadn't thought about that, but I swear the heavier spring in the LCP caused less pain in the web of my right hand - seemed real to me.

And I also am wondering if the metal rod may be better, in the long run, that the OEM one.

Bobby.

I wouldn't over think it, if it works for you that is all that matters.

Changing spring rates will affect the recoil impulse, how soon the barrel unlocks (at the margins), etc. and how it feels in your hand, where the pressure points appear, etc. In addition, like ski boots, sometimes you get used to how they feel over time. It really is a three dimension chess problem.

My wife is really into the whole homeopathic, organic, new age stuff. I always tell her, "The Placebo Effect is real for the person experiencing it, who cares if it only works for you?"

 

[cciman]

Placebo affect can change perception of reality but not the reality itself. It has it's benefits if used in the right direction, but also limits. "If it works for you, it's all that matters"- is very organic, but on a large scale, can be economically foolish. That's how companies that rely on placebo in their products make good profit. That is also why it is so important to have oversight by entities that can be as objective as possible to evaluate the effect.

People may feel better after inhaling all natural, burning brown plant leaves, but it does not change the reality that it is still a toxin, and long term, causes cancer, or lung disease.

That loud muffler may make your car seem to have more power, but on the dyno it has less.

Just 2 extreme examples of where placebo effect is not necessarily good. A $10 recoil spring, + a $20 guide rod, probably not that immense in one case. This is a free country based on free market principles.

 

[cciman]

Next topic:

Muzzle Brakes, flash hiders, and compensators:wow:

 

[btefft]

Next topic:

Muzzle Brakes, flash hiders, and compensators:wow:

Ha, I get your point cciman

 

[Dave.1]

And I also am wondering if the metal rod may be better, in the long run, that the OEM one.

Bobby.

I don't think the metal is any better than the OEM. I got into using it mainly for economy. When I got my Wolff set up they were only about $12 and the springs buy them selves are cheaper than the OEM double spring unit.

Dave

 

[btefft]

You can get a non captive spring set from Wolff with different weights.
http://www.gunsprings.com/index.cfm?page=items&cID=1&mID=5#121

I've been using this one on my G26 since 2008 (with spring changes). Coating shows wear but functions fine.




Check out Lone Wolf too. They now have a stainless version.
http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=7413&CAT=210

Dave

Hey Dave, I was wondering: as you do your spring changes, do you notice any difference in recoil, if not, why do spring changes?

 

[Dave.1]

Hey Dave, I was wondering: as you do your spring changes, do you notice any difference in recoil, if not, why do spring changes?

I honestly can't say that I notice a difference when I change, as far as felt recoil goes.

I change on my G26 every year, mostly because I put at least 3K rounds thru it. It's also a carry pistol and I want it in top shape. With the Wolff springs I bought last year it costs me about $7, the Glock OEM recoil spring assembly is about $18.

One thing to consider is that you are battering the frame pretty well every time you fire a round. I doubt that you will ever wear the frame out with abuse, and the pistol may continue to function well enough with a worn spring but having it fail to go back into battery one time can be a problem if you use it for self defense.

I don't know what you'll choose to do as far as spring strength goes, but I think even the OEM Glock spring should be changed every 5K or so.

Let us know what you end up doing. I'd be interested to hear what Lone Wolf has to say.

Dave

 

[btefft]

I honestly can't say that I notice a difference when I change, as far as felt recoil goes.

I change on my G26 every year, mostly because I put at least 3K rounds thru it. It's also a carry pistol and I want it in top shape. With the Wolff springs I bought last year it costs me about $7, the Glock OEM recoil spring assembly is about $18.

One thing to consider is that you are battering the frame pretty well every time you fire a round. I doubt that you will ever wear the frame out with abuse, and the pistol may continue to function well enough with a worn spring but having it fail to go back into battery one time can be a problem if you use it for self defense.

I don't know what you'll choose to do as far as spring strength goes, but I think even the OEM Glock spring should be changed every 5K or so.

Let us know what you end up doing. I'd be interested to hear what Lone Wolf has to say.

Dave

I'll let you know what LW tells me. It just dawned on me that the stronger spring is probably used more for improving cycling (going into battery), then for reducing recoil.

No way I'll every shoot as many rounds as you do, though.

 

[Captain Crooch]

Does anyone know who makes a heavier recoil spring than the G27's stock spring?

I ask because I replaced the recoil spring in my little Ruger LCP with a heavier one (13-lb) and it is a pleasure to shoot, now. It really tamed that little rascal. So, I'm wondering if it'd work on my G27.

Thanks
Bobby

I'll let you know what LW tells me. It just dawned on me that the stronger spring is probably used more for improving cycling (going into battery), then for reducing recoil.

No way I'll every shoot as many rounds as you do, though.

I replaced the factory plastic 16lb factory with a 18lb tungsten guide rod spring assembly from GlockStore.com. My input, Factory 16 is OK for all weather, In very cold weather you might want to drop to 14lbs. The reason I went to18lb tungsten is that the heavy tungsten (almost twice the weight of the SS guide rod) helps keep the frame more stationary and reducing rise while the slide is in motion, thus helping for next shot target acquisition. the heavier spring does little for felt recoil if any but it does reduce the rearward "smack" of the slide, thus, reducing wear and tear on the rearward slide limiting components and the front rail (unless you are shooting 10's of thousands of rounds through your G27 this probably will never be an issue). Keep in mind cold ammo burns slower and often causes ejection malfunctions, stove piping, carbon build up then the same feed issues similar to the effects of limp-wristing so never use anything more than an 18lb in a G27. If not for the heavier Tungsten Steel guide rod to help stabilize the frame -channeling more power to rearward slide movement, I would be useing factory 16lb spring. To each their own but this is my opinion and my reasoning. I own a G30, G30-s G36 G38 G22 G27 and a G38, I've put all the buttons and bell on all my Glocks for many years. So, I don't know if you specifically asked anyone in particular but I just thought I'd raise my hand here to give yo a long winded answer your question, Respectfully, .....CaptainCrooch

 

[GRR]

I replaced the factory plastic 16lb factory with a 18lb tungsten guide rod spring assembly from GlockStore.com. My input, Factory 16 is OK for all weather, In very cold weather you might want to drop to 14lbs. The reason I went to18lb tungsten is that the heavy tungsten (almost twice the weight of the SS guide rod) helps keep the frame more stationary and reducing rise while the slide is in motion, thus helping for next shot target acquisition. the heavier spring does little for felt recoil if any but it does reduce the rearward "smack" of the slide, thus, reducing wear and tear on the rearward slide limiting components and the front rail (unless you are shooting 10's of thousands of rounds through your G27 this probably will never be an issue). Keep in mind cold ammo burns slower and often causes ejection malfunctions, stove piping, carbon build up then the same feed issues similar to the effects of limp-wristing so never use anything more than an 18lb in a G27. If not for the heavier Tungsten Steel guide rod to help stabilize the frame -channeling more power to rearward slide movement, I would be useing factory 16lb spring. To each their own but this is my opinion and my reasoning. I own a G30, G30-s G36 G38 G22 G27 and a G38, I've put all the buttons and bell on all my Glocks for many years. So, I don't know if you specifically asked anyone in particular but I just thought I'd raise my hand here to give yo a long winded answer your question, Respectfully, .....CaptainCrooch

I imagine the OP has done whatever long ago. 5 year old thread.


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[Captain Crooch]

I imagine the OP has done whatever long ago. 5 year old thread.


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Yep, I guess that was an old thread. I just got here and I read it, I imagine someone else might as well.Happy Holidays to you
Respectfully, Captain Crooch