[OhioGlockMan]

Missouri Bullets recently started offering their hard cast bullets coated with a coating called "Hi-Tek 2-Extreme coating", they are 18 BHN hard cast and the coated ones have lube grooves but no lube in them, and the company states you don't need a lube with this coating which as far as I can tell is a polymer coating and also from what I've been reading online is they don't smoke and don't dirty your hand and dyes and you get no leading in your barrel, and it says you can push them to magnum velocities. Sounds almost too good to be true, kind of like the economy of a plated bullet with no smoke and dirty hands and guns and dyes but no issues being pushed hard and fast like a regular hard cast.

Any thoughts? The prices on these are VERY resonable

 

[eb07]

I have used the pugnose 180 grains in my 357 revolvers and the softball 230gr in my 1911 before with no issue. I use the strikers in the 357 and the regular softball mostly. They are accurate and feed fine in the semi.

 

[OhioGlockMan]

eb07,

Are these coated cast bullets truly as clean as working with plated or jacketed?

 

[eb07]

eb07,

Are these coated cast bullets truly as clean as working with plated or jacketed?

I have never had a problem with them, meaning I did not have to perform any extra cleaning outside of my regular cleaning or notice and extra buildup.

 

[OhioGlockMan]

Ok so whats the catch then? They are only about 5-6 bucks more per 500 vs regular hard cast bare lead. I'm definately getting some bricks in 10mm and 357.

 

[WeeWilly]

I have shot some coated SNS Casting (basically the same coating) out of my 10mm, 40 and 45 Auto.

They do seem to eliminate the leading and you get less lube smoke. I frankly don't think you get something for nothing, as I think cleanup takes just as long. Where you might avoid the few passes of copper chore boy it might take to get any light leading that might be left behind by traditional lead bullets, there is a fair amount of scrubbing with a bore brush and solvent if you want all the carbon out of the bore (from what I assume is burned paint).

In the end, I think most people that use them think they are probably worth the difference in price over straight lead.

I would take a look at SNS Casting for either coated or plain lead. I think their quality, packaging and CS is superior to MBC.

Good luck.

 

[danattherock]

Might be worth having them send you a sample pack to try. I just ordered 1000 IDP 5 180 gr for my 10 mm. They shoot good so I stayed with them. They were $41/500 and coated were $48/500. I will put that $14 towards buying 500 primers. Or 7% of my overpriced 1000 nickel DT 10 mm cases I just got off DT's website. Ha ha.


Dan

 

[OhioGlockMan]

WeeWilly,

Can the SNS Casting bullets also be pushed hard to magnum pressures and speeds?

 

[WeeWilly]

WeeWilly,

Can the SNS Casting bullets also be pushed hard to magnum pressures and speeds?

I haven't pushed them very hard. I think the hardest I have run the coated SNS 175gr LSWC out of my G20 barrels was 1200fps, that was no different than 800fps. Normally I use them at target velocities (1000 fps and below).

The coating is baked on and is pretty tough, so I would think they would be better than plain base for sure, maybe not quite a good as GC's.

Just keep an eye on the bore if you really start running them hard. The only significant leading I ever had with a Glock over a traditionally rifled barrel was when running some .45 Super very hard. I was shooting some MBC 225gr LTC out of one of my 1911's and my G21SF. When I got up around 1200fps the Glock started to really degrade accuracy wise. When I looked at the barrel, it was a mess of leading. So if you decide to really push them, maybe check frequently.

Good luck.

 

[OhioGlockMan]

Hmm, 1200 is not that fast, I looked into the bullets and I noticed this SNS company says they are 15-16 hardness and the Missouri bullets are 18 hardness, I'm wondering if that would make much of a difference with high powered loads.

 

[WeeWilly]

Hmm, 1200 is not that fast, I looked into the bullets and I noticed this SNS company says they are 15-16 hardness and the Missouri bullets are 18 hardness, I'm wondering if that would make much of a difference with high powered loads.

I don't think the hardness (at least those kinds of differences) is going to make any difference at all.

The only way to know for sure are to test them. I mean, even of someone comes on here and says, "hell yeah, I run my coated bullets to 2000fps", doesn't mean they will work well at full power 10mm velocities in your guns.

 

[Big Sam]

I have only use the SNS (great packaging) and in 10mm, 357 mag, 40, and 9mm. They work well enough. No problems and certainly no leading. Accuracy is not bad but I've done only a little 100 yard work.

It does leave a residue layer in the bore. Kinda looks like leading but is not. I put some copper cleaner in to bore to pull the residue up but it did not (the residue has not been a problem thoughy). So I tried some Slick 2000 on swabs and it cleaned the reside up without scrubbing.

So far I would call it a good investment.

 

[WeeWilly]

I have only use the SNS (great packaging) and in 10mm, 357 mag, 40, and 9mm. They work well enough. No problems and certainly no leading. Accuracy is not bad but I've done only a little 100 yard work.

It does leave a residue layer in the bore. Kinda looks like leading but is not. I put some copper cleaner in to bore to pull the residue up but it did not (the residue has not been a problem thoughy). So I tried some Slick 2000 on swabs and it cleaned the reside up without scrubbing.

So far I would call it a good investment.

Thanks for the tip.

Getting that last bit of residue from the SNS coated bullets out of the barrel has vexed me. It has been so annoying, I have been tempted to quit buying them.

I am assuming you meant the Slip 2000 carbon solvent?

 

[Big Sam]

Thanks for the tip.

Getting that last bit of residue from the SNS coated bullets out of the barrel has vexed me. It has been so annoying, I have been tempted to quit buying them.

I am assuming you meant the Slip 2000 carbon solvent?

Hi there WW,

Sorry for not being more specific. It was the Slip 2000 EWL. Works pretty good. I have tried wire brushing the coating out but Slip 2000 EWL worked better. Best results would be with both but the EWL by itself did a decent job.

BTW... I'm shooting them in my 45 acp with good results.

 

[WeeWilly]

Hi there WW,

Sorry for not being more specific. It was the Slip 2000 EWL. Works pretty good. I have tried wire brushing the coating out but Slip 2000 EWL worked better. Best results would be with both but the EWL by itself did a decent job.

BTW... I'm shooting them in my 45 acp with good results.

Thanks for that, I will give it a try.

The residue seems uneven with regard to when it seems to be a bear to get out and when it really isn't there.

Lately I have been shooting a lot of the SNS coated .40 175 LSWC's out of my G35. I am running them at about 800fps with 3.3gr of Clays and there is no residue at all. One patch of CLP and one dry and I am done.

When I run their 200gr LSWC's out of my 1911 at say 850-900fps, I get a little more residue and it is a little harder to get out completely.

When I run the .40 175gr LSWC's at 1150fps+ out of my G20, I have residue that just does not seem to come out without 20 minutes plus of scrubbing, multiple brushes, etc. More of a pain than moderate leading.

Can't wait to try the Slip, it will make me happy again about the coated...

 

[OhioGlockMan]

I'm getting the impression the coated hard cast bullets are too good to be true, you don't get the smoke and messy fingers but if you push them past 1200 they create hard caked in barrel fouling thats even harder to remove then lead, am I correct?

 

[WeeWilly]

I'm getting the impression the coated hard cast bullets are too good to be true, you don't get the smoke and messy fingers but if you push them past 1200 they create hard caked in barrel fouling thats even harder to remove then lead, am I correct?

For my case, I don't know for certain what the elements are that make for a difficult residue being left behind, versus a basically clean barrel. My guess is when they are pushed hard they tend to leave behind the hard to clean stuff, but it may not be that, it may be powder related, how fast the powder or how hot it burns versus other options, I have not tested enough to know for certain.

I can say that, at times, what is left behind is every bit as hard to clean (to make the barrel free of every bit of the residue) as any really difficult leading issue, maybe worse. But that is not considering what Slip 2000 will provide, which I just ordered some last night and obviously I am pretty excited about the potential.

 

[Big Sam]

I think it's too early to tell how good the coating is. It's obvious the coating is good but we'll know more after a few thousand of them are shot. Looking forward to more load development and testing to prove these things out.

 

[WeeWilly]

I think it's too early to tell how good the coating is. It's obvious the coating is good but we'll know more after a few thousand of them are shot. Looking forward to more load development and testing to prove these things out.

And frankly for my part, if the Slip 2000 works as well for me as it did for you, it really won't matter. I have shot about 5K of them so far, if I solve the cleaning issue, I will keep using them.

After reading your post, I did go down and try (and retried) just about all the solvents I had on hand and none really did the job. Butch's Bore Shine and some chore boy seems to get it done, but not like Slip 2000 did for you.

Can't wait to try it.

 

[OhioGlockMan]

WeeWilly,

I'm wondering if it would be safe to shoot the coated hard cast bullets during the same session as jacketed, I wonder if that fouling would create a pressure spike if you shot a jacketed without cleaning, whats your thoughts on that?

Also I was thinking about ordering some of those for my 357 magnum lever action rifle, that shoots a 158 gr at 1700 FPS, you think that would be way too much thou for those?