The family is calling for more CWP training.
It's all in the article.
Spartanburg Waffle House CWP shooting video released, sparks new debate
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It's all in the article.
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Just a small point and not really germane.
"Vigilante justice" came about because the government was unable to perform the functions it had been delegated and protect its citizens. (Has it ever been able to?)
I didn't see any government representatives there to stop these two thugs so it's my considered opinion the victim did what he had to do.
Vigilante has become a modern epithet and sometimes the vigilantes get a bad rap.
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"They're covered under that law, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life," said McSwain.
Sounds like certain other people are the ones who need more "training". And it ain't CCWers.
Sounds like certain other people are the ones who need more "training". And it ain't CCWers.
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I read all the articles and watched the video. All I can say is that this young man's family failed him miserably in his upbringing. They failed to teach him that for every action there is a consequence. He chose to entire an establishment with a handgun and demand people on the floor. The CCP holder is not in the wrong in the least. He was minding his own business and was determined that the last vision he'd ever see on earth would not be a cold, dirty piece of tile in a Waffle House restaurant. He's in the right, the other young man was clearly in the wrong. I don't see what new debate in could possibly bring up. Are we as a society just going to allow thugs to have their way? His family is now learning the lessons that they should have taught him when he was younger. They are now dealing with the consequences of his actions.
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If their son hadn't gone into a Waffle House to commit armed robbery the citizen wouldn't be put in the position to shoot him. Of course the CWP (aka Chuck Wright Permit) should have known it was a good kid who'd not been in trouble before and was just hanging out with the wrong person.
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This is what happens when...
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While not by itself conclusive (in a court of law), the video supports the findings stated by the LE agency charged with investigating it.
I don't see the CCW'ers use of deadly force being an issue in any local I'm familiar with.
The deceased:
The deceased met all elements required for a reasonable person in the same situation as the CCW'er to feel the threat of imminent great bodily harm.
The Cuz states "they were walking out". True or not, the following is accurate: They were walking toward the CCW'er, after meeting, and continuing to meet, the criteria above.
jmho
I don't see the CCW'ers use of deadly force being an issue in any local I'm familiar with.
The deceased:
- Possessed the means to inflict great bodily harm (gun)
- Was in close proximity to the CCW'er
- Threatened with the gun (verbally and pointing gun)
The deceased met all elements required for a reasonable person in the same situation as the CCW'er to feel the threat of imminent great bodily harm.
The Cuz states "they were walking out". True or not, the following is accurate: They were walking toward the CCW'er, after meeting, and continuing to meet, the criteria above.
jmho
From the time that Waffle House came out and said that they do not allow firearms, there has been a rise of shootings in and around Waffle Houses`s.
Waffle House should have remained silent on the issue, but since they did not, now your everyday Cuz knows where to start trouble.
Waffle House should have remained silent on the issue, but since they did not, now your everyday Cuz knows where to start trouble.
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I never knew that. Several years back there was the story about the two open carriers in Georgia who prevented a robbery so I figured they allowed guns. When I was living in Georgia I didn't go there a lot, but I went several times. Had I known about this policy I would have not given them my business.
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The question is, can they comprehend it?
Yep...they are supposed to have the understanding that every person robbing a Convenient Mart, Waffle House etc are nice kids that don't deserve to die.
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"He was such a nice boy. He loved to dance, funny, loved to have fun."
Same story, difference actors. Next up, call Obama and Holder and try to get them to do what they did with the Zimmerman/Martin case... play the race card. You watch, it'll come out.
In 1977 at the western edge of Alexandria, VA (really part of Fairfax County), there was a a Roy Rogers Restaurant close to the major intersection of route 236 and I-395. In March of that year, four people were murdered after they were herded into the stand up freezer. One survived her wounds. If armed people enter a business or home and demand that the occupants be taken to some part of the building or to lay on the floor, expect the worse case scenario. Actually one should always expect such a scenario when armed people threaten you.
The armed citizen did the right thing. He defended himself and as a residual effect of his actions, other lives may have been saved.
Same story, difference actors. Next up, call Obama and Holder and try to get them to do what they did with the Zimmerman/Martin case... play the race card. You watch, it'll come out.
In 1977 at the western edge of Alexandria, VA (really part of Fairfax County), there was a a Roy Rogers Restaurant close to the major intersection of route 236 and I-395. In March of that year, four people were murdered after they were herded into the stand up freezer. One survived her wounds. If armed people enter a business or home and demand that the occupants be taken to some part of the building or to lay on the floor, expect the worse case scenario. Actually one should always expect such a scenario when armed people threaten you.
The armed citizen did the right thing. He defended himself and as a residual effect of his actions, other lives may have been saved.
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I'm not a lawyer but I think if the dead perp's family decides to pursue a civil case the defense should subpoena the video and call McSwain for testimony.
1. McSwain stated that her cousin was totally out of character in participating in a robbery.
2. If her statement about his being "out of character" is truthful how could she possibly know he and his accomplice were exiting Waffle House with no intent to inflict great bodily harm?
3. What did Harrison do that an off-duty LEO wouldn't have done, unless trained LEO possess the uncanny ability to read minds? I'd make sure the defendant counter-sues the perp's family for financial damages if they are prodded by the "community" into filing a civil case. Like "progressive" urban cities are discovering trying to prevent Second Amendment rights, let the rabble pay through the nose fighting a rear-guard action.
1. McSwain stated that her cousin was totally out of character in participating in a robbery.
2. If her statement about his being "out of character" is truthful how could she possibly know he and his accomplice were exiting Waffle House with no intent to inflict great bodily harm?
3. What did Harrison do that an off-duty LEO wouldn't have done, unless trained LEO possess the uncanny ability to read minds? I'd make sure the defendant counter-sues the perp's family for financial damages if they are prodded by the "community" into filing a civil case. Like "progressive" urban cities are discovering trying to prevent Second Amendment rights, let the rabble pay through the nose fighting a rear-guard action.
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The deceased and those who raised him bear complete and total responsibility. Sometimes I wish it was possible for the CCH holder to sue the parents of the dead robber for negligence in raising him and causing unnecessary expense and emotional pain and suffering.
I'm not sure we can call this much of a debate. The only person I see that had a problem is brain dead and can't see the obvious. Claims that they will sue and pursue other legal remedies are all talk. Shootings don't get much more clear cut than this one.
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The perp deserved by any reasonable standard to be shot.
I don't have one atomic particle of sympathy for him or his family.
He hung out with bad people and did stupid things that endangered the lives of innocent people. And paid a high price.
Oh well ...
I don't have one atomic particle of sympathy for him or his family.
He hung out with bad people and did stupid things that endangered the lives of innocent people. And paid a high price.
Oh well ...
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I wonder how long it will be before Al Sharpton and/or Jesse Jackson try to become involved in this.
They will both do their best to pocket some $$ from their dummy supporters.
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