[mdcepe]

I have some blue box Fiocchi 115 grain FMJ (the bullets are yellow-colored alloy and not copper externally) and I am experiencing malfunctions about 40% of the time in both of my previously ok all stock factory Gen 3 G26's that usually eat anything. Not sure of the "type" of malfunction, but it kicks the empty about half way out, and the next live round started into the chamber. Not a limp wristing issue, maybe either the ammo is weak or I have 2 G26's with simultaneous extraction/ejection issues. Similar experiences shared or advice appreciated.
Thanks
Tom

 

[Gearhounds]

It certainly sounds like the ammo is the problem. Shoot some other stuff and see if it clears up. It seems implausible that 2 G26's would start acting up simultaneously for any other reason.

 

[silversport]

I stopped using Fiocchi some time ago because of quality control...they used to be at least 'round here, a very nice alternative for good practice ammunition...but I have read and experienced (admittedly quite a while ago) too many issues with it to keep buying it...

I've had much better luck with standard velocity 124GR practice ammunition in 9mm than 115...good luck with your issue...

Bill

 

[ithaca_deerslayer]

You say it is not a limp wristing issue, but that is what it sounds like to me.

Limp wrist is most evident with lower power ammo, which what I suspect you have here. If it was braced better, the recoil would likely clear the empties so the next round would feed.

That's my internet diagnosis

Also, if your gun isn't very broken in, it is possible the recoil spring will lighten up over time making the slide work faster backwards, helping to clear the empty out of the slide. But I suspect a better hold (without the limp wrist) could accomplish the same thing.

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[Fastphil]

124 grain fmj or hp speer,american eagle,never a problem.............

 

[Raiser6]

Same exact issue here with 26 gen 4. Not as often but enough for me to stop using them. When the rounds did eject it was so weak that it would eject about 3 inches straight into the air and land on my forearms (not even enough power for BTF).

 

[Made in Austria]

Bought 500 rounds of Fiocchi 115 grain a few weeks ago from Midwayusa. BTW, Fiocchi has excellent reviews there. I already fired all of them through my G19 gen4, I didn't notice anything unusual about the Fiocchi. They seem to be on par with American Eagle which I shoot a lot.

I'd try a different ammo brand to see how the gun does with that. Maybe you really caught a bad batch of Fiocchi's. I don't believe that limp wristing is your problem. Limp wristing is very often used by the fanboys as an excuse for a Glock which doesn't work properly. A good Glock can be fired with only a few fingers without malfunctioning, even brand new ones. A combat handgun which requires good grip and stance is no combat handgun. It's junk, and only good to take to the range a couple times a year on a Sunday or something.

 

[Pred8tory]

I can't speak for 9mm Fiocchi, but I have found them to be non-standard in overall length in .380 acp. This caused malfunctions in some of my pistols that have NEVER jammed before. I'd compare them side by side with other brands for length.

 

[fastbolt]

Rather than agonize over it, why not just follow the standard recommendation heard from different firearm manufacturers in armorer classes (including Glock)? If one brand/type of ammunition doesn't work as desired in the guns, try/use something else.

FWIW, I won't use some of the different imported ammunition in my own pistols.

 

[ithaca_deerslayer]

A combat handgun which requires good grip and stance is no combat handgun.

That is the basic problem with semi-autos.

There are least 3 variables.

1 the gun
2 ourselves and how we shoot
3 the ammo

You can change any or all three


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[blackxpress]

I haven't tried that ammo in my G26 but did have the same problems with it in a Taurus PT709. Yeah, I know it's a Taurus but it never had any trouble with any other ammo. I also had the same kind of trouble with Fiocchi 165 grain FMJ in my M&P 40. Again, no problems with any other ammo, including Winchester white box. Everybody I've talked to swears by Fiocchi but personally I think it sucks.

 

[LuvDog]

I've never had any issues with that ammo, but like others have said, try something new.

 

[Bruce M]

I've never had any issues with that ammo, but like others have said, try something new.

Same here - no issues but first thing would be to try some other brand.

 

[Tiro Fijo]

...FWIW, I won't use some of the different imported ammunition in my own pistols.

Focchi, "imported" all the way from Springfield, MO where it's made. :supergrin:

I clocked some of this very same ammo last year at a solid 1,200 fps in a G19. Perhaps with all the rush in the last 10 months a bad batch slipped out. The OP would have to chrono it to be sure.

 

[tango44]

Terrible ammo! Just change it.

 

[Merkavaboy]

Sounds like your "stove pipe" malfunction is caused by a combination of a stiff/strong recoil spring and low impulse ammo?

 

[Cirdan]

I've shot Fiocchi through my G26 (Gen 3) without any problems. Mine were copper coated though, don't know what the "yellow" coating is.

 

[Valmet]

I've fired thousands of rounds of Fiocchi thru my 17, 19, and 26 and have never experienced any issues. As others here have suggested switch up the brand and see if you get varied results.

 

[125K9]

Since you already have many recommendations I'll just relay something that my department had go wrong as we ATTEMPTED to qualify several years ago. I can't remember the exact date, but it was prior to that "ole thang" laying siege to the Presidency. A desk jockey had gotten this "great deal" on a couple of pallets' worth of Fiocchi ammo, in various law enforcement calibers. (9mm, 40, 45) None of the rounds worked. From the start, lines and lines of officers' pistols malfunctioned. As one of the departmental armorers, I can attest that things were a mess and going down hill fast. It got so bad that one of our Captains had to go to our local Walmart and buy almost everything that they had in stock relating to our needed calibers. After that, things progressed as normal. When I retired 3-4 years after that I noticed that the Fiocchi ammo was still lying in our storage room.
I'm not saying that the ammo is at fault with your pistols, although I think in all probability it is, I'm just relaying what happened to my department. I hate that as Fiocchi once was a fine ammo. Good luck man, I hope you get to the end of your problems.

 

[fastbolt]

Focchi, "imported" all the way from Springfield, MO where it's made. :supergrin:

I clocked some of this very same ammo last year at a solid 1,200 fps in a G19. Perhaps with all the rush in the last 10 months a bad batch slipped out. The OP would have to chrono it to be sure.

I know they built a US plant in the 80's, but I thought they still imported some ammo lines?
http://www.ammorecall.com/fiocchi-9mm/

I'm all for supporting companies producing products & goods in America, employing American workers, even if headquartered overseas, but for ammunition I tend to stay with the big names who see a lot of American LE/Gov sales. Doesn't mean periodic problems don't occur & slip through, of course, resulting in recalls. Seen that enough times.

Does Fiocchi do much in the way of LE/Gov ammo sales? I don't mean it being the cheapest budget ammo somebody found locally when they needed to save money for training/practice/quals, but for everyday duty ammo. I can't say I've ever personally spoken with another cop, instructor or armorer who mentioned using it for regular duty/service ammo.

Considering the significant factors generally influencing semiauto pistol operation on any given day are the shooter, the ammo & the gun, it's easiest to try different ammo for any particular shooter/gun combination. Naturally, if the same ammo worked in the same gun in the hands of another shooter, then some emphasis on the shooter's grip/skillset might be beneficial, too.