The Glockworx Fulcrum (or a similar unit made by Glock) is the trigger that should come with the Glock. The trigger shoe is flat and the trigger safety sits flush with the face when depressed instead of sticking up. There are no nubs on the trigger safety to snag, and it is wider. The trigger bar is properly polished. Remember, the "adjustments" on the trigger itself are limited to pre-travel and over-travel . . . and you can't eliminate much pre-travel before starting to jeopardize the FP safety (and maybe drop-safety).

If you buy the full kit, I'd suggest installing the parts one at a time to see how each one changes things. Remember, if you install a 4.0# striker spring along with a 6.0# trigger spring, that combination may be unable to reset the trigger fully forward and engage the trigger safety. If so, the alternative is not to abandon the concept, just get a package of springs from Wolff that gives you a 4.0, 4.5, and 5.0 reduced power striker springs and find the one you need.

I haven't tried the stainless model, but may down the road. As for price, it is worth it to me. I'd rather have a few guns optimized for my needs than 25 guns that aren't quite the way I'd like. It all depends on your priorities.

 

The Glockworx Fulcrum (or a similar unit made by Glock) is the trigger that should come with the Glock. The trigger shoe is flat and the trigger safety sits flush with the face when depressed instead of sticking up. There are no nubs on the trigger safety to snag, and it is wider. The trigger bar is properly polished. Remember, the "adjustments" on the trigger itself are limited to pre-travel and over-travel . . . and you can't eliminate much pre-travel before starting to jeopardize the FP safety (and maybe drop-safety).

If you buy the full kit, I'd suggest installing the parts one at a time to see how each one changes things. Remember, if you install a 4.0# striker spring along with a 6.0# trigger spring, that combination may be unable to reset the trigger fully forward and engage the trigger safety. If so, the alternative is not to abandon the concept, just get a package of springs from Wolff that gives you a 4.0, 4.5, and 5.0 reduced power striker springs and find the one you need.

I haven't tried the stainless model, but may down the road. As for price, it is worth it to me. I'd rather have a few guns optimized for my needs than 25 guns that aren't quite the way I'd like. It all depends on your priorities.

This. I'm very fond of the fulcrum triggers.

 

I have one G22 modified with this Vanek Classic Trigger (http://www.vanekcustom.com/3.html)
It was relatively inexpensive in comparison to the ZEV Tech Fulcrum but Vanek does have more expensive (all drop in) models. The product is excellent, trigger process improved greatly and the manufacturing quality looks and feels to be superior.
I also use on the rest of my Glocks the Ghost Evo Elite (before availability, used the Rocket) connector kit with modified spring kit. I find that, for the cost, it gives the best bang for the buck.

Take care

 

I have one of the Vanek models, but it is the GSSF legal kit, it doesn't have all the "bells and whistles" of his more expensive models with adjustments and stuff.

For my non-GSSF guns, I use a Ghost Rocket kit (with springs) and *that* trigger is every bit as good as the Vanek one for 1/4 the money (although not gssf legal).

I don't mind the long pre-travel, I only experience that once per "string", but I really like the short overtravel from the Ghost Rocket.

 

"Ron59" - "...long pre-travel" I wrote this review (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1473586) and didn't address the pre-travel with the new Evo Elite 3.5. There is very little if the tab grinding is meticulously completed. I will be replacing the old Rocket Kits with the Evo Elite on all my Glocks. As you suggest, it is a great lower expense solution.
Take care.

 

"Ron59" - "...long pre-travel" I wrote this review (http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1473586) and didn't address the pre-travel with the new Evo Elite 3.5. There is very little if the tab grinding is meticulously completed. I will be replacing the old Rocket Kits with the Evo Elite on all my Glocks. As you suggest, it is a great lower expense solution.
Take care.

I didn't know they had that new product, I may have to get/try one, sounds cool. But.... I think I'm confused by your post. You quoted my statement about long pre-travel, and then mention this product? You can't change pre-travel with just a connector.

pre-travel is defined as the distance on the FIRST trigger pull.... not when you're using reset.

The tab shortens overtravel (the distance from "the break" to where the trigger stops, which means a short distance (when released) back to reset, and then a short distance to fire again. However, it has nothing to do with that first, long pull.

Some of the more expensive kits DO reduce pre-travel. They often drill a hole in the trigger housing and use a set screw, that when adjusted properly will remove much of that long pre-travel. At least, that's how the more expensive Vanek does it (I don't have one of those). But *just* a connector? Can't do it.

On well-tuned 1911's, there's practically no pre-travel. You're up against the break almost instantly, just have to squeeze past it to fire. On Glocks, the pre-travel is LOONG, maybe 3/4"? More?

 

I still haven't found anything on the stock gun that needs fixing. Does this item make the gun more accurate? How do you feel it improves the weapon?

 

been using the vanek clasic in my g17. It is head and shoulders above the ghost rocket and other DIY modifications. It's lighter, shorter over travel (set screw in housing) shorter pre travel, and more crisp than other DIY typ modification I have tried (connectors and springs). Vanek uses a 3.5 LWDin the clasic. I don't like 3.5 connectors. Sure they are the fastest way to lower the pull wieght. But they always seem to come with that tell tale creep right before the break. Vanek somehow removed most of that but it's still there. But this is in an old 2 pinned g17 ( which can have slightly looser tolerances) ......... So take that for what it's worth. I have always wondered how the fulcrum did in regard to tho the break. Does fulcrum use a 3.5 conector as well? How is the break on the fulcrum...... Any tell tale "mush" of a 3.5 conector?

 

I use a Guardian drop in kit from Glocktriggers.com. Its not adjustable. The Guardian is made for carry, not competition Glocks.

 

I use a Guardian drop in kit from Glocktriggers.com. Its not adjustable. The Guardian is made for carry, not competition Glocks.

How is it compared to other trigger kits?

 

I still haven't found anything on the stock gun that needs fixing. Does this item make the gun more accurate? How do you feel it improves the weapon?

Because yep.... the first thing a guy does with a well tuned 1911 is run out and install a gritty 5+ pound trigger in it.

A "lighter" trigger means that during the trigger press there will be less tendency to accidentally "pull" the gun left or right and therefore be less accurate.

*Especially* when you're shooting a double tap on that 25 yard target at speed.

Do I need "help" for combat accuracy or a CCW gun? No. Do I want it when shooting long strings (ie 6-10 shots), potentially at 25 yard (or FURTHER) targets? Oh hell yeah.

Brian Enos' book on competition shooting is considered the bible when it comes to guns and competition shooting. He definitely covers equipment and triggers as well. What does he say? "Keep it stock"? "Install a heavy ass gritty trigger with long pretravel and overtravel"? Errrmmm, no, he advises to get as light and as short a trigger as possible.

You "keep it stock" bozos really irk me.

 

Man I really hope this thread sticks to discussing various trigger kits and does NOT turn into the way too common...... Shouldnt or should mess with stock trigger BS thread. You know, the kind we have waaaay too many of already.

 

Man I really hope this thread sticks to discussing various trigger kits and does NOT turn into the way too common...... Shouldnt or should mess with stock trigger BS thread. You know, the kind we have waaaay too many of already.

You know.... that's just it. I practically never see a "I keep it stock" thread where people who choose to do trigger mods stomp in and say bah humbug.

But pretty much anytime somebody asks about a trigger mod, all of those clowns sure stick their nose in. And I betcha 95% of 'em can't shoot worth a lick anyway.

 

"pre-travel is defined as the distance on the FIRST trigger pull.... not when you're using reset."
Correct. And I've not had a stock Glock trigger for a long long time and so I am at fault in believing that the Evo Elite "seems" to shorten the pre-travel (an aside, I do know from measuring that the Evo Elite pre-travel is shorter than the Vanek Basic Custom trigger at $125 or so).
Below are two photos. The first is the pre-travel and it hits the 'wall' at about 1/4 inch (as, a bit blurry, you can see). The second is from that wall to the FP release, very short. And 'reset' IS nearly identical.

Aftermarket triggers that are smoother, lighter contribute to a 'reduced' time of muscular exertion on the whole gun. This helps eliminate a 'push', 'pull', 'dip' or 'lift' from that slight muscle exertion.

As mentioned most competitive shooters use an improved aftermarket trigger on their Glock (and probably on all competitive guns). Mine is used for defensive carry as well so it is not "too" light but it does have a much reduced overall trigger pull that helps reduce the 'period' during which one can mess up. Kind of similar to some competitive rifle shooters lighting the firing pin for reduced inertia/momentum and thus eliminating some transfer of momentum to the rifle itself... Tubbs talks about it as reducing lock time on his site.

So I noted that I was much more accurate at 25-30 yards at faster times than I had been which seems to support the overall notion. At least I believe it does.

I've friends who will not touch their stock Glocks. I have not one issue with that but I also always beat them at the range. The ask for my so called "secrets", well of course training and training but perfecting the platform (both physiologically and practically) cannot hurt.

Take care.

 

no one has any more trigger kits to report on or compare?

 

How is it compared to other trigger kits?

I can't answer that from experience. All I can say is that it's perfect for a carry Glock. There are better competition trigger kits. If you could do the perfect trigger job for a carry Glock with a buttery smooth takeup and a crisp 4.5 lb break, well that's the Guardian kit. It's drop in, so you don't have to worry about a DIY trigger job just to find you have light strikes or other issues.

http://www.glocktriggers.com/products/guardian/

 

Came across this link (http://www.uckfup.dk/content/view/13/14/) in looking about for folks who modified their own G system/trigger. Believe the author indicates he got his trigger down to a tad below 2#s. Provides a lot of instruction and photos but of course he really did some radical work on his Glock 34. Shows specifically how to bring the trigger down well below what we've been discussing.

Take care.

 

I can't answer that from experience. All I can say is that it's perfect for a carry Glock. There are better competition trigger kits. If you could do the perfect trigger job for a carry Glock with a buttery smooth takeup and a crisp 4.5 lb break, well that's the Guardian kit. It's drop in, so you don't have to worry about a DIY trigger job just to find you have light strikes or other issues.

http://www.glocktriggers.com/products/guardian/

Glocktriggers.com has awesome products. They have different triggers depending on what you're trying to accomplish. I have a trigger from them and it is a thing of beauty. I also have other friends who use them for competition triggers. I use my for carry purposes but could easily use the same weapon for competition with the ability to adjust the trigger as needed.

 

Use what you like. I don't find it necessary. Even for a "double tap on that 25 yard target at speed". If I had encountered a problem with a properly lubricated stock unit, I wouldn't hesitate to address it. But if calling someone who can shoot fast and well without the need for aftermarket "fixes" a bozo is the order of the day, tell grandma to hurry up with those pizza rolls, the king of the basement is hungry. I have yet to encounter a glock out of the box that I needed to modify to shoot fast and well. Just because I don't find them beneficial doesn't mean aftermarket gadgets are bad. Good luck whatever you use!

Because yep.... the first thing a guy does with a well tuned 1911 is run out and install a gritty 5+ pound trigger in it.

A "lighter" trigger means that during the trigger press there will be less tendency to accidentally "pull" the gun left or right and therefore be less accurate.

*Especially* when you're shooting a double tap on that 25 yard target at speed.

Do I need "help" for combat accuracy or a CCW gun? No. Do I want it when shooting long strings (ie 6-10 shots), potentially at 25 yard (or FURTHER) targets? Oh hell yeah.

Brian Enos' book on competition shooting is considered the bible when it comes to guns and competition shooting. He definitely covers equipment and triggers as well. What does he say? "Keep it stock"? "Install a heavy ass gritty trigger with long pretravel and overtravel"? Errrmmm, no, he advises to get as light and as short a trigger as possible.

You "keep it stock" bozos really irk me.

 

Use what you like. I don't find it necessary. Even for a "double tap on that 25 yard target at speed". If I had encountered a problem with a properly lubricated stock unit, I wouldn't hesitate to address it. But if calling someone who can shoot fast and well without the need for aftermarket "fixes" a bozo is the order of the day, tell grandma to hurry up with those pizza rolls, the king of the basement is hungry. I have yet to encounter a glock out of the box that I needed to modify to shoot fast and well. Just because I don't find them beneficial doesn't mean aftermarket gadgets are bad. Good luck whatever you use!

You'd be one the few exceptions then.

Hey, I know some guys who do well with stock triggers, I know a couple of the GSSF Masters who do that.

But as I said before.... you won't see someone with a finely tuned 1911 say, "Let me take my 2 pound, zero pre-travel with minimal over travel trigger system out and install a ****ty 5 pound plug trigger with long pre-travel and over travel". Why? Because the advantage is the lighter/easier trigger.

Now, I never said it's impossible to do well with a stock Glock trigger, but it HAS to be harder to master than a trigger that's not setup that way. My point is, why live with that when there are options.

But I betcha 95% of the "keep it stock" bozos can't shoot worth crap, and probably have never tested themselves in competition or anything. They just go to the range and make holes at 7-10 yards and think because they get a good group at that distance, while shooting slow, that they're a good shooter. Ummmm, hardly.

I took a new shooting buddy to my indoor range (he was new to me, not shooting). We were shooting slow groups at 7 yards at a quarter sized target. He had a stock trigger and had a group that was 3" at least. I let him shoot my gun with Ghost Rocket kit installed? He IMMEDIATELY dropped his group to 1". His mouth dropped.

That's not to say that a trigger job will make you a better shooter with no practice. Especially when you start adding distance and speed. But it's a helluva lot easier, and why not.

 

Well put. You can't buy skill, but millions are made from those that try.

Use what you like. I don't find it necessary. Even for a "double tap on that 25 yard target at speed". If I had encountered a problem with a properly lubricated stock unit, I wouldn't hesitate to address it. But if calling someone who can shoot fast and well without the need for aftermarket "fixes" a bozo is the order of the day, tell grandma to hurry up with those pizza rolls, the king of the basement is hungry. I have yet to encounter a glock out of the box that I needed to modify to shoot fast and well. Just because I don't find them beneficial doesn't mean aftermarket gadgets are bad. Good luck whatever you use!

 

I started using a handgun in 1962. I owned primarily revolvers until I bought a Belgium HP and I sure liked that pistol. I never did 'anything' to any of them and, with the revolver, scored consistent 300s day or night in the old PPC standards.

Move to '90. Bought my first Glock, G22 Gen2 and sure liked it but at that exact juncture was not shooting a great deal. Over the years I bought a few more and some long guns, so forth.

I still own the 1st G22 and my gun book says I've got well over 100K thru it... new barrel, stock G, the trigger bar snapped at the cruciform, replaced it. But I started trying to improve the trigger primarily because of a 'Glock bump' on my strong hand middle finger. Gripping the Glock has rubbed a nice boney bump and it hurts. So I found myself 'not' gripping as tight and wearing a glove more often. So I decided to start smoothing out the trigger and lightening it a bit.

I discovered that it was easier to shoot rapidly and accurately than before I did these few modifications. Shooting on the move was significantly aided as was long shots where any barrel deflection could create a 6" miss out at 30 or 40 yards.

But I have never found a Glock that won't shoot reliably and within acceptable limits out of the box. All mine did. All the aftermarket stuff is a personal decision but it appears to be true that professional competition shooters like to modify their triggers and I suggest they have reasons. Besides just spending money and gaining a sponsor.

Take care.

 

. All the aftermarket stuff is a personal decision but it appears to be true that professional competition shooters like to modify their triggers and I suggest they have reasons. Besides just spending money and gaining a sponsor.

True.

Let's take a look at this.
When Dave Sevigny shot a Glock, HE modded his trigger:
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/exclusives/dave-sevigny-interview-faq/

Bob Vogel? Probably the best Glock shooter ever? Guess what, he has a trigger system NAMED after him:
http://www.glocktriggers.com/products/vogel/

Now, could either of those guys still do pretty well with a stock trigger? Probably. But the fact that they make a LIVING off how well they shoot and they choose to make mods tells me quite a bit.

Make up your own mind, it's pretty simple from where I'm sitting.

 

Man I really hope this thread sticks to discussing various trigger kits and does NOT turn into the way too common...... Shouldnt or should mess with stock trigger BS thread. You know, the kind we have waaaay too many of already.

looks like my hopes for this thread were waaaay too high.

 

One of the nice things about Glock pistols is that it's cheap and easy to work on the triggers. Very few USPSA Production shooters leave their triggers completely alone.

Learning how to develop your trigger for enhanced performance is not going to have a negative effect on your ability to shoot with an unmodified trigger. On the contrary, it improved my ability to use a stock trigger.

If you don’t want to mess with your trigger, then don’t.

If you can shoot 2 inch groups off-hand at 20 yards with a modified Glock trigger, you can probably do the same thing with any stock Glock. That’s not really why people do trigger work. When all the mechanical and movement nuances of match shooting come into play, and you start looking at real points and time results, you will see the value of trigger work.