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I fear that means that, although the Apex extractor is better than the Glock versions, it is still not right. It should eject without a magazine in place.

Excellent write ups that extend the knowledge base by the way.

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I think all Glocks eject through the mag well if the mag is removed from the gun. At least all of mine do/newer Glocks do.

This is because of the downward barrel tilt. The chamber tears the shell casing downward/off the breech face/extractor claw a bit, while the slide travels rearward with the empty casing. This happens only if the mag is removed. When the mag is in the gun, then the top round or the follower acts like a rail. The top round/follower makes sure that the shell casing stays centered on the breech face, so that the extractor claw can hold it properly, till it gets hit by the ejector.

I think older Glock's have less barrel tilt angle, so that the casing doesn't get pushed down/away from the breech and extractor claw too far.

I am pretty sure that Glock changed the barrel tilt angle on the .40 models. Older .40 Glocks have a less supported chamber in certain areas, which caused case failures from time to time, even with slightly overcharged powder loads.

The reason for a less unsupported chamber in the forty's was to increase feeding reliability. The round can be chambered in a more flat angle. Too steep chamberings are not good and can cause FTF under certain circumstances.

I think Glock fixed this problem with releasing guns which can tilt the barrel down farther, so the chambering angel of the round is a little more flatter, and the chamber can be machined more supportive.

Downside of more barrel tilt: possible erratic ejection patterns, if you don't redesign the extractor, and the magazine has to be in the gun to eject the casing properly. I think last is not really a downside for me.
 
I also experianced that a Glock can eject without an ejector, not very reliable but it works. It depends on the slide velocity and on the magazine. Without the ejector it will eject either, straight up, straight back, downrange, to the left, and to the right. It will eject almost everytime straight up if the mag spring is in good condition and is at lest half full. I call it, pure magazine ejections. Kind of like the ejection mechanism of a Remington 870 pump shotgun, where a ejector spring is mounted on the side which pushes/kicks the empty to the right and out of the ejection port, when you pump it back. The speed of your pump can change the angle of ejection.

The mag spring pushes the empty casing straight out of the ejection port if the slide velocity isn't too high. And in some cases it gets hit by the slide so that the casing starts bouncing around in the ejection port till it gets hit by some slide area and gets kicked in random directions. It can also stovepipe. The ejector plays no roll if the casing doesn't stay on its proper spot on the breech.
 
Randy Lee posted a video on m4carbine.net showing test firing with the gen 3 extractor. Ejection was perfect when holding the G17 with one hand (the left) and no magazine. Looks promising.

Someone asked about using an old non-LCI extractor. That is what fixed my Gen 3 Glock 19. That is, it made the ejection consistent and well off to the right -- ejection without a mag is about half the time. Using 30274 ejector although the ejection wasn't bad with the 336.
 
As a disclaimer I must say that the gun came with a non-dipped extractor, and before firing it the first time I put in a White Sound Defense 20% extra power extractor depressor plunger spring, and a homemade spring loaded bearing designed to tension said spring even more. In this configuration the gun wasn't a problem. It ejected everything from WWB to Gold Dots and 2 power levels of handloads reliably and in the right direction. It would not eject without the magazine in place.

So,you don't know how the gun ejected in the stock configuration?:dunno:
 
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So,you don't know how the gun ejected in the stock configuration?:dunno:
That is correct. Much as it may appear to the contrary, I am not interested in experimentation purely for its own sake. My goal is to have guns that work as well as possible. I was burned when I bought an early production Gen4 G19 a year or so ago. I never was able to make that one run reliably. In the meantime I have learned that certain things definitely help with Gen4 Glocks. More tension on the extractor is one of them. So I did not waste time and money proving that yet one more time.
 
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Engraving is deep and looks nicely done, however, I'd prefer it not be there. Installed pictures to come later in the week.
I would also prefer that the extractor not be engraved. I was thinking about ordering one but will probably wait now as I don't seem to have the problem that other are having with BTF.
 
As a disclaimer I must say that the gun came with a non-dipped extractor, and before firing it the first time I put in a White Sound Defense 20% extra power extractor depressor plunger spring, and a homemade spring loaded bearing designed to tension said spring even more. In this configuration the gun wasn't a problem. It ejected everything from WWB to Gold Dots and 2 power levels of handloads reliably and in the right direction. It would not eject without the magazine in place.

So,you don't know how the gun ejected in the stock configuration?:dunno:
Not to derail but after reading this post I quickly checked out white sound defense and found their stuff intriguing. How is their spring quality? Any reason to choose them over wolf or ismi?
 
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Not to derail but after reading this post I quickly checked out white sound defense and found their stuff intriguing. How is their spring quality? Any reason to choose them over wolf or ismi?
I never heard of ismi. I have used a number of Wolff springs over the years for several different applications and have never been disappointed. If they make a 20% extra power extractor depressor plunger spring, I'm sure it would be fine. I never even looked to see if they do, as people on this forum pointed me to White Sound Defense.

The spring that comes with the Apex unit is also extra power, but I have never seen a spec that says by how much.
 
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Different priorities I suppose. I never gave the desirability of engraving a second thought till just now. All else being equal I guess I could live without it, yes. But I don't really care. It's a quality part that works. That's all I thought about. I'll buy another one for the G17 when/if I win the availability lottery again.

As a matter of fact, I wouldn't buy or not buy anything Glock related on the basis of looks. Including, no, ESPECIALLY the gun itself! Not when I've got vintage Colts and Smith & Wessons in the safe.
 
If I'm going to pay $70 bucks for, of all things, a Glock extractor (10 to 15 percent of the cost of a new Glock!) then I want it to say something cool like, 'Apex' ;)
 
I think the engraving looks pretty sharp, besides, I know if they stamp their name on it they must have some confidence in it. (You have a vested interest in the outcome if you put your name on something)

Having said that you can keep that ugly dog they stamp on Lone Wolf barrels! Yuck!
 
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