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How the heck is this legal???

http://www.chicoer.com/news/ci_13831318

Student expelled for having unloaded shotguns in truck
By RYAN OLSON - Staff Writer
Posted: 11/20/2009 12:09:32 AM PST

WILLOWS -- The Willows Unified School District board of trustees has expelled a 16-year-old for having unloaded shotguns in his pickup parked just off the Willows High School campus.

The board voted 4-0 Thursday to expel junior Gary Tudesko after the weapons were discovered via scent-sniffing dogs on Oct. 26. Board Vice President Alex Parisio abstained from the discussion and vote because he is related to Tudesko's family.

Expulsion hearings are normally held in closed sessions, but affected students and their parents can request a public hearing.

Susan Parisio defended her son during the 105-minute public hearing at Willows Civic Center. She acknowledged that Tudesko was lazy for not storing the shotguns at home after a morning of bird hunting, but she questioned the district's ability to enforce its policies off Willows High School property.

"My son was not even parked on school property," Parisio said.

Willows High Principal Mort Geivett and other district officials did not appear to dispute that the parking space was off school property, but they cited several justifications. One of them was the legal doctrine of in loco parentis — where school officials may act in place of a parent for school functions.

Geivett said the school was responsible for students traveling to and from school as well as during lunch. He said he believed that students should not possess weapons within 1,000 feet of campus.

Geivett said he believed off-campus parking around the school was under the school's jurisdiction, in part because it is primarily used by students.

"I'm erring on the safe side of protecting staff and kids," he said.

The incident began on Oct. 26 when scent-sniffing dogs detected something in a pickup on the street north of the tennis courts on West Willow Street. A Willows police officer did a search of the license plate and traced the pickup to Tudesko.

Tudesko came out to the vehicle and said there were two shotguns and shells in the pickup. He opened his vehicle for a search, which revealed the guns on the rear seat as well as a knife with a 3-inch blade. The police held the weapons and the school suspended Tudesko for five days, which was later extended indefinitely until Thursday's hearing.

Geivett said the Education Code requires the school pursue expulsion, when a student is in possession of a firearm, knife or explosive without written permission from the school. He said he was concerned for the safety of students and staff.

"Gary should've known better than to come to campus with guns in his truck," Geivett said.

In addition to the Education Code, the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 bars possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of a school, but there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons.

Parisio said her son was raised in a family that has always owned guns.

"We have always, always stressed that safety is important," she said.

Parisio revisited the searches that uncovered the guns. She noted the canine search found two additional vehicles that resulted in the discovery of live ammunition.

Parisio compared the ammo to explosives — which is also covered by the mandatory expulsion law — and asked why there weren't expulsion hearings for those students.

In addition, one of the shotguns in Tudesko's pickup belonged to a friend who rode to school with Tudesko. Parisio asked why the school didn't punish this student as well.

"Selective enforcement in of itself is wrong," Parisio said.

Before the end of the session, Tudesko spoke briefly. He apologized for his actions and said he wanted to be on time for school. Tudesko said he believed it was all right to park on a public street with the unloaded weapons.

After the hearing, several school board members declined to comment on their decision.

Parisio said she will appeal the district's decision to the Glenn County Board of Education. If the decision is upheld and her son is sent to a continuation school, Parisio said she would likely home-school Tudesko.
 
In addition to the Education Code, the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 bars possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of a school, but there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons.
Here you go!
Is it stupid? Probably. Is it the law? Yup! I would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. If I found out that a school let it slide, I would pull my kids from the school. If you are going to bend the rule for this kid, you are going to bend it for the others as well.
 
I hope the kid ownes the school district after the lawsuit.
A lawsuit he will surely lose. If it is against the law, it is against the law. He was in the wrong 100% here. The law is very clear on not having guns within 1000 feet of campus. A responsible gun owner needs to know where it is legal and illegal to have loaded firearms. In this case, he was ignorant of the law (no excuse) and is now paying the price for it.
 
Here you go!
Is it stupid? Probably. Is it the law? Yup! I would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. If I found out that a school let it slide, I would pull my kids from the school. If you are going to bend the rule for this kid, you are going to bend it for the others as well.
If the guns were unloaded (according to the story they were) and locked up (no info regarding that), he was not in violation of the Gun Free School Zone Act.
 
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A lawsuit he will surely lose. If it is against the law, it is against the law. He was in the wrong 100% here. The law is very clear on not having guns within 1000 feet of campus. A responsible gun owner needs to know where it is legal and illegal to have loaded firearms. In this case, he was ignorant of the law (no excuse) and is now paying the price for it.
I'll have to look deeper, but I don't have the time right now - I did find this...

The act was challenged as unconstitutional and was struck down by the Supreme Court in April 1995 in United States v. Lopez (514 U.S. 549). The Supreme Court upheld state and local authority in the regulation of schools and ruled that Congress exceeded its power in passing the original act. In response to the Court's ruling, Congress approved a slightly revised version of the Gun-Free School Zones Act in 1996 (PL 104-208). The focus of the act was changed from possessing a firearm in a school zone to possessing a firearm "that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce" in a school zone.
 
A lawsuit he will surely lose. If it is against the law, it is against the law. He was in the wrong 100% here. The law is very clear on not having guns within 1000 feet of campus. A responsible gun owner needs to know where it is legal and illegal to have loaded firearms. In this case, he was ignorant of the law (no excuse) and is now paying the price for it.
You are in the wrong. Look at the law again.
 
I'll have to look deeper, but I don't have the time right now - I did find this...

The act was challenged as unconstitutional and was struck down by the Supreme Court in April 1995 in United States v. Lopez (514 U.S. 549). The Supreme Court upheld state and local authority in the regulation of schools and ruled that Congress exceeded its power in passing the original act. In response to the Court's ruling, Congress approved a slightly revised version of the Gun-Free School Zones Act in 1996 (PL 104-208). The focus of the act was changed from possessing a firearm in a school zone to possessing a firearm "that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce" in a school zone.
I am basing my comments off of the law referenced in the article. I would stand corrected if there was another law that allowed him to have possession of the guns.
 
If the guns were unloaded (according to the story they were) and locked up (no info regarding that), he was not in violation of the Gun Free School Zone Act.
I am not completely spun up on this law but as far as what is referenced in the article:
"the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995 bars possession of firearms within 1,000 feet of a school, but there are exceptions for private property and for lawful transportation of non-concealable weapons."

It doesn't state an exception for unloaded firearms. The story does not tell whether or not he was parked on private property either.
 
Here you go!
Is it stupid? Probably. Is it the law? Yup! I would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. If I found out that a school let it slide, I would pull my kids from the school. If you are going to bend the rule for this kid, you are going to bend it for the others as well.
Since when does a school enforce laws? The person in question was not arrested nor charged with a crime. The school is acting outside its authority and should be sued.

As far as being expelled for breaking the law, are you advocating that each student that gets a speeding ticket, etc. be expelled? Again, this young man has not been charged or convicted of anything.....
 
Since when does a school enforce laws? The person in question was not arrested nor charged with a crime. The school is acting outside its authority and should be sued.

As far as being expelled for breaking the law, are you advocating that each student that gets a speeding ticket, etc. be expelled? Again, this young man has not been charged or convicted of anything.....
It is the school's policy of automatic expulsion for the violation of this specific law. I didn't read anywhere that said a speeding ticket results in expulsion.
 
You are in the wrong. Look at the law again.
I looked at it. The 1995 and 96 version. I do not see where this kid is exempt from the law. Please enlighten me as I have looked over it a few times and just don't see it.
 
I'd have to go with "the school is wrong" crowd here. If he had parked on school grounds, then yeah, expel him. But he wasn't. His guns were unloaded(according to the article), and on private property(in his truck). No grounds here what so ever(going by the info in the article). If taken at face value, there would be several dozen families in my town that would not be able to own guns, because their house happens to be within a 1000 ft. of a school. Hell, I know of one house in particular that is a mere 10 feet from the parking lot of one of the schools in town. Does that mean they can't keep a gun in the house while living there? I would raise all manner of hell with that school board.
 
Here you go!
Is it stupid? Probably. Is it the law? Yup! I would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. If I found out that a school let it slide, I would pull my kids from the school. If you are going to bend the rule for this kid, you are going to bend it for the others as well.

Since when do schools enforce laws? The only thing that should matter is if it is against school rules. From the article it doesn't sound like they had a provision in the rules that dealt with firearms near school property, but they made one up.

"He said he believed that students should not possess weapons within 1,000 feet of campus." What this guy believes shouldn't matter, only what is in writing should matter. Otherwise they are just making it up as they go.
 
You are in the wrong. Look at the law again.
Here is a quick overview of the 96 law. I highlighted in red the ones that confirm my stance, based on the information provided in the story.

The law does not apply only if the firearm is:
  • On private property not part of the school grounds; or
  • Unloaded AND locked into a firearm rack or container; or
  • Used in a program approved by a school.
The law applies to all persons except if:
  • The individual is licensed by the state in which the school is located (e.g. a concealed handgun permit); or
  • The individual is a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
  • The individual is traversing the school premises with an unloaded firearm for the purpose of hunting and has permission from the school.
 
It is the school's policy of automatic expulsion for the violation of this specific law. I didn't read anywhere that said a speeding ticket results in expulsion.
Here you go!
Is it stupid? Probably. Is it the law? Yup! I would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. If I found out that a school let it slide, I would pull my kids from the school. If you are going to bend the rule for this kid, you are going to bend it for the others as well.
There is no law stating that a student with an unloaded firearm in his vehicle off of school campus was a reason for expulsion either. You stated above you would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. I'm just trying to find out far you want the schools authority to reach...

The schools doesn't have a policy to expel someone for violating this law. They have their own rules and will expel someone for bringing weapons onto their campus. This boy did none of that.
 
There is no law stating that a student with an unloaded firearm in his vehicle off of school campus was a reason for expulsion either. You stated above you would expect anyone who disobeys this law to be expelled. I'm just trying to find out far you want the schools authority to reach...

The schools doesn't have a policy to expel someone for violating this law. They have their own rules and will expel someone for bringing weapons onto their campus. This boy did none of that.
Ahhh I see what you are saying. My stance on this stays the same though. I would imagine that the school policy mirrors that of the law, although I couldn't say for sure. When it comes to guns and school, they have to be very careful. If this was a school my kid went to, I would be disappointed if the school didn't pursue the case.
I do see what you are saying though. :cool:
 
Since when do schools enforce laws? The only thing that should matter is if it is against school rules. From the article it doesn't sound like they had a provision in the rules that dealt with firearms near school property, but they made one up.

"He said he believed that students should not possess weapons within 1,000 feet of campus." What this guy believes shouldn't matter, only what is in writing should matter. Otherwise they are just making it up as they go.
I wouldn't be surprised if in the schools laws/rules/whatever say, "No firearms within 1000 feet of school grounds"
When I was in High School, my rule book had it in there.
 
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