[unit1069]

I have been intrigued with .327 Magnum since I first read about the caliber. It certainly reads on paper to be a very viable self-defense round for anyone who chooses to rely on a revolver for personal protection.

Since .357sig was designed to duplicate the large case .357 Magnum capacity's I instinctively think this possible caliber would find a devoted niche following. With today's modern technology and political climate maybe some big firearms conglomerates will decide to roll the dice and create the .327sig.

All opinions welcome.

 

[29568]

An interesting thought.

One of my favorite carry guns is a J-frame six shot in .32 magnum. It's small, light, manageable, and packs a punch. And it has one more in the cylinder than a .38 special in the same size.

I think the problem with a .327 auto loader would be acceptance due to the size necessary to contain the round and the cost of ammunition. (If I didn't reload .32 magnum, I couldn't afford to shoot it.)

With the price guns bring down the drain right now, I think it may be awhile before a reputable manufacturer considers taking the plunge and giving it a try.

 

[TheDreadnought]

I have been intrigued with .327 Magnum since I first read about the caliber. It certainly reads on paper to be a very viable self-defense round for anyone who chooses to rely on a revolver for personal protection.

Since .357sig was designed to duplicate the large case .357 Magnum capacity's I instinctively think this possible caliber would find a devoted niche following. With today's modern technology and political climate maybe some big firearms conglomerates will decide to roll the dice and create the .327sig.

All opinions welcome.

When it comes to self defense, why would you pick something unusual, instead of something in widespread use with a long track record of effectiveness?

If your life is on the line, that's not the time to screw around.

If you want to buy one just for fun... why not?

 

[papershoot]

I don't own a .327 Federal magnum, but reload some for my brother. The cartridge is still hard to find locally and pricey online. Henry is releasing the Big Boy lever action in 327 Federal. I don't think they have shipped yet, but that should make some people happy. It looked like the this caliber was going away a few years ago, until Ruger added some new options. To me, the caliber is too snappy for accuracy in the LCR, but better in the SP101.

 

[fastbolt]

The .357SIG capitalized on the well documented reputation and "service record" of the middleweight .357 Magnum cartridge. In other words, it was offered as a modern alternative to a proven service/duty defensive caliber, which could be chambered in a semiauto pistol.

A ".327FED" or maybe ".327RUG", would be attempting to ride the coattails of the .327 Federal Magnum, which has no established defensive "service record" and has more or less just barely hung on as a niche caliber for revolver enthusiasts. How many of those enthusiasts are handloaders, too?

On top of that, unless you were planning to chamber the existing revolver cartridge in something as large (magazine & grip size) as a Grizzly, it would require some R&D to create a different case for the ".327's" bullet. Probably require a different bullet designed to feed in pistols, too. How many gun and ammo companies are going to line up for that write-off?

How many companies thought a .32 H&R Mag was the basis for a new semiauto pistol?

If Ruger and Federal thought there was any chance of the caliber becoming popular with semiauto pistol shooters, it might not have been created as a revolver cartridge, in the first place.

I think this caliber might get some more market interest as a handy Single Action revolver & carbine "trail" cartridge, being similar to the older 32-20 of yesteryear.

Why ruin it by trying to stuff it into a semiauto pistol?

 

[cowboy1964]

I don't see the point.

I had high hopes for the .327 Magnum but it's been a commercial flop.

 

[unit1069]

I don't see the point.

I had high hopes for the .327 Magnum but it's been a commercial flop.

I really haven't read any negative comments about the .327 Magnum's personal self-defense capabilities. What information I've read indicates the caliber is very much overlooked as a viable threat stopper, arguably (on paper) more formidable than either 9mm, .38 Special, and other popular self-defense calibers.

It hits fast and hard, performs as expected with the quality JHP ammos, and can get the job of personal protection done. My original question: Would a .327sig caliber be a worthy personal self-defense option that the growing Second Amendment universe would accept as a viable choice?

I definitely believe the .327sig is a great option just waiting to be created in a semi-automatic design, with the .327 Magnum already configured to be a fine self-defense caliber for those who like revolvers.

 

[Glolt20-91]

The 327Fed with 115gr Gold Dots tests out pretty good. From a 2.5" barrel, I was getting ~1380fps and bullet expansion was over 0.5xx". The 115gr bullet has about the same sectional density as the 357cal/140gr bullet, this puts it in the 10mm/180 and 45/230 SD category.

I prefer the 327Fed to the 38 Special loaded with 135gr Gold Dot short barrel, +P.

Already a high pressure, long OAL cartridge, I don't see it being applied as a pistol offering. If you want to go fast and small, the 7.62x25mm Tokarev w/86gr JHPs should be effective, if you can find a JHP that'll hold together at the Tok's uber fast MVs.

 

[Darkangel1846]

Well watching people handle a high powered snubnose is always eye opening. The problem seems to be practice. Those snubnose in magnum really over rotate your wrist so people tend to not practice with that heavy round, especially women. So they practice with a real light round so it doesn't hurt your wrist so much, there lay the problem. Practice with what you carry. Now I would rather carry a .44 special in a 3 inch barrel, big bullet, big boom, not as hard on your wrist, but still a good defense handgun. JMHO!

 

[Railsplitter]

I have been intrigued with .327 Magnum since I first read about the caliber. It certainly reads on paper to be a very viable self-defense round for anyone who chooses to rely on a revolver for personal protection.

Since .357sig was designed to duplicate the large case .357 Magnum capacity's I instinctively think this possible caliber would find a devoted niche following. With today's modern technology and political climate maybe some big firearms conglomerates will decide to roll the dice and create the .327sig.

All opinions welcome.

The .32 caliber auto without a doubt has the potential to the best small gun SD caliber there is. Better than the .380 and more practical than 9 mm in smallish pocket sized guns, that being anything smaller than a baby Glock. ALL ... that would be needed is a case lengthened enough to hold more powder to give it the same or more power than a .380. This would do two things, one it would allow the .32 to shoot a bullet with equal weight to the .380 but with a smaller caliber it would have much better sectional density meaning much better penetration which is a major weakness of the .380. Two the .32 being a smaller diameter round would mean the problem of limited capacity would be solved with a DOUBLE STACK magazine almost doubling the guns capacity and still be a slim gun. Add to this the lower recoil the .32 would have compared to the 9 mm when shot from same size smaller guns which would appeal to women and you have a winner.

 

[AGF0526]

this thread reminds me of semi auto dream round its a 25 mm long case has the same rim as the 9x19 and is bottlenecked and can fire an 86 grain 30 cal bullet at approx 1600 fps from a four inch barrel , if someone would just invent that caliber.

 

[Railsplitter]

this thread reminds me of semi auto dream round its a 25 mm long case has the same rim as the 9x19 and is bottlenecked and can fire an 86 grain 30 cal bullet at approx 1600 fps from a four inch barrel , if someone would just invent that caliber.

Yes that would be impractical but a case lengthened .32 is no more impractical than the 38 Super which was case lengthened longer the 9mm. A lengthened case is nothing new and an improved .32 caliber auto round is way past due!

 

[SDGlock23]

I would have no issues with such a round, but of course we have to wonder if there's any real need for it. Will any major LE agencies adopt it? Since it probably wouldn't be as affordable as other options, it would have to offer a lot in order to sell big. Does it offer anything that doesn't currently exist?

I'm sure capacity could be good and recoil wouldn't be bad in standard sized duty weapons. What would the parent case be? I guess the parent case could be a 9x19, as a 9mm +P+ can run a 115gr to around 1300 fps, which is typical 327 Fed Mag ballistics, but a smaller 115gr would protrude deeper into the case killing powder capacity. At that point, something like a bottlenecked 327 wouldn't really have any big selling points since those ballistics are already covered by 9mm and capacity wouldn't be any better if it was based on a 9x19 case.

The 115gr 327 would out penetrate a 9mm 115gr to some degree, but as a whole it does seem like there's not much to choose from in terms of bullets currently, but that could grow if it got popular. I think on the biggest attractions of the 32 calibers in small revolvers was in large part the extra round in the cylinder, but I'm not sure any such advantage exists in semi autos.

 

[Railsplitter]

I would have no issues with such a round, but of course we have to wonder if there's any real need for it. Will any major LE agencies adopt it? Since it probably wouldn't be as affordable as other options, it would have to offer a lot in order to sell big. Does it offer anything that doesn't currently exist?

I'm sure capacity could be good and recoil wouldn't be bad in standard sized duty weapons. What would the parent case be? I guess the parent case could be a 9x19, as a 9mm +P+ can run a 115gr to around 1300 fps, which is typical 327 Fed Mag ballistics, but a smaller 115gr would protrude deeper into the case killing powder capacity. At that point, something like a bottlenecked 327 wouldn't really have any big selling points since those ballistics are already covered by 9mm and capacity wouldn't be any better if it was based on a 9x19 case.

The 115gr 327 would out penetrate a 9mm 115gr to some degree, but as a whole it does seem like there's not much to choose from in terms of bullets currently, but that could grow if it got popular. I think on the biggest attractions of the 32 calibers in small revolvers was in large part the extra round in the cylinder, but I'm not sure any such advantage exists in semi autos.

A longer straight case would be the answer and would allow for greater capacity. See post #10

 

[ss30378]

I'd actually like to see a sig necked down to a 32 and run through a long slide with a 6ish" barrel. 60-115gr bullets, low recoil and impressive velocities would make for a fun hunting round up to coyote and small deer sized critters.

Hmm custom dies and necking down to a .32 shouldn't be an issue, make some dummy rounds then get a custom reamer built. A 1.25" 32 cal barrel blank could be machined to fit a g20. Just takes $ right?

Realguns necked the sig down to a .17 and got 3300fps from a 20gr bullet in a 10" contender so a 32 cal sig should be easily possible.

 

[AGF0526]

my post was sarcasm I was describing the 7.62x25mm round which was originally invented in 1896 , i highly recommend the book cartridges of the world to all who posted in this thread because almost everything you are describing has already been done .

 

[Railsplitter]

I'd actually like to see a sig necked down to a 32 and run through a long slide with a 6ish" barrel. 60-115gr bullets, low recoil and impressive velocities would make for a fun hunting round up to coyote and small deer sized critters.

Hmm custom dies and necking down to a .32 shouldn't be an issue, make some dummy rounds then get a custom reamer built. A 1.25" 32 cal barrel blank could be machined to fit a g20. Just takes $ right?

Realguns necked the sig down to a .17 and got 3300fps from a 20gr bullet in a 10" contender so a 32 cal sig should be easily possible.

So we could have the round you describe that being a case necked down to a .32 caliber bullet for use in larger framed guns that would be excellent for small game due to its power, velocity and range AND be a fun shooter. These are qualities no other handgun caliber can match as well as the .32. Also a .32 caliber auto round with just a straight lengthened case would as I have described be a superior SD round for smaller guns in the LCP, G43 size class guns. The .32 caliber has lots untapped potential that is plain to see.

 

[ChiefWPD]

AGF0526, the 7.63mm round (7.63x25mm) is a formidable cartridge. The advantage the .357 Sig has is in the shorter case length (just under 22mm). More handguns out there now are suitable to the newer round's dimensions.

 

[Railsplitter]

my post was sarcasm I was describing the 7.62x25mm round which was originally invented in 1896 , i highly recommend the book cartridges of the world to all who posted in this thread because almost everything you are describing has already been done .

Been done yes, done now no. The gun caliber combinations I describe are excellent examples of needs that a .32 caliber gun can fill much better than the popular calibers on the market now.