Because they don't want to and Glock isn't about giving their customers very many options. If they were, they'd offer factory extended magazines for the G42 and G43 and they'd make those stupid forward slide serrations optional.

I'm not an expert, ( I wish Mike M was still here) but I've heard that the reason they made the slides heavier and thicker on the Gen 5 40 caliber guns was not because of the lack of strength of the 2 pin design, but was so that the gun would have softer recoil for all the P****'s out there. If Glock wasn't such dicks about giving us options, they'd offer the Gen 5 40 caliber guns with thick slides for the women and children and thin slides for the men who can deal with a little recoil but want to carry concealed the lightest most compact gun possible.

 

Because they don't want to and Glock isn't about giving their customers very many options. If they were, they'd offer factory extended magazines for the G42 and G43 and they'd make those stupid forward slide serrations optional.

I'm not an expert, ( I wish Mike M was still here) but I've heard that the reason they made the slides heavier and thicker on the Gen 5 40 caliber guns was not because of the lack of strength of the 2 pin design, but was so that the gun would have softer recoil for all the P****'s out there. If Glock wasn't such dicks about giving us options, they'd offer the Gen 5 40 caliber guns with thick slides for the women and children and thin slides for the men who can deal with a little recoil but want to carry concealed the lightest most compact gun possible.

I'm a bit curious as to why the heavier .40 slide myself. It's no secret that .40 works 9mm-sized pistols harder than 9mm and the heavier slides certainly lower slide velocity, but I thought this was pretty much fixed with the Gen4 .40 recoil spring assemblies.

 

I imagine they will sooner or later, all calibers should be present.

You can also get the aftermarket .357 Sig Gen 5 barrels that are available.

 

Who's making Gen5 357sig barrels?

 

Probably not enough demand for it. It took Glock years to do Gen 5 .40s. And however much .40 demand has tailed off, it has always been significantly higher than 357SIG.

 

You are right - but fortunately, as a reloader, as long as I have 40 brass and 9mm bullets, I'm golden for the Sig. For some reason, it's a favorite of mine.

 

Heavier slides reduce slide velocity, which lessens stress on the locking block when the barrel drops and slams into it, which lessens stress on the frame that supports the locking block.

 

They might at some point. But perhaps a better question would be why would you want one when you can get a better pistol with HK (USP,USPc, P2000, P30 and VP40) using a 357sig barrel from either HK or RCM. Not trying to turn this into a Glock vs. HK thread but it needs to be remembered that those Glocks were made from 9mm pistols converted over to the 40S&W and 357sig whereas the HK pistols were designed around the 40S&W from the ground up. They are stronger and also softer recoiling. And right now there hasn't been enough time to know the long term durability of the Gen 5 Glocks in 40S&W or especially in 357sig. Will a 2-pin design stand up over time with the thicker/heavier slides? Maybe. But we know the HK's listed above will last.

 

Remember when HK was awarded the (optional) approved .357 bid in the older DHS test and subsequent contract, meaning they beat out SIG for that caliber (and it was SIG's namesake caliber)?

 

Hahaha they have to finish selling the gen 3's and the gen 4's first [emoji2][emoji1][emoji16][emoji38]

I bought a 357SIG barrel for the Glock 23, works great.

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wish theyd just release them all already.
I still cant find a freaking 40 to save my life.
people would be on Gen 5 45ACP and 10MM like hyenas.
get with it already glock.

 

I still cant find a freaking 40 to save my life.

Remember all those folks saying the 40 was dead

The 40S&W is kinda like Deadpool...they just can't die.

Remember when HK was awarded the (optional) approved .357 bid in the older DHS test and subsequent contract, meaning they beat out SIG for that caliber (and it was SIG's namesake caliber)?

Kinda says a lot

 

Who still shoots .357 Sig? (Don't attack me please) but I thought the .40 and .357 Sig were pretty much killed off by recent 9mm +p rounds.(?)

 

Oh, there's still a few dudes using it.

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Pretty tough to compete with Sig Sauer’s .357s.

 

Yep...between the 226/229 and hk uspc, nothing else compares.

 

Thanks for the info on barsto. Guess i can dig my gen5 23 out of the safe.

Crap. Only for the 22. Back in the safe it goes.

 

Will a gen3/4 g32 barrel not work in a gen5 g23?

 

To be fair... I've been running a 9mm conversion barrel from Storm Lake in my G23. But I hardly believe 40S&W to be dead.

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To be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t see one. The sig round is circling the drain.
It was a great money maker for Sig, for awhile, but it just didn’t live up to the hype.
The .40 will always be around, it’s the new All-American caliber.
But, just my opinion, it too is falling out of favor for many people.
If things ever get back to normal, I expect the .40 to become about the same level as the .45. Some will still shoot it, but with more and more people (and agencies) switching to the 9, manufacturers will follow. More production will be moved to the 9 to keep up with the demand, which will in turn mean less production of the .40, which will in turn probably drive up the price.
I own and operate a range, have several friends that shoot a lot. Several of us were instructors for the DOC. A few years ago the DOC transitioned to G-23’s and we shot the crap out of them. Liked them just fine. Since we’ve all retired we’re all back to shooting the 9. All. But we train, we’re not target shooters, there’s a difference.
I’m still issued a .40 (M&P), and have nothing against the round, it works just fine. But for my personal weapons I’ve gone back to the G-19.
I suspect if you do see a Gen 5 chambered for the sig round it’ll be after the .45 and 10mm.


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Who cares? The Gen 4 will do nicely, I am not going to drop new handgun money every time Glock comes out with something new and improved.

 

Well, yes, but ...

Glock is reportedly going to be phasing out the Gen4 models, staying with the Gen3 & Gen5's.

I'm also a believer is staying with existing models that have demonstrated they work for my purposes, and not just "updating" to new models just because they're the newest thing. That's why I'm still using and carrying my S&W Gen3 TDA guns, assorted older revolvers and 1911's.

Now, for upgrading to the latest models for issued LE equipment? That's fine and prudent. LE weapons see more use and abuse than most private owners usually experience. Also, as older official inventories reach the point that they may begin to require more serving and parts replacement to remain serviceable, it's helpful for newer units to go into service, as that's often less work for armorers to keep things in original spec and condition. Lastly, newer options and refinements sometimes offer benefits not previously available, which can be both practical and handy.

 

The problem with .357SIG is it takes a 5"+ barrel to really pull away from 9mm +P. Since almost no service guns have barrels this long, most don't see the point.

 

That’s not entirely accurate as Sig P226 and P229’s in that caliber have been standard issue with different LEO’s including Federal Air Marshals. It’s only a barrel swap from .40 for Sig and Glock. Magazines are the same.


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I’m a 357 Sig fan and while it doesn’t enjoy the popularity it did in the late-1990s/early-2000s, I think it has a lot of years ahead of it as far as production and viability. However, I personally don’t see Glock getting into it in the Gen5.

 

Is HK even making anymore pistols in 357 Sig?

 

357sig barrels are still available from both HK and RCM. As far as HK still making them, I don’t think so, but I could be wrong.

 

I don’t think Gaston wants to make another design or generation of 357 Sig. Glock doesn’t even want other manufacture’s names their products. 40SW is still popular enough to make a Gen 5 series 40, but SW isn’t getting stamped on the gun.

 

I would absolutely love to see Gen5 357 Sigs produced. I would buy them. I still shoot and handload a lot of 357 Sig. The heavier slide of the Gen5 40s produce a noticeably softer recoil, and I think it would be beneficial for 357 as well.

 

Need to start a petition and get it done

 

To be honest, I don't understand why Glock made separate models for the 40 and 357sig. Why not just provide both barrels with a single 40/357sig model? or just make the barrel an option (40 or 357 sig).

 

To be honest, I don't understand why Glock made separate models for the 40 and 357sig. Why not just provide both barrels with a single 40/357sig model? or just make the barrel an option (40 or 357 sig).

Hmmmm... yeah, totally a mystery why they didn't just offer the one gun with both barrels. I'm stumped. Someone call the tootsie pop owl, because the world may never know. [emoji16][emoji38] (No offense, just my hypothesis.)

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The 32 barrel cycles fine in my gen5 23 when hand cycled. Fits fine on frame. I’m not going to risk firing it though. I will wait for a proper barrel or just get rid of the gun if no one makes one.

 

with a Gen 5 gun, putting a gen putting a gen 4 or earlier barrel in the gun might fit, an even hand cycle but might cause problems when actually firing the gun an dmight not be 100% reliable. But if Bar-sto makes a 357 Sig barrel specifically for a Gen 5 G23 I don't think you'd have any problems there. But with Gen 4 and , putting a G32 barrel in a G23 or a G31 barrel in a G22, or a G33 barrel in a G27 are the only modifications to their factory guns that the Glock factory recommends as long as it isn't an earlier Gen 2 two pin gun.

My biggrest gripe is the thicker heavier slide on the gen 5 40 caliber guns and I wouldn'y pay $250 bucks for a Barsto barrel unless it was for a G31 where I wouldn't plan on carrying teh gun IWB had wher teh thifkre heavier slide wouldn't matter as much. But with a gun that you carry IWB, the G19 and G27's are already a little too thick and chunky for comfortable long term inside the waistband carry.

 

I'm trying to recall which state's fish and wildlife officers were issued Glock 31after they determined that accuracy was similar under 50 yards but was significantly improved for shots at 75 yards. Which I realize may seem unlikely for defensive scenarios. I have a buddy who shoots a dinner plate- sized group from the prone at 100 yards with a CZ52, which uses another bottlenecked cartridge.

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I'm pretty sure that .40S&W will be with us for a while yet because plenty of police departments were issuing it, the FBI were issuing it, and there are probably enough pd's still issuing it that the ammo became reasonably affordable. I bought 300 rounds before it all dried up (all the 9mm was already scarce) and only paid about a dollar more per box than I would have for 9mm. It was pre- ridiculous prices, anyway.

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The .357 Sig is superior to 9mm in almost any category outside of capacity. You get better penetration, higher velocity, more energy transfer, and a flatter trajectory. And this is all side by side out of the same barrel lengths.

9mm +P on average only gives around 50-100 more FPS pushing 115gr in factory ammo from 1,150 to 1,200-1,250 at the most, and this is with a good round. Many +P don't even produce those results so you really have to be mindful of what you are using. Even with that, the standard 125gr .357 Sig is still moving faster on average.

Now when you cross into lighter than 9mm 115gr +P+ then you can start to see some better comparisons, but unless you load your own those can be hard to come by.

Given the simplicity of converting any .40 to .357 with just a barrel swap and nothing more, if you have interest in the .357 Sig it's almost wrong not to pick up a conversion barrel, even a stock barrel will work.

 

You get better penetration,

Not necessarily. Some side-by-side ballistics have the 9mm getting better penetration.

higher velocity, more energy transfer

And again no disrespect intended, that is all fantasy pseudo-science. Which is why ammunition manufacturers (as well as qualified ballistics experts) all state that velocities at handgun levels don't significantly effect terminal ballistics. The velocity threshold, for example according to Federal, is 2300 fps. Which the 357sig doesn't approach. The real determining factors, which have been discussed at length, are penetration and expansion. Phrases like 'energy transfer' belong in the same realm as 'killing power', 'stopping power', 'kinetic energy dump', knock down power', 'wound ballistic theory' and all the other pseudo-science terms that have been debunked since the late 80's and early 90's. To this end the 357sig is right there with the rest of the service calibers.

Given the simplicity of converting any .40 to .357 with just a barrel swap and nothing more, if you have interest in the .357 Sig it's almost wrong not to pick up a conversion barrel, even a stock barrel will work

Agreed

 

You know, when the .357SIG was initially released, much ballyhoo was made of it being similar to the previously highly vaunted .357MAG 125gr JHP.

However, while ballistic testing of the middleweight 125gr JHP .357MAG typically revealed that velocities could run in the 1450fps range from 4" revolvers, the major ammo makers who got in the .357SIG business eventually ended up with 125gr loads that usually ran in the 1300-1350fps range, although one or two pushed the upper 1300's (mostly for LE/Gov contracts, it seemed). Those were from duty-size pistols, too.

Sure, smaller custom ammo makers could push the bounds for higher velocities, if they wished. Always been a market for the "velocity is everything" aficionados.

I remember how some of the big makers who wanted LE/Gov contracts had to revise their JHP's to deal with shallow penetration with the .357SIG's extra velocity, looking for that balance of expansion/penetration craved by LE/Gov users. Then, there was that bonded thing in the mix.

So, whole the various 115gr & 127gr +P+ 9mm loads might hit 1250-1300fps in duty pistols, the .357SIG could hit 1300-1350-1375fps. Both +P+ and "standard" .357SIG could be harder on guns than the standard and +P 9 offerings. Pick your compromise. If an extra 50fps, 100fps or even 150fps of velocity does it for you, meaning makes you feel better, go for it. (Keeping in mind real world deviations and variations on any given day, as well as manufacturing tolerances allowing for some +/- variability, of course). Free country (if we can keep it).

We've finally reached the point where agencies (federal and "local") who have been using the .357SIG for a decade or more are in the process of transitioning back (or just) to 9mm. The heyday of the .357SIG has come and gone, just like the heyday of the .357MAG came and went. Doesn't mean enthusiasts of either caliber can't continue to enjoy them, but the working professionals have moved on. Again. And they may yet again ... in another decade or so. Maybe the .40 will experience a high tide again. Maybe something brand new will jump into the limelight.

I still like my .357MAG's ... and 9's, .40's, .45ACP's, .38SPL's, .45Colt (singular) and .44MAG's, and even those little LCP .380's I held my nose and bought for a specific role. Comes to that, I'll keep my .22LR pistols and .22LR/MAG NAA's, for that matter.

Folks can keep their .357SIG's ... and 10's & .41MAG's. Free country.

 

Indivi, "The .357 Sig is superior to 9mm in almost any category outside of capacity. You get better penetration, higher velocity, more energy transfer, and a flatter trajectory. And this is all side by side out of the same barrel lengths."

The category you left out is price, which is sort of academic right now but definitely helps determine which caliber you can practice more with.

I do agree that for the price of a barrel swap, it's silly not to check it out.

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The category you left out is price, which is sort of academic right now but definitely helps determine which caliber you can practice more with.

I figured the cost would have been an obvious point (pre-panic) so I didn't think it needed to be mentioned, but you are correct in that 9mm wins in the cost category.

Before everything got dumb you could usually find basic 125gr FMJ .357 Sig here between the $15 - $20 range on average. 9mm $10 to $15 for 115gr FMJ so the cost difference is there, even now where everything is jacked up.