What's the purpose of the Israeli carry method, i.e. where you carry with the chamber empty and rack the slide as you draw and bring the weapon on target. I know it can be done pretty smoothly with practice but still, wouldn't it be easier to just carry with a round chambered? Why would the Israeli's train people to carry this way? My only guess is that maybe, in the days when Israel first came about, the pistols available did not have reliable safety mechanisms so they figured it was safer to train them not to carry with a round chambered.
why Israeli carry?
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What's the purpose of the Israeli carry method, i.e. where you carry with the chamber empty and rack the slide as you draw and bring the weapon on target. I know it can be done pretty smoothly with practice but still, wouldn't it be easier to just carry with a round chambered? Why would the Israeli's train people to carry this way? My only guess is that maybe, in the days when Israel first came about, the pistols available did not have reliable safety mechanisms so they figured it was safer to train them not to carry with a round chambered.
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Never saw the need. :dunno:
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I can't help you but am also interested in the answers.Tagged.tom.
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[sarcasm]Now here is a topic that has not been done to death[/sarcasm]
Yep. And there always will be topics on here that have been beat to death.
I'm mainly interested in the origin of Israeli carry by Israeli's which is to say I'm interested in why Israeli firearms instructors began training students to carry this way and why, as far as I know, they still do. It seems they are the only ones who still use it. Maybe there is someone from Israel here who could explain.
One more thing: if you don't have anything to add to this thread besides smart ass or sarcastic comments, I ask that you refrain from posting.
I CC my Glocks without one in the chamber about 90+% of the time, but, I practice drawing from my CC rig and racking the slide and getting on target and dry firing quite a bit, so as to be very proficient at doing so. I feel that it's no different than fanning a single action revolver. I stroke the slide after clearing the holster and as the gun is going foward. It works quite well with practice.
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The reason is because there was no standard sidearm for police and military carry for most of their history. In that situation it is easier to train someone to simply draw and chamber a round with whatever gun they have than teach each individual weapon. They consider it safer to leave the pistol empty and charge it when drawing than to have it loaded.
I have a training video that teaches the Israeli method. I tried it and like it. However, I've carried a gun for 34 years with the chamber loaded. That is what I was trained to do and what I am used to. Switching to the other method is confusing during stress. I carried for a couple weeks with the chamber empty just to try it but I had to keep checking to make sure since I was trained to always assume the gun was loaded. It drove me nuts.
The point is, use the method you were trained in but not both.
I have a training video that teaches the Israeli method. I tried it and like it. However, I've carried a gun for 34 years with the chamber loaded. That is what I was trained to do and what I am used to. Switching to the other method is confusing during stress. I carried for a couple weeks with the chamber empty just to try it but I had to keep checking to make sure since I was trained to always assume the gun was loaded. It drove me nuts.
The point is, use the method you were trained in but not both.
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The safety or benefits of C3 carry cannot be denied. Proficient shooters can draw just as effectively and bring the pistol to action with marginal delay--a second or two. For self defense, these delays in gun presentation are mainly dependent on the carry method, not the condition the gun is in be it C1 or C3. It is called the Israeli method by name only, but its use is a reality even today among many armies and police forces of the world, Europe etc.
I use this carry method when carrying my Glock in my fanny pack or some other concealed means where an accidental discharge may ocurr because of the trigger's exposure to garments or clothing. I also use this method where administrative handling of the gun is a necessity on a frequent basis. All shooters I train with at the range where we do drills carry in this method and start the drills in this condition on the single shooting line. No question, it is safer.
All else when my gun is in plain view in my Fobus paddle holster with positive trigger protection my Glock is always in C1.
I use this carry method when carrying my Glock in my fanny pack or some other concealed means where an accidental discharge may ocurr because of the trigger's exposure to garments or clothing. I also use this method where administrative handling of the gun is a necessity on a frequent basis. All shooters I train with at the range where we do drills carry in this method and start the drills in this condition on the single shooting line. No question, it is safer.
All else when my gun is in plain view in my Fobus paddle holster with positive trigger protection my Glock is always in C1.
Once had a very green Lt insist we not carry condition 1. He specified 3. Funny thing is later he carried 1. It's amazing what a bit of real life experience will do to a preconcieved notion.
You know, I'd like to see a top isralie style shooter go head to head with a top IDPA or IPSC shooter in a timed drill for first shot. Hmm. I think I can predict the winner of that one, what about you.
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The situations that we face here are totally different from that in the US.
There is also a very different gun culture, notwithstanding the fact that we have compulsory military service. There is no right to keep and bear arms here.
There is almost no use of handguns in the military. Only some special operations units receive training and are issued handguns.
Most of our private security personal are not trained to a very high level and we are all safer with them in condition 3.
Those who receive a high level of training do carry condition 3 while operational.
I do not reccomend condition 3 carry for any of my friends in the US. Here in Israel, the odds of someone being the victim of criminally motivated violence is low. In a terrorist attack, armed civilians have usually had the luxury of choosing to respond, not being the immediate target of the terrorists.
The added safety of condition 3 carry, along with relatively low threat levels and the low level of training make sense here. Most Israelis licensed to carry handguns fire their weapons once every three years in the mandated retraining.
Regarding my credentials, I am a licensed firearms instructor in Israel. I work part-time in a leading shooting range in central Israel.
There is also a very different gun culture, notwithstanding the fact that we have compulsory military service. There is no right to keep and bear arms here.
There is almost no use of handguns in the military. Only some special operations units receive training and are issued handguns.
Most of our private security personal are not trained to a very high level and we are all safer with them in condition 3.
Those who receive a high level of training do carry condition 3 while operational.
I do not reccomend condition 3 carry for any of my friends in the US. Here in Israel, the odds of someone being the victim of criminally motivated violence is low. In a terrorist attack, armed civilians have usually had the luxury of choosing to respond, not being the immediate target of the terrorists.
The added safety of condition 3 carry, along with relatively low threat levels and the low level of training make sense here. Most Israelis licensed to carry handguns fire their weapons once every three years in the mandated retraining.
Regarding my credentials, I am a licensed firearms instructor in Israel. I work part-time in a leading shooting range in central Israel.
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If it were your website, that might mean something.
Wanna go against Bob Mundon, using a SA revolver, with a loaded Glock? Or anything else for that matter? I bet he gets 6 rounds off faster than the best of the best of ANY IDPA or IPSC champion, much less, just a regular competitor. Oh, and his will actually hit, not only the target, but the bullseye.
It's all about practice. I dry fire practice pulling from my CC holster racking one into the chamber almost daily. Put it this way, I feel just fine with my ability to get my gun into action in a SHTF situation, just fine. :thumbsup: Different strokes for different folks I guess. BTW, when I CC one of my 1911's, I carry in Condition 1. I believe in Condition 1 exclusively for a 1911. And on another note, I'm not trying to start a pissing match with anybody. That's just how I, personally, practice and carry. 1 - 20 of 171 Posts
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