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Shooting the 48, and by proxy knowing the grip of the 43X, It definitely felt really good in terms of hand size fitment. I look forward to trying a 43X tomorrow but it's gonna have to really woo me to get me to replace my already tailored-to-me 43.
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I'm not crazy. I like the gun well enough but the only way I'd buy one is if I could buy a regular G43 and swap slides and put the normal black slide with the normal rear slide serrations on the G43x and sell the G43 with the shiny slide to someone who thought that **** looked "Cool."
Look, I’ve owned a lot of glocks and have been a gun owner for a long time. I understand the chance I was talking by not function testing/practicing before carrying. If something were to have happened and it didn’t function when intended, I would have taken 100% responsibility for my poor decision. Poor choice to carry before testing/practicing, yes I agree.There's an old story about a police officer who took a revolver to a gunsmith for a trigger job. Officer picks up the finished gun, likes the feel of the trigger, goes home, puts duty ammo in it, puts it in his holster and carries it for patrol everyday.
At the next range session a couple months later, the officer draws, pulls the trigger and click. Click, click, click.
Takes it back to the gunsmith who says, "Oh, I thought it was a target gun intended for target soft primers."
Dunno how true the story is, but has been around for a while
MOST people buy a new gun and NEVER shoot it, whether revolver or auto! Forums are full of people who are "hard core" into the whole gun and "carry" scene which is why all the talk bout "in my EDC rotation," and super-nip-tuck, phantom pain, undertucked shirt carry holsters, and gushing over Glock finally coming out with a gun as thin as the entire model line Kahr has been making for decades - only Kahr's is still smaller, lighter, and has a BETTER trigger.
If there was ever a pistol you can buy, load, put in a holster, carry, and bet your life on without EVER firing a shot, it's a Glock, and you are far and away NOT the first, nor only person have done so.
Statistics are an interesting, and highly flexible way of using numbers to "prove" what one wishes to prove. For example, the probability of your brand new Glock failing to fire on shot one is exactly "0". The probability of your new Glock going "bang" on shot one is exactly "100%". When you finally take that pistol to the range and fire 10 shots without a single malfunction, the odds of it going "bang" on the next shot is exactly "100%". When you fire 100 shots, the resultant odds IN FAVOR of it going "bang" on the next shot and all subsequent shots is - yep, 100%. This of course assumes that you are capable of handling, loading, and firing the pistol within specified parameters for reliable semiautomatic pistol functioning, such as chambering a round, gripping high on the backstrap, arms extended and either locked or near locked as needed to place the pistol within parameters conducive to cycling. In this regard Glock gives you an edge in having a relatively heavy slide, combined with a not-too-heavy slide return spring which is much more forgiving of light slides and too strong slide return springs.
So I probably wouldn't sit up at night fretting over whether your new Glock is going to work if a couple of Goblins bust in on you in the night.
To put this "statistic" into meaningful perspective, to date, the F15 Eagle has a "kill ratio" of 104:0. That means out of 104 aerial engagements with opposition fighters, the F15 has shot down 104 of them with a loss of NO F15s. Now, do you think this means the F15 is "unproven?" Does this signal to potential enemy fighter pilots that the F15 is an "easy win?" Are enemy pilots sitting around out there holding their "Joystick" while flying their watch around boasting: "Sure the F15 has shot down 104 and never lost a battle, but that doesn't mean ANYTHING! I can take it!" Does that statistic "mean anything?" Of course it does...it means a great deal to anyone brave or foolish enough to tangle with an F15.
Same thing goes for your new Glock. Based on the statistical performance of Glocks over the last thirty+ years, odds are when you pull that trigger for the very first time - whether sitting on your toilet fondling the gun, or using it in the heat of self-defense, it will go "bang!"
To date, I have owned innumerable store-bought Glocks, plus three home-built models - two from P80 frames as shown elsewhere on this site and this baby made from welded sheet steel:
And ALL have functioned 100% reliably since the very first shot! I figure it a "Glock" I cobbled together using sheet steel and my Henrob can work perfectly on the first shot, I'm pretty safe in "trusting" that Glock built their OEM factory model to an equally reliable standard!
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The reason I thought initially it was a parody thread is because some guy a couple weeks ago was saying everyone is posting pics of their new 43x/48 but nobody (in his opinion) was ever going to actually shoot them.
And with that police officer story, I was just wondering if you had heard it before. Could be urban legend.
Any gun could fail at any time. Even if I test a gun 500 rounds, then carry it, it could fail at 501.
The only gun of mine I recall not working from the start was an old used rimfire. I took it back to the gunshop and they replaced a spring and it has worked ever since.
So, chances of you needing your carry gun were likely 1 in a million. And chances of it working were 99.9 out of 100
Chances of people piling on in a GT thread are the same as Tom Brady winning his 6th ring, with us already knowing the final score!
Nailed it!The reason I thought initially it was a parody thread is because some guy a couple weeks ago was saying everyone is posting pics of their new 43x/48 but nobody (in his opinion) was ever going to actually shoot them.
And with that police officer, I was just wondering if you had heard it before. Could be urban legend.
Any gun could fail at any time. Even if I test a gun 500 rounds, then carry it, it could fail at 501.
The only gun of mine I recall not working from the start was an old used rimfire. I took it back to the gunshop and they replaced a spring and it has worked ever since.
So, chances of you needing your carry gun were likely 1 in a million. And chances of it working were 99.9 out of 100
Chances of people piling on in a GT thread are the same as Tom Brady winning his 6th ring, with us already knowing the final score!
But I'm not believing the Urban Legend about the revolver set up for "soft target primers." I've been hand loading for close to 50 years and I've used just about every brand and type of primer out there and never even heard of a "soft target primer". Though I HAVE heard of jake-leg gunsmiths lightening the trigger on S&W's by backing out the strain screw to the point where it fires a few shots before backing out so far the mainspring has lost tension. Or my personal favorite is the jake-leg gunsmith who "thins" a SAA mainspring's "thickness" to reduce pull rather than thinning it's width to reduce pull with a still-predictable, reliable spring.
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I dunno about the story, but there are definitely soft primers and hard primers. I reload mostly with CCI 500, which are hard. Federal are soft. Winchester are medium.
I have a model 14 K38 revolver that in DA likes the softer primers, but not the CCI. So I load "target" loads specifically for it, using softer primers.
The spring could be adjusted, yes. Or I could just leave as is and pick the softer primers for it. I bought it used, for a target gun, and like the trigger as it is so I haven't touched the spring.
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Please give a report comparing the 43 to the 43X when you have a chance to stretch the 43X's legs at the range.
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I think it was 'butthead' someone called me in another thread. Glad to see I'm not the only one, here. Carrying before testing may not be ideal, and you have already said it, but if I have to strap on an unfired, stock pistol, I want it to be a Glock. I've got an unfired G41 (it does have the two spent casings that came with it) in my shorts drawer with a full mag in condition 3. It's there 'just in case'. I may get around to shooting it one day if I don't sell or trade it, first.
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Yeah...me too...he had me right up to that line "I've not shot it yet"...WTF over?
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Shield in the summer and others in winter
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I don't think I'd carry a gun without taking it to the range first.
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"Most people buy a new gun and never shoot it." WHAT? If this is true, I sure as hell hope they don't carry it. Your life may be on the line and you have never shot it? Scotty, beam me up!
WTF? :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
WTF? :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:
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It’s not really “softer” it’s that Federal uses a different more sensitive priming compound than most if not all other manufacturers (I’ve always assumed that’s why Federal Primers come in a much larger more protective box than other brands.)
Anyway, yes I’ve set up a competition smith and Wesson model 67 with double action pull of under 6 pounds, Federal is the only brand it would reliably ignite. That’s very common among revolver shooters in USPSA. It’s also common when you go to 4# or lower Glock striker springs as well.
Small rifle primers are in fact tougher than small pistol primers (to withstand the greater pressures) some used those to make major 9 when that was a thing, but had to go to heavier springs to get reliable ignition.
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I wouldn't bet on those numbers. My experiences have been a bit different. (And, while I fully believe mine are the exception not the rule, they are real experiences/statistics).
Your experience is almost magical. From now on, I want you to buy any additional Glocks I acquire.
I've had a 40% fail rate on my few Glocks.
G21 many years ago ran fine before selling it.
I have four now.
A G26.3 and a G43 that run fine.
A G26.5 that took about 400 rounds to break in. It didn't get through a single magazine without a jam before sending it back to Smyrna. After returning, it still choked periodically until several hundred more rounds went through it.
And, a G30S, that while not nearly so problematic, has been a bit finicky at times.
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There is a lot of truth to it. Many folks running around with a gun in the glovebox that they have never fired. They put it there "just in case". Crazy thoughts on gun forums, but not every gun owner is a gun "enthusiast". Just having the gun gives some people a feeling of comfort, like some sort of talisman.
Hell, after I buy a gun going to the range is the first thing I do.:cowboy:
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