[PVolk]

I'm eyeballing an AR15 right now. It's a Spikes lower with an Rguns upper. I've read plenty of negative stuff about Rguns but it was primarily their lowers and more specifically their lower parts kits. Should I at all be concerned about this combination that I'm looking at?

Also, are Rguns barrels chrome-lined? Is that even an issue?

 

[M&P15T]

Spike's is good, but I know nothing about R-Guns. I looked on their sight and see "chromemoly vandium", but not chrome lined.

So, I dunno. How much is this AR supposed to set you back? More details? Some pics?

 

[PVolk]

Here is it: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=315210629

I'm kind of stuck on wanting a Spikes rifle (or at least lower), but the Rgun upper on this one is the only thing that concerns me.

 

[Cole125]

That is a complete freaking rip off! That setup is worth half that price, maybe. Personally I would not buy a home build, your asking for trouble.

Get a Colt 6920, Daniel Defense, or build a rifle with BCM parts.

 

[PVolk]

I'm not really asking if that one is a good deal. I'm asking about the quality of the Rguns upper. I've alredy scratched that particular model from my list of possiblities anyway, but I'm still curious about the Rguns uppers because I'm seeing them everyhere.

Although I like those brands, I can't get that Colt, BCM, or DD for under a grand either. And I don't want a regular M4 upper with A2 sights. I'm going to build or buy something with a Spikes lower.

And I did find it a bit silly that you would recommend that I, a guy who has never owned or built an AR15, build my own, but I should not trust buying from a person that has built an sold 100+ Ar15s.

 

[Cole125]

I don't have any hands on experience with Rguns uppers, but I have not heard anything great about them. There are better deals out there on more proven/quality components.

It is very easy to build a AR15 lower, even if you have never touched a AR. Lots of instructions online.

There is a thread in the Black Rifle Forum about which brands to avoid and which to buy, might be of use to you.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1451895

 

[Sporaticus]

I don't have any hands on experience with Rguns uppers

Then maybe it's a great opportunity to remain silent.

 

[mjkeat]

There's been an account or two about horrible CS. One was borderline criminal. They took a guys money but kept giving him the run around when it came to shipping his AR. The BBB had to get involved if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Ruggles]

I don't have any hands on experience with Rguns uppers, but I have not heard anything great about them. There are better deals out there on more proven/quality components.

It is very easy to build a AR15 lower, even if you have never touched a AR. Lots of instructions online.

There is a thread in the Black Rifle Forum about which brands to avoid and which to buy, might be of use to you.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1451895

Truth Building an AR is very easy, if I can do it then you can.

 

[Sporaticus]

There's been an account or two about horrible CS. One was borderline criminal. They took a guys money but kept giving him the run around when it came to shipping his AR. The BBB had to get involved if I'm not mistaken.

No personal first hand experience, but you just have to chime in. :upeyes:

 

[mjkeat]

No personal first hand experience, but you just have to chime in. :upeyes:

I was relaying a true story about the product being discussed.

I guess I could have been talking about barreled lowers. Right? Or making posts that have nothing to do w/ the topic. Looks like the post police have arrived.

 

[JaPes]

I am local to RGuns. I own one of their uppers. Contrary to internet wisdom, mine has no issues. Of course if I did have an issue, because they're nearby I could get it easily addressed. YMMV.

This started out as a budget build rifle limited to stock parts. Since the accessories, it's more than that now.

Slow fire target. Sub-par range bench & rest. 55gr TulAmmo. Iron sights. 100 yards.

 

[M&P15T]

Just my $.02

You're already looking at spending $1000 on this.

I myself would be patient and save-up another $400-$500 and get a complete Daniel Defense or BCM, or one of the may 6920 variations.

Do not allow yourself to be stuck on the ***** crap on the lower (the "Punisher" crapola), as it's something that you might like at this very moment, but will fade over time, and will cause you to not be wise with your money.

 

[PVolk]

I myself would be patient and save-up another $400-$500 and get a complete Daniel Defense or BCM, or one of the may 6920 variations.

$1500 gets me a basic BCM or Daniel Defense. Cheap plastic stock, basic LPK, plastic grip, and usually the sights that I don't want. I handled several of them this weekend at two different gun shops. The last thing I want to do is spend $1500 on a rifle that I need to instantly spend more on by changing everything out.

Not to mention that extra $500 could net me another Glock or some sweet optics. If I can find a nice AR for $1k that I really like, then why not? I don't plan to modify my budget.

Do not allow yourself to be stuck on the ***** crap on the lower (the "Punisher" crapola), as it's something that you might like at this very moment, but will fade over time, and will cause you to not be wise with your money.

I could care less about what symbols Spikes uses on their lowers. I'm buying it for the quality only.

 

[PVolk]

I am local to RGuns. I own one of their uppers. Contrary to internet wisdom, mine has no issues. Of course if I did have an issue, because they're nearby I could get it easily addressed. YMMV.

Thanks for chiming in. I'm going to give one a shot.

I should have it by the end of the week, so I'll try to get to the range within the next couple weeks to see how it does.

 

[WoodenPlank]

$1500 gets me a basic BCM or Daniel Defense. Cheap plastic stock, basic LPK, plastic grip, and usually the sights that I don't want. I handled several of them this weekend at two different gun shops. The last thing I want to do is spend $1500 on a rifle that I need to instantly spend more on by changing everything out.

Not to mention that extra $500 could net me another Glock or some sweet optics. If I can find a nice AR for $1k that I really like, then why not? I don't plan to modify my budget.


I could care less about what symbols Spikes uses on their lowers. I'm buying it for the quality only.

If a local shop is charging $1500 for a BCM or DD the way you describe it, then they are ripping people off.

 

[PVolk]

If a local shop is charging $1500 for a BCM or DD the way you describe it, then they are ripping people off.

Maybe so.

This is an example of what $1500 would get me for a Daniel defense at the local gun shops: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=316158474

Not saying it's a bad rifle, but it's definitely not what I want and far more than I want to spend to boot.

 

[Rooster Rugburn]

Thanks for chiming in. I'm going to give one a shot.

I should have it by the end of the week, so I'll try to get to the range within the next couple weeks to see how it does.

Wow. Another loss for the Defenders of The Chart. No wonder they are getting so vitriolic lately, nobody is paying any attention to them and they keep losing.

 

[M&P15T]

$1500 gets me a basic BCM or Daniel Defense. Cheap plastic stock, basic LPK, plastic grip, and usually the sights that I don't want. I handled several of them this weekend at two different gun shops. The last thing I want to do is spend $1500 on a rifle that I need to instantly spend more on by changing everything out.

Not to mention that extra $500 could net me another Glock or some sweet optics. If I can find a nice AR for $1k that I really like, then why not? I don't plan to modify my budget.


I could care less about what symbols Spikes uses on their lowers. I'm buying it for the quality only.

I think you're very, very confused. Or you know nothing about stocks, grips and LPKs.

Go back and look again at the link you posted for the Spikes/R Guns FrankenAR. The stock and grip on it are the same as you get on a Daniel Defense. The ones on the DD are not any cheaper or anymore necessary to replace than the ones on the AR you're already looking at. In fact the grip and stock are identical. And the DD LPK is better quality than the one in the SPike's lower.

As far as sights go, the AR you're looking at does not have any. And a DD can be ordered either with or without sights....so that's a wash.

For an additional $400, you get much better quality in the materials and manufacturing of the entire rifle, plus a quad-rail, and an actual manufacturer standing behind you with a warranty if something should go wrong.

You think Bubba is gonna fix that FrankenAR if something is wrong with it? :rofl::rofl:

I get the impression you're young, and haven't learned that cheap is almost always the wrong way to go. You want a Franken AR? Or something that is actually worth what you're spending?

 

[M&P15T]

Maybe so.

This is an example of what $1500 would get me for a Daniel defense at the local gun shops: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=316158474

Not saying it's a bad rifle, but it's definitely not what I want and far more than I want to spend to boot.

Set aside price. We understand that the additional $400-$500 is probably the real issue here.

How would you not want the better, nicer AR from Daniel Defense instead of the Franken AR from Bubba's Gunz?