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Looking for a cost-effective way to monitor the airwaves if the grid goes down. If, and hopefully not when. Was thinking a ham radio receiver might be a good place to start, or perhaps a short-wave radio receiver?

Would appreciate any input y'all could offer.
 
Ham receiver covers a very wide spectrum of frequencies. And you won't hear squat without an antenna resonant on that band... (or transmit for that matter) So HF covers things like 10, 20, 30, 40 and 80 meter bands. These are really the "round the world" frequencies depending on the cooperation of the sun and atmosphere. The signals basically bounce off the ionosphere...

The 2 meter band covers short range HAM frequencies in the 1440 and 440 MHz UHF and VHF frequencies. These are mostly what you'll find HAMs on locally using repeaters to extend the range. These are typically 6-10 mile line of sight radios and that can be extended literally to infinity with the use of repeaters. But it's rare to get more than about 30 miles of useful range out of these bands especially with the 3.5-5 watt handheld radios.

There is even software you can download to monitor the HAM bands with your computer but of course that goes out the window with the internet going off grid.

The antenna is more important than the radio. Most people with no experience don't think about things this way. But a radio is worthless without an antenna...PERIOD! There are many many low cost home brew antennas that can serve providing you have a way to get it in the air high enough. But you have to understand resonance and how an antenna works. It's not rocket science and it's not hard but it does require some effort. But you'd be surprised what you can do with some common household materials and perhaps a little scrounging or small outlay of money at the homedepot. Again, this isn't how many people think but you can literally build a better antenna than you can buy...


So I can't answer your question really without more information because it's truly a very broad subject. You can buy a HAM transmitter of any kind without a license. The equipment doesn't require a license. Its a license to operate... I promise you can call any retailer and they will ship you a receiver/transmitter with no questions other than what's your address and how do you want to pay,

Also, most people without a HAM license who think in an emergency I'll just whip out my Handitalky and start blabbering away on the airwaves without a license or any experience doing it are deluded. It's not the regulations or authorities that will stop you. It's your total lack of experience doing it. Its not easy to get on the air and be heard...especially on 2 meters with modern day radios that require offsets, and codes, and a half dozen other settings to be heard on another radio or bouncing off a repeater. You'll spend days trying to figure out why nobody can hear you and why you can't trip the local repeater... Listening is a piece of cake. Transmitting is a whole nother ballgame.

For example...you might set up everything perfectly...offsets, codes, etc etc etc... You can hear people talking on a repeater from say 15 miles away. But when you key your handheld and transmit you get nothing. And I promise this happens all the time...and you scratch your head and can't figure out what's wrong....and it may never dawn on you. But that repeater might transmit on an antenna at the top of a very large building using a 100 watt transmitter. Your 5 watt hand talky isn't even close to reaching that far.... But you'd never know that from experience. Because you don't HAVE any operating experience.

What kind of space can you commit to setting up antennas? How high can you get them? My first HF antenna was a half wave dipole antenna for the 40 meter band....a long piece of wire strung up between two trees about 35 feet off the ground . And because of its resonant characteristics it could also work on the 20 meter band. I talked to people around the world for years with that antenna. Probably didn't cost me $15... You can cheaply make a j-pole antenna for the 2m band for pennies that you can haul straight up into a tree and be able to pick up all the UHF and VHF bands in the area...
 
Pick up used HF rig/ITuner on CL, ect, for like $400- or so and like others a decent ant, cables, PS.
Plain old Efed wire will work. Per: good scanner. maybe: 2m/family bands too.
The list goes on along w/$ in your wallet.
Serious about it, FT-710, Icom 7300. 1k ea
 
Ham receiver covers a very wide spectrum of frequencies. And you won't hear squat without an antenna resonant on that band... (or transmit for that matter) So HF covers things like 10, 20, 30, 40 and 80 meter bands. These are really the "round the world" frequencies depending on the cooperation of the sun and atmosphere. The signals basically bounce off the ionosphere...

The 2 meter band covers short range HAM frequencies in the 1440 and 440 MHz UHF and VHF frequencies. These are mostly what you'll find HAMs on locally using repeaters to extend the range. These are typically 6-10 mile line of sight radios and that can be extended literally to infinity with the use of repeaters. But it's rare to get more than about 30 miles of useful range out of these bands especially with the 3.5-5 watt handheld radios.

There is even software you can download to monitor the HAM bands with your computer but of course that goes out the window with the internet going off grid.

The antenna is more important than the radio. Most people with no experience don't think about things this way. But a radio is worthless without an antenna...PERIOD! There are many many low cost home brew antennas that can serve providing you have a way to get it in the air high enough. But you have to understand resonance and how an antenna works. It's not rocket science and it's not hard but it does require some effort. But you'd be surprised what you can do with some common household materials and perhaps a little scrounging or small outlay of money at the homedepot. Again, this isn't how many people think but you can literally build a better antenna than you can buy...


So I can't answer your question really without more information because it's truly a very broad subject. You can buy a HAM transmitter of any kind without a license. The equipment doesn't require a license. Its a license to operate... I promise you can call any retailer and they will ship you a receiver/transmitter with no questions other than what's your address and how do you want to pay,

Also, most people without a HAM license who think in an emergency I'll just whip out my Handitalky and start blabbering away on the airwaves without a license or any experience doing it are deluded. It's not the regulations or authorities that will stop you. It's your total lack of experience doing it. Its not easy to get on the air and be heard...especially on 2 meters with modern day radios that require offsets, and codes, and a half dozen other settings to be heard on another radio or bouncing off a repeater. You'll spend days trying to figure out why nobody can hear you and why you can't trip the local repeater... Listening is a piece of cake. Transmitting is a whole nother ballgame.

For example...you might set up everything perfectly...offsets, codes, etc etc etc... You can hear people talking on a repeater from say 15 miles away. But when you key your handheld and transmit you get nothing. And I promise this happens all the time...and you scratch your head and can't figure out what's wrong....and it may never dawn on you. But that repeater might transmit on an antenna at the top of a very large building using a 100 watt transmitter. Your 5 watt hand talky isn't even close to reaching that far.... But you'd never know that from experience. Because you don't HAVE any operating experience.

What kind of space can you commit to setting up antennas? How high can you get them? My first HF antenna was a half wave dipole antenna for the 40 meter band....a long piece of wire strung up between two trees about 35 feet off the ground . And because of its resonant characteristics it could also work on the 20 meter band. I talked to people around the world for years with that antenna. Probably didn't cost me $15... You can cheaply make a j-pole antenna for the 2m band for pennies that you can haul straight up into a tree and be able to pick up all the UHF and VHF bands in the area...
144 is 2 meter VHF and 440 is 70cm UHF....very different bands. Many, but not all, radios are dual band.



Antenna type and height also play a big part in the range of UHF/VHF. I routinely talk simplex from Russell Spring, KY to Berea, KY running only 5 watts of power through a 4 element beam about 50ft above the ground....but from my truck using a full 65 watts through a 5/8 wave antenna , it aint happening.
 
Looking for a cost-effective way to monitor the airwaves if the grid goes down. If, and hopefully not when. Was thinking a ham radio receiver might be a good place to start, or perhaps a short-wave radio receiver?

Would appreciate any input y'all could offer.
I’m not sure I have much to add. If listening is all you will ever want to do then for global non-encrypted comms a SW receiver like the one suggested will probably suffice. If you just want to hear the hams and marine VHF, if that applies to you then a cheap Baofeng will do and they’re not hard to program with a laptop at all. A lot if not most Public Service comms have gone to truncked or other encrypted comms so unless you know otherwise for your area forget about monitoring those.

If you think you might want to actually have the ability to transmit and communicate legally an Amateur Radio Technician License is very simple to pass and obtain these days. I’ve held a General Class since I was a teen in the ‘70s and found it easy to jump into new technology after a long hiatus. There is plenty of good used gear on the market and with a nice two band VHF/UHF antenna on the roof and a simple dipole strung up, plus a better digital handheld and still have that old Baofeng, an HF rig it’s pretty versatile.
 
Ham receiver covers a very wide spectrum of frequencies. And you won't hear squat without an antenna resonant on that band... (or transmit for that matter) So HF covers things like 10, 20, 30, 40 and 80 meter bands. These are really the "round the world" frequencies depending on the cooperation of the sun and atmosphere. The signals basically bounce off the ionosphere...

The 2 meter band covers short range HAM frequencies in the 1440 and 440 MHz UHF and VHF frequencies. These are mostly what you'll find HAMs on locally using repeaters to extend the range. These are typically 6-10 mile line of sight radios and that can be extended literally to infinity with the use of repeaters. But it's rare to get more than about 30 miles of useful range out of these bands especially with the 3.5-5 watt handheld radios.

There is even software you can download to monitor the HAM bands with your computer but of course that goes out the window with the internet going off grid.

The antenna is more important than the radio. Most people with no experience don't think about things this way. But a radio is worthless without an antenna...PERIOD! There are many many low cost home brew antennas that can serve providing you have a way to get it in the air high enough. But you have to understand resonance and how an antenna works. It's not rocket science and it's not hard but it does require some effort. But you'd be surprised what you can do with some common household materials and perhaps a little scrounging or small outlay of money at the homedepot. Again, this isn't how many people think but you can literally build a better antenna than you can buy...


So I can't answer your question really without more information because it's truly a very broad subject. You can buy a HAM transmitter of any kind without a license. The equipment doesn't require a license. Its a license to operate... I promise you can call any retailer and they will ship you a receiver/transmitter with no questions other than what's your address and how do you want to pay,

Also, most people without a HAM license who think in an emergency I'll just whip out my Handitalky and start blabbering away on the airwaves without a license or any experience doing it are deluded. It's not the regulations or authorities that will stop you. It's your total lack of experience doing it. Its not easy to get on the air and be heard...especially on 2 meters with modern day radios that require offsets, and codes, and a half dozen other settings to be heard on another radio or bouncing off a repeater. You'll spend days trying to figure out why nobody can hear you and why you can't trip the local repeater... Listening is a piece of cake. Transmitting is a whole nother ballgame.

For example...you might set up everything perfectly...offsets, codes, etc etc etc... You can hear people talking on a repeater from say 15 miles away. But when you key your handheld and transmit you get nothing. And I promise this happens all the time...and you scratch your head and can't figure out what's wrong....and it may never dawn on you. But that repeater might transmit on an antenna at the top of a very large building using a 100 watt transmitter. Your 5 watt hand talky isn't even close to reaching that far.... But you'd never know that from experience. Because you don't HAVE any operating experience.

What kind of space can you commit to setting up antennas? How high can you get them? My first HF antenna was a half wave dipole antenna for the 40 meter band....a long piece of wire strung up between two trees about 35 feet off the ground . And because of its resonant characteristics it could also work on the 20 meter band. I talked to people around the world for years with that antenna. Probably didn't cost me $15... You can cheaply make a j-pole antenna for the 2m band for pennies that you can haul straight up into a tree and be able to pick up all the UHF and VHF bands in the area...
“The 2 meter band covers short range HAM frequencies in the 1440 and 440 MHz UHF and VHF frequencies.”

2m - 144-148 MHz
1.25m 222-225 MHz
70cm - 420-440 MHz
 
144 is 2 meter VHF and 440 is 70cm UHF....very different bands. Many, but not all, radios are dual band.



Antenna type and height also play a big part in the range of UHF/VHF. I routinely talk simplex from Russell Spring, KY to Berea, KY running only 5 watts of power through a 4 element beam about 50ft above the ground....but from my truck using a full 65 watts through a 5/8 wave antenna , it aint happening.
Yeah...there are some pretty big mountains a little southeast of Berea and you can get out a long way on top of some of them. I often go hunting down there and have brought a few rigs with me when I'm there. You get down in the "holler" and you ain't gonna talk to anyone...LOL.

I'm in Louisville and have gotten as far as Lawrenceberg--about 70 miles. But it's using my older ICOM 706 on 50 watts and my dual band 1/4 wave ground plane antenna about 35 feet up and bouncing off a repeater.

Yeah yeah.. I know, 2 meter, 70cm etc. Just trying to be brief.
 
Yeah, it's only a $20K fine when those foxhunters find you and get the FCC Enforcement Bureau involved.
An extraordinarily rare event. A stroll down 80 or 40 meters reveals the same clowns who have been in violation for years with no repercussions.

2M and 440 are mostly self-policing. Nobody will talk to you without a valid call and it's pretty easy to get a license. A GMRS license doesn't require a test and it does most things that amatuer UHF does.

Like somebody else said, buy a used solid state HF transceiver off of ebay or Craigslist. Connect a longwire and you're in business. The tests are pretty easy these days if you get interested.
 
An extraordinarily rare event. A stroll down 80 or 40 meters reveals the same clowns who have been in violation for years with no repercussions.

2M and 440 are mostly self-policing. Nobody will talk to you without a valid call and it's pretty easy to get a license. A GMRS license doesn't require a test and it does most things that amatuer UHF does.

Like somebody else said, buy a used solid state HF transceiver off of ebay or Craigslist. Connect a longwire and you're in business. The tests are pretty easy these days if you get interested.
Not so rare on UHF/VHF. We have hunted down 6 individuals in our area in the last year alone...4 of them have already been hit with forfeitures, and the others are awaiting hearings.
 
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