I have a Keltec P3AT that a friend of mine gave me. It's a nice little pistol you can throw in your back pocket for a run to pick up milk. I doubt I have more than a couple hundred rounds through it but I don't remember having any malfunctions with it.

 

I have to guess that as far as what they are worth in the future looking at a Brown or Wilson will be not unlike looking at Detonics now.

 

Sorry Bruce but you're going to have to clarify that post for me a bit, been a long day.

 

And it will never ever be a Colt, or be worth anything 30-years down the line even though it might be made out of gold plated unobtaniums.

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I am not convinced that a Wilson or Brown 1911 will not be worth anything thirty years from now. Detonics from ~30 years ago seem to still hold value based on current prices. They no longer have factory support and no longer are state of the art, but seem to be solid, functional, and fairly easy to maintain. I know it is difficult to predict future gun values, but my thought is thirty years from now a current Wilson or Brown or Baer will probably not have the most current features and upgrades and it is possible than any of those makers may no longer be in business. But because they are well made based on current standards, as was the Detonics in its prime, my guess is they will hold value thirty years from now just as a Detonics is today.

 

Seriously, anyone buying a new production handgun in anticipation of it's value 30 years from now doesn't have a clue. While some guns may appreciate (more than the rate of inflation) it's not a good bet. Even antique firearms are a tricky "investment".
That said, good steel firearms do seem to do pretty well compared to plastic ones. What are people paying for Smith and Colt revolvers? Compared to the same age Glocks?

 

I agree purchasing a new gun as an investment is unwise at best and that even classic used guns are an investment long shot. I am sure that a Colt SAA or a Registered Magnum will appreciate over the next couple decades; how they will fare compared to traditional investments I wouldn't guess but it would also not be a cornerstone of my investments.

Agreed. I have a broad and deep knowledge on vintage guitars. The values are very, very fickle and follow a lot of trend. Sure, there are a handful of "classics" that tend to be more reliable, but even they have taken a severe dump in sale-value over the last couple of years.

The Japanese guitar collecting trend alone can dump the global value. I assume there are similar market conditions with firearms.

 

Agreed. I have a broad and deep knowledge on vintage guitars. The values are very, very fickle and follow a lot of trend. Sure, there are a handful of "classics" that tend to be more reliable, but even they have taken a severe dump in sale-value over the last couple of years.

The Japanese guitar collecting trend alone can dump the global value. I assume there are similar market conditions with firearms.

EXCEPT that there is no world-wide initiative to curb Japanese guitar sales and possession.

IMH economic O, while some weapons will increase value more than others, the general trend toward reducing access nationwide and worldwide will tend to drive up evaluation of existing weapons in the pipeline.

Add in the likelihood in the relatively near future of mandated smart gun tech, in some form, the the value of all "dumb" guns should do well.

Yeah, I am crystal ball gazing 20 years out. This won't help my meager collection's value today. Prob just as well, or the wife would want me to "capitalize on a bull market"....

 

Hey genius, check out my GB auctions. You haven't a clue what the hell you're referring to. Nobody's "duped" and nothing is inflated. I start auctions at a penny. I have the name recognition. Nobody knows who you are.

Here's just one example. You think I forced people to pay $3200+ for a 39-2? I bought it for under $600 just a couple years ago.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=550857209


Here's another that I recently bought for $500.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=550855879



Several of my auctions have been 3-500% profit. I've also doubled many and made considerably more on quite a few others.

I'm not trying to start a fight here but you should know you are obligated to list those guns as used. Your item description makes it sound like you considered listing them as new or NOS because they may be unfired.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.aspx?faqid=1164

I've been burned by it before as a srller so be careful. If you bought it retail it is used. Period.

 

Totally disagree with this, if it's new it's new.

 

As far as fnfalman, I think he just likes to mess with people or I hope so.

Damn Koreans.

 

As far as fnfalman, I think he just likes to mess with people or I hope so.

He likes messing with people and it's often funny. Others like to trash new Sigs. Others trash Keltec (cause they are trash). Some members flaunt their money, others their poverty. Other members enjoy cultivating and tending to their leg humpers. And on and on. It's what makes this place what it is.

 

You aptly described the dynamics of opinionated groups that's reflected in this forum. Most people already know how diverse groups operate, but I still get amused that some individuals get butt-hurt at irony, humor, satire and bad manners.

 

Yeah, it's not like the guns hadn't been used in two major world wars plus a whole bunch of other "conflicts". Obviously it doesn't have the military service of unenviable records like the various Glocks.

Only internet commandos would want a 1911 as a fighting tool in this day and age with better fighting tools available. That is my experience in law enforcement over the years. The guys that carry 1911's can't shoot worth a damn usually and like wearing all the tacticool gear even on their days off.

 

Huh?

I listed every single item as used, even those I believe are unfired. Did you look?

Every item is described very accurately with pictures to back it up. My auctions just do well. I just more than doubled my money on two auctions that ended today, in fact. [emoji41]

Yeah, I read it and saw you listed it used. I'm saying this sentence:

"This pistol appears to be unfired outside the factory, but I can’t confirm that and will list it as used."

Sounds like you considered listing as something other than used. I realize that may not have been what you meant.

I wanted to give you and others a heads up on the rule. Even if you could confirm the gun was never fired you have to list it used.

 

Nope. I realize that. I list everything as used. Been around guns my whole life.

My narratives are designed to draw out the maximum bid without stretching the truth.

 

Like I said, Colt had been in financial woes since the 1980s. They're still around.

If times are tough when you're shipping 100K rifles to the US government a year, you know you're certainly 100% ****ed when those sales suddenly drop down to zero. :upeyes:

 

They lost the M16A2 contract to FN and still survived. They lost the M4 carbine contract to FN. Still survived.

 

Ayep.'08.

 

OP here. I provided an update on my original post.

 

Cool [emoji41]

Congrats on your new Kimber.

 

Nice looking Raptor, congrats.

 

I've had great luck with the four Kimbers I've owned, they get dogged on quite a bit but to me that's great because it keeps the prices down a bit on the older ones. Congrats on the Raptor, I look forward to your impressions, good or bad. On the lower end models I've always tossed the stock mags in the junk drawer.

 

That's because Colt, Kimber and Springfield got their mags from the same joint. The mags look exactly the same with the exception of brand marking.