[GlockyQ]

Elsewhere (Question about the SIG P365 Micro Pistol) I posted about the light trigger pull weight of my P365, and the majority responses were “it should not be that light.” SIG CS told me that the readings on the trigger weight gauge can vary depending on what you use and how you use it. Very true. So continued checking, and here is an update.

I rented a well used P365 at my local indoor range and measured its trigger pull and my P365’s with the same Lyman gauge of mine right there. The rental gun’s trigger weight came out around 4LB 5oz (on average) and mine came out about 4LB 3oz (on average). So, they were about the same and they actually felt about the same while shooting them side by side. At least my Digital gauge seems “reliable” enough to give similar weight ratings for two guns that actually feel the same when used in the same manner…

However, I took the measurements without securing the guns but by simply holding it in one hand with the muzzle pressed on the table top and my gauge in the other pulling it with a angle like I was always doing it before…. Even though I used the gauge on both guns in the same manner, it was not the proper way to use the gauge.

So I decided to try it again in the right way or at least a bit more properly.
This time I inserted a slab of 3/4” x 1.5” wood fitted to the magazine well and securely held it in a vise…. I then pulled the trigger gauge horizontally. I took two sets of 5 measurements, and the average of each set came out 5LB 3.0oz and 5 LB 1.5oz respectively.

When properly measured, it was just a hair above 5LB, NOT around 4 LB as it read when I was measuring in a sloppy manner. I still do not know if this is about right or still too light because I do not know what SIG’s factory spec is….. It is possible that my digital gauge may be off, too….

That being said, the P365’s trigger (mine or the rental gun’s) definitely feels lighter than that of my G19 with the OEM 4.5 LB “-“ connector and NY-1 trigger spring or my G43 with an aftermarket 3.5 LB connector and NY-1 trigger spring. As a matter of fact, when I properly measured (as described above), the trigger weight of my G19 with the OEM “-“ connector and NY-1 spring came out 5 LB 15oz (average of 5 measurements) with a much longer take-up and post travel….

The bottomline is that the P365 has a noticeably shorter and lighter trigger pull than any Glock I have ever owned fired. It is also very smooth. One thing is for sure: You will NOT need any aftermarket part to make your P365 trigger lighter or smoother! I’m sure those who think Glock triggers suck would appreciate the stock trigger of P365.

Of course, whether you like the trigger or not is a different story, and it will largely depend on the personal taste and subjective perception of each shooter. Being used to the Glock trigger so much, my P365 feels too light for my liking. If SIG ever offers their version of NY-1 trigger spring equivalent, I would definitely buy it.

 

[cciman]

Most of the polymer striker fires that have recently been introduced have significantly "better" feeling triggers than stock Glock.

My Canik, Beretta APX, Walther PPQ, and 320 -- all have triggers that feel like custom, compared to all my Glocks (even ones with some trigger modding). The Walther and Canik triggers are beautiful. The ones equal to my Glock are Ruger, and S&W M&P. That's just the way it is.

 

[GlockyQ]

Most of the polymer striker fires that have recently been introduced have significantly "better" feeling triggers than stock Glock.

My Canik, Beretta APX, Walther PPQ, and 320 -- all have triggers that feel like custom, compared to all my Glocks (even ones with some trigger modding). The Walther and Canik triggers are beautiful. The ones equal to my Glock are Ruger, and S&W M&P. That's just the way it is.

Yes, it seems that way….
I don’t have any experience with other striker fired polymer frame pistols, except for Kahr P380, PM9 and S&W Shield Plus. Kahr’s trigger is longer but lighter and smoother than Glock’s. When I dry-fired a brand new S&W Shield Plus at LGS, it felt much like my P365 - noticeably lighter and shorter….
I did not really think stock Glock trigger was “bad,” but I now think it sucks (but NOT necessarily “too heavy”) and understand why many new Glock owners think that way.

 

[cciman]

Yes, it seems that way….
I don’t have any experience with other striker fired polymer frame pistols, except for Kahr P380, PM9 and S&W Shield Plus. Kahr’s trigger is longer but lighter and smoother than Glock’s. When I dry-fired a brand new S&W Shield Plus at LGS, it felt much like my P365 - noticeably lighter and shorter….
I did not really think stock Glock trigger was “bad,” but I now think it sucks (but NOT necessarily “too heavy”) and understand why many new Glock owners think that way.

You will be blown away by Canik, and Walther.

 

[Willard]

You should contact Wolff Springs. They probably have a set of springs to make your P365 trigger a little heavier/stiffer. And, their stuff is excellent quality!

 

[Sharkey]

I needed to clean my XL. I shot it last about six months ago. I clean it and reassemble and test it like I always do. It felt so light, I thought something broke. I go and get the laser aiming cartridge out and do a couple tests and it works as it should bit I still think it is too light and I carried a 1911 with a 4lb trigger job.

 

[Bluescot]

My son and I built a couple of 1911 Commanders in steel and worked on the sear a wee bit too much. It read at 1.6lbs and was very accurate and very dangerous. We replaced the sear and adjusted the weight down to 3lbs which we like for a shooter that is mostly a range gun.

What was interesting was that after replacing and polishing the sear we adjusted the overtravel to where it was minimal after the sear was released. That seems to aid in accuracy IMHO.

3lbs in obtainable in a 1911 series and is safe, IMHO, for a range type shooter with the trigger architecture that 1911s have. For other striker fired polymer shooters I like them in the 4-5 lb range especially if they are for EDC. Light triggers and ear protection are IMHO the keys to accurate placement.

 

[GlockyQ]

You will be blown away by Canik, and Walther.

I always heard that they have “really nice” triggers, but I’ve never tried them myself…. Do they have lighter triggers than Glock’s?
While I do NOT like the stock Glock trigger, I actually do not mind a 6LB trigger on a striker fired CCW, though. Rather, I do not like a light trigger (e.g., 4 LB - 4.5 LB pull) on my CCW. Also, I like a relatively long take-up, especially for my CCW. That’s why I love how the triggers on my Glocks with the OEM 4.5LB (or aftermarket 3.5LB) connector + NY-1 trigger spring feel because it gives me a firm take-up yet nice break.

 

[GlockyQ]

You should contact Wolff Springs. They probably have a set of springs to make your P365 trigger a little heavier/stiffer. And, their stuff is excellent quality!

Actually, I checked Wolff Gunsprings’ site as soon as I bought my P365 to see if they have any springs for it. But they have nothing for the P365.

 

[GlockyQ]

I needed to clean my XL. I shot it last about six months ago. I clean it and reassemble and test it like I always do. It felt so light, I thought something broke. I go and get the laser aiming cartridge out and do a couple tests and it works as it should bit I still think it is too light and I carried a 1911 with a 4lb trigger job.

Have you measured your XL’s trigger weight with any gauge?
Regardless of the numeric value shown on the gauge, I know for a fact that the trigger of my P365 is much lighter than that of my Glocks… And I also think it is a bit too light for my liking…

 

[LaneP]

I bought mine in the summer of 2019. Personally the trigger feels just right to me, not too heavy or too light.

 

[GlockyQ]

… . For other striker fired polymer shooters I like them in the 4-5 lb range especially if they are for EDC. Light triggers and ear protection are IMHO the keys to accurate placement.

I can agree that up to a certain point, “trigger pull weight” and the “accurate shot placement” negatively correlate - meaning that the lighter to pull weight, the higher the accuracy of shot placement…. However, when it comes to striker fired CCW, I would still like 5.5 LB - 6 LB pull. But that’s me. YMMV

 

[GlockyQ]

I bought mine in the summer of 2019. Personally the trigger feels just right to me, not too heavy or too light.

Have you measured it with a gauge? I’m curious what other people’s P365 is like….
Besides the P365 I rented, I have also dry-fired a couple of other P365 variants (both were rental guns). One (i.e., SAS) felt heavier (and grittier) than mine or the one I rented; but the other one (i.e., XL) felt even lighter than mine or the one I rented…. (I did not measure their triggers because I did not rent them.) Assuming that 5 LB 3 oz is the actual pull weight of mine, the trigger of the XL must be like 4.5 LB.

 

[Sharkey]

Have you measured your XL’s trigger weight with any gauge?
Regardless of the numeric value shown on the gauge, I know for a fact that the trigger of my P365 is much lighter than that of my Glocks… And I also think it is a bit too light for my liking…

I have not. I don't have a gauge. It felt spongy which made me think there was an issue. To be fair, I had shot some other things in btw the six months (CZ P07 in SA and RIA STK1000) so maybe I just wasn't use to the trigger pull of the XL.

 

[LaneP]

Have you measured it with a gauge? I’m curious what other people’s P365 is like….
Besides the P365 I rented, I have also dry-fired a couple of other P365 variants (both were rental guns). One (i.e., SAS) felt heavier (and grittier) than mine or the one I rented; but the other one (i.e., XL) felt even lighter than mine or the one I rented…. (I did not measure their triggers because I did not rent them.) Assuming that 5 LB 3 oz is the actual pull weight of mine, the trigger of the XL must be like 4.5 LB.

No I wish I had a gauge to do so but don't. I have put Apex sears and spring kits into two different M&P pistols I have, a 9 Shield and a .45, and as far as degree of effort to release the sear, the stock Sig P365 trigger feels comparable (maybe a tad heavier than the Apex). I would certainly not say it feels lighter.

 

[GlockyQ]

Thanks, Gents.
From what I can gather - by dry-firing a few other rental P365s and actually taking measurements of the trigger weight of one rental gun, as well as reading posts on SIGTalk Forums, I am concluding that the 5LB 3oz trigger of my P365 (as measured most recently in a proper manner) is perhaps more on the “lighter” side but not really “out of spec”… Of course, I can always send it back to SIG to find out if there is anything wrong with it; but I doubt there is anything wrong. It is still a new gun with only 1,940 rounds and it has been functioning reliably.

I guess I am just so used to the trigger of my Glocks with NY-1 spring and 4.5 LB (or 3.5 LB) connector that a lighter trigger of my P365 with a shorter take-up and little over-travel just “feels” even lighter than it actually is…

 

[hardluk1]

I can agree that up to a certain point, “trigger pull weight” and the “accurate shot placement” negatively correlate - meaning that the lighter to pull weight, the higher the accuracy of shot placement…. However, when it comes to striker fired CCW, I would still like 5.5 LB - 6 LB pull. But that’s me. YMMV

Your - But thats me - comment is from a lack is trigger time with different handguns .

You could always add the thumb safety parts to your p365 so its safer and spent time shooting it . Others have done this install at home . Go to the link below and the 2nd ,3rd and 4th item show are the parts needed . Notch your frame and be safe ! Link below -

Sig P365 Manual Safety Conversion Installation - YouTube

Not sure your "correct " way to check trigger pull weight correct useing a vise and block of wood . I use a lyman digital gauge and pulling where my wifes finger sitts durring a pull hers XL is 4lb 3 to 5 oz average . Nice trigger but my wie is use to a 3.5lb pull weight on her 1911 trigger that is not considered real light .

Your " proper manner " may only be right if your trigger gauge arm is pulling on that just right part of the trigger where a finger natural presses . Let it ride up an 1/8" pull weight goes up . Let it slide down and so does pull weight ??

Bottom line regardless of the pull weight is You stated it felt light when its rather normal to many of use . I learned to shoot with a colt huntsman that has a 2lb 2oz sa trigger . You use the thumb safety on it unless your shooting . My primary carry pistol is a 1911 commander with a 3lb 8oz pull weight and lack of over all movement may scare you .

You what ? Learn to shoot with a glock and thats all you know then you better stay with a glock OR spend so time with your P365 on the range . Might be by the time you fire a 400 rounds thru a p365 in one or two days you will things the trigger pull is just fine . The pistol I learned to shoot a with at 6 years of age is a colt huntsman and that trigger is light but unknown pull weight and it has a thumb safety . Todays that pull weight is 2lb and the movement is far less than my 1911 . Its also very reliable . I've used it to teach a number of friends to use a handguns but they were shooters just with a rifle or shotgun . MY GF before becoming my wife learn to shoot with that 22lr colt decades ago along with our daughters and all CC today .

Parts below if you want to add a thumb safety -
Sig Sauer P365, P365X & P365XL Parts (midwestgunworks.com)

 

[GlockyQ]

Your - But thats me - comment is from a lack is trigger time with different handguns .

You could always add the thumb safety parts to your p365 so its safer and spent time shooting it . Others have done this install at home . Go to the link below and the 2nd ,3rd and 4th item show are the parts needed . Notch your frame and be safe ! Link below -

Sig P365 Manual Safety Conversion Installation - YouTube

Not sure your "correct " way to check trigger pull weight correct useing a vise and block of wood . I use a lyman digital gauge and pulling where my wifes finger sitts durring a pull hers XL is 4lb 3 to 5 oz average . Nice trigger but my wie is use to a 3.5lb pull weight on her 1911 trigger that is not considered real light .

Your " proper manner " may only be right if your trigger gauge arm is pulling on that just right part of the trigger where a finger natural presses . Let it ride up an 1/8" pull weight goes up . Let it slide down and so does pull weight ??

Bottom line regardless of the pull weight is You stated it felt light when its rather normal to many of use . I learned to shoot with a colt huntsman that has a 2lb 2oz sa trigger . You use the thumb safety on it unless your shooting . My primary carry pistol is a 1911 commander with a 3lb 8oz pull weight and lack of over all movement may scare you .

You what ? Learn to shoot with a glock and thats all you know then you better stay with a glock OR spend so time with your P365 on the range . Might be by the time you fire a 400 rounds thru a p365 in one or two days you will things the trigger pull is just fine . The pistol I learned to shoot a with at 6 years of age is a colt huntsman and that trigger is light but unknown pull weight and it has a thumb safety . Todays that pull weight is 2lb and the movement is far less than my 1911 . Its also very reliable . I've used it to teach a number of friends to use a handguns but they were shooters just with a rifle or shotgun . MY GF before becoming my wife learn to shoot with that 22lr colt decades ago along with our daughters and all CC today .

Parts below if you want to add a thumb safety -
Sig Sauer P365, P365X & P365XL Parts (midwestgunworks.com)

FWIW,
My P365 has the manual safety; but the only reason that I chose it was that I thought my wife might like it.

Over the decades, I have had all of my formal defensive handgun training with either DA revolvers or Glock type pistols without a MS. Even when I was carrying my S&W 5906 and 3913 for a short while, I was carrying them with the safety off because the long heavy trigger of the first shot was a good enough safety. I‘m so used to training and practicing with guns without a MS that it is much easier for me to just ignore it is even there on my P365.

Keep in mind that different shooters develop different kinds of “preferred zones” for the trigger pull weight and other “pull characteristics” (e.g., take-up, break, over-travel, etc.) on their CCW based on their training and experience with different types of CC handguns. (We are not including BB guns or .22 LR pistols we shot as kids because they are not relevant here.) For some, it may be a light and short 4.5 LB trigger; for others it may be a slightly heavier 6 LB trigger…. For me it has been a 6 LB Glock trigger with “-“ connector and NY-1 spring for the last three decades since I started training with and carrying a Glock...

Of course, one can always make a naïve argument that you should train with all kinds of handguns with equally long trigger time so you will be proficient with all kinds of handguns. My approach to defensive handgun shooting (whether teaching or learning) is different because I’m not training myself or anyone to be a professional gunfighter who is expected to be able to shoot any handgun well.

With the wide variety of (equally) safe, reliable and accurate handguns available in the market today, ordinary LTC holders can easily pick a few that work well for them. Once they find the few that work well, they should train and practice with them because that would be more “cost-efficient” and practical. In that sense, I agree with your opinion - “better stick with what works for you.”

 

[Smith46wesson]

I would have to imagine the NYPD approved P365 has some sort of trigger mod to make it heavier. Perhaps someone here on the forum knows what that would be so you can replicate it. Maybe Sig will sell the parts?

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[LaneP]

I would have to imagine the NYPD approved P365 has some sort of trigger mod to make it heavier. Perhaps someone here on the forum knows what that would be so you can replicate it. Maybe Sig will sell the parts?

Sig Sauer W365-9-BXR3-NY P365 9mm Handgun with Night Sights - NYPD Approved

Outfitting America's Heroes - Atlantic Tactical is a premier supplier of Law Enforcement Uniforms and Equipment serving Law Enforcement for over 40 years.

www.atlantictactical.com

Ah, that would be the solution for anyone wanting more trigger pull weight. Stock pull is supposed to be about 5.5-6.5lbs, the NYPD model 8lbs. First I have heard of this mod.